Scylla sets are awesome, don't be hating. You just gotta wear it like you own it.
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Final Fantasy XIV |OT7| 1000 years DRAGONSONG War
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Scylla sets are awesome, don't be hating. You just gotta wear it like you own it.
It all kind of makes sense if you decide to be incredibly cynical and treat it as them slapping bard paint on a system CTRL-X+CTRL-V'd over from machinist. IIRC, attachments and switching were instant, but to add that bard aura you make it a song.
I'm relatively sure the core structure behind the Wanderer's songs is going to be sound, but as a fit for where it ended up... Eh.
Last I saw, Machinist still had the attachments and charge-shots it seemed like? Maybe it was an out of date blurb on the sheet.
Guess we just need to wait for a Bard to have been at the event. Seriously, where are these people when you need them.
Machinist still has attachments, but the only thing I've seen out of the event about them is that they jack up skill TP cost. When I commented on wanting to hear about attachments/charge times on the one guy's post, he just responded that he'd covered the attachment and Ammo systems.
Bards can't read or write. They're all singing angrily in France, probably.
I'll be the Lone Ranger after all.
Stabattack
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Has anything been said or shown on new gear stats? Like +5% to Jump or Shield Bash, etc
I already did garbage pail math for this and 25 wasn't the answer I saw. My spirit. She is broken.
Irony.
I thought you were going Machinist!?
Pellegri Testament
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We will likely never be getting these back unless they someday add tier sets.
That bard AF2 is calling me...
Altered Juice
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am i the only one who notice the Dark Knight kicking the monster in the job video from last week?
edit: guy that played heavensward posting about his experience and doing an AMAhttp://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/37e0kd/ama_about_my_final_fantasy_xiv_heavensward_handson/
here is an album of the item level 170 gear for every job. probably place holder but the female au ra share the same weapon poses as female midlander.
http://imgur.com/a/BsGYc#0
edit: guy that played heavensward posting about his experience and doing an AMAhttp://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/37e0kd/ama_about_my_final_fantasy_xiv_heavensward_handson/
here is an album of the item level 170 gear for every job. probably place holder but the female au ra share the same weapon poses as female midlander.
http://imgur.com/a/BsGYc#0
Fair point. It'll look especially awesome when you chop your legs off so you move less so that you do less damage than if you had auto attacks yoship why am i crying please make it stop.
Need to see on fem roes before I get too excited.
It'll probably look like trash like 90% of casting gear does on them
PAY TO WIN PAY TO WIN ABANDON SHIP
Wonder if it'll work like Blade & Soul where the players who lose the auction get gil.
I honestly wouldn't worry about the damage part of it? There's really no way using it would be net negative. That can be tweaked. The main focus should really be on how awful it feels to actually use the new stances.
Pellegri Testament
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It was said that the gil from the winning auction will be split between the party.
That's awesome, really liked that system in B&S. Would still prefer Need & Greed or Lootmaster for most stuff. Nice to have the option though, should make for some interesting groups.
Wow. That... Sounds like garbage. Doesn't even sound like they bothered to do the maths.
Time to become a machinist.
It seems like the advantage of the turret songs is going to be the skills locked exclusively to them--Sidewinder and whatever else. Make the potency high enough on those and the stances pull ahead easily since they're roughly in the ballpark without. But without details, we can't really run numbers.
It does make me wonder where Bard will end up DPS-wise; a lot is made out of how easy bard is compared to other DPS classes and that's fair, but bard also has a much, much lower DPS ceiling than anybody else. Even the most insane bard numbers I've seen are... like... 'passable' melee numbers at best. With some much bigger potency buff, Minuet might justify letting a bard turret, but unless the bonus skills are... crazy good or there's a massive rebalance of bard weapon damage bard is still going to end up DPS low-man. Probably with Machinist.
For what it's worth, Bard auto-attacks are not like ... 30%+ of their DPS? Even without oGCDs, just having a few high potency shots added in can be enough to offset it. There's a lot of room for it to work out, really, without it being a huge buff. Though, well, it'd be nice if it was...
Besides that, they could just ... give you back that missing Weapon Damage too!
Edit: goddamnit? goddamnit.
Besides that, they could just ... give you back that missing Weapon Damage too!
Edit: goddamnit? goddamnit.
I'll check it out at E3 bro. Don't worry.
PhillipCostigan
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Dragged the group kicking and screaming into Savage T6 today
By the end we were laughing and having so much fun people can't wait to run on Thursday.
