It's not a magic. It's AOE targeting to trigger super team attack.
Final Fantasy XV Episode Duscae 2.0 |OT| This is a fantasy based on feedback.
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It's not a magic. It's AOE targeting to trigger super team attack.
This is what we had back in last September.
This is what we have now
...You do realize he's swapping weapons in the first gif, right? GG..........
ignoring starter and finisher weapon change, it still applies.
FalsettoVibe
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Looks cool.
Yea that would be one of the good option. Right now the only thing is forcing finisher but it's not enough. Also different movesets for different directional input with left stick would be nice.
The three slashes with the short sword are still different from the animations in the demo.
Considering the gif -was- from a fully functional build, I think it's relatively safe to hypothesize that it's akin to a higher level ability/combo/weapon/whatever considering it's more flashy. The lance finisher on the other hand is exactly as in the demo.
Good thing that sort of stuff comes toward the end of development - the polishing stage that is. They still have over a year to go.
Delaying it past that timeframe is something they definitely do not want to do.
This is what we had back in last September.
This is what we have now
Exactly this. The combo strings are much slower now and there's a more pronounced hitstop. A bit too much.
It could also be a permanent change across all weapons, considering they added a more pronounced hitstop since JF 2015 and had an actual battle UI since then.
This is what we had back in last September.
This is what we have now
I'm sure it has something to do with Noctis's current level and attributes. I certainly do not hope that the game is as slow as it is in Episode Duscae for the rest of the game. There are way too many contact pauses in that second GIF.
If its anything like Kingdom Hearts, you will only get faster attacks with less endlag and more combo options at higher levels.
KH2 early-game combo is pretty much as sluggish as the second gif, but endgame-level combos are much faster than the first gif
DarkLordMalik
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Hopefully they are done polishing the game by then because I certainly don't want to play an unpolished and rushed game to met the deadline.
Are you saying that the combat is dumbed down now, because.... come on.
This is what we had back in last September.
This is what we have now
In case you forgot, Tabata had already revealed that the tech demo had a very OP Noctis. Heck they had some nice team moves that we never get to see in the demo.
Death Penalty
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This is what we had back in last September.
This is what we have now
Are these gifs not in real time or has Noctis' speed in combat been drastically and unfortunately reduced since then?
DarkLordMalik
Member
I am quite sure the speed at which Noctis attacks enemies also depends on his state. The other GIF shows an OP Noctis who is faster and more agile.
This is what we have now
I just like to point out how amazing the horizon looks.
inb4SDgrass
That Dude John
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well, you get that hitstop on every hit when you get the enemy in that "weak" state. I actually don't mind that tbh.
Yeah the major thing that botherered me from the first version was that the shadows for the grass and plants radius was too small such that you could easily see them popping in in front of you.
It feels much heavier than the 1.0 demo to me, but it might just be my memory. The fact that it's still far from perfect just shows how stupid it was in 