Mission success?
By the end we were laughing and having so much fun people can't wait to run on Thursday.
Mission success?
If you want, you can time the casts yourself based off the video: They're not 2.5s cast times. Bloodletter weaving shouldn't really be an issue.
Barrage seems to just modify the next ability used based off the video.
Edit: That said, lack of real information is unfortunate. I'm just going to stick with I wouldn't worry too much on it being "better" than now or not. The question is more where they want the DPS ceiling (e.g., equivalent to melee? still below melee?) and then whether or not it's an enjoyable gameplay pattern.
AlphaDragoon
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The DPS is the cause of the actual issue for me. I'm basically worried about this:
If the stance is a minimal dps increase Bards will be expected to use it all the time, essentially changing our class into a caster class for no reason. If it's a DPS nerf, no one uses it and Bard essentially gets no new abilities.
It just sounds... boring to me.
Of course this is all still speculation but that's all we have to go on so.
My point is raw numbers are the easiest thing to fix. "Oh, we expected them to be at Y DPS, boost the buff% / potencies to adjust it." It's literally the easiest thing to alter.
Yes that's definitely true, but the question is will they change it. I love what the dev team has done with this game but let's be honest a lot of the intricacies of the jobs seem to be a bit of a mystery to them, simply by virtue of having to spend most of their time actually making the game.
First they have to actually get the feedback from the community, then there's the added time before realising if they are right or not, then divide that by the "Bard's have it too easy" factor and voilà it get's fixed a year after release. They may also just look at the end result and say "well you have 1.5% extra dps what's the problem" because they wanted to change Bard to caster all along.
I'm being totally over the top here just for the sake of it btw. I'm looking forward to everything else including the other jobs.
theSlacker
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That sounds terrible.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Are the loot options chosen at random or will the different roulette's have options for what kind of looting options you want when placed into a group?
What makes you say that?
Guessing the roulette loot rules will remain unchanged as they are now and the new loot rules will be for premade groups only.
Take me with you.
I'm sure it'll be fine, but I worry when they basically revamp the class from the ground up when it wasn't broken. I'm sure it'll be fine. It has to be fine. It better be fine. Yoship the tears won't stop.
Find out what the fuck they're doing to Ninja while you're there.
stop trying to make me feel better.
I guess we're technically agreeing here, then? I'm saying to focus more on those parts of the change. The why did they change it, what's the end goal of the radical redesign to how the class works, is this a good gameplay pattern to enforce, etc.
The "will it be good result wise" isn't really a big deal question imo since that's really just numbers to tweak.
theSlacker
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If it is optional, and not the default of party finders or roulettes, it's fine. If it is the new default though then why wouldn't anyone just bid up to the max you can sell the item for on vanity items/pets, or just bid up items that you know others are running the instance for, knowing they will go higher. I really can't see a positive of the system.
There's no way the auction system would be the default. You have to keep in mind that people would be bidding on items that cannot be traded on the marketboard as well. People driving up the price is a tactic that was used in Blade & Soul. You have to stop yourself and ask how much it's really worth at some point. Let someone drive the price up and stop outbidding them, take their money.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Makes sense. If they implemented the bidding thing in roulette I imagine it would be the source of much rage.
You guys get to manifest your hidden "this guy is a scrub" thoughts into a physical representation.
theSlacker
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Is it really worth the hassle though? Like I can't see a way that that loot system isn't just something to accommodate and encourage jerks. Like what exactly is the upside to it? I can't even imagine how much more terrible it would have been if this system was in place when I was endlessly running some instances to get specific pieces of armor.
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tiggerkiddo
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Time to get GLD up to 34 for Awareness and never touch it again.
theSlacker
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Well, you brought up vanity/pets but in the vein of reselling it which doesn't really apply for things it'll most likely be used for, though your other bit about raising the price is the same thing I was getting at anyway I guess. It's entirely about a greed system, really? I mean, I agree it's kind of a silly thing but I'm just thinking of it as a means to get a profit on things you don't care about really. I wouldn't ever buy anything but I'd sit in on runs that people do.
On that note, I can't imagine it really working out long-term? It's really just an early thing for those kind of drops most likely? I dunno.
theSlacker
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Guess that's why I'm not really feeling it. I wouldn't want to be forced to bid up/out bid friends for things we all really want and would just rather leave it up to random roll more then I would want to make da moneys.
You guys have pointed out ways that people would use the system though so even if it's not something that I would like I can at least see a use for that loot system. Thanks.
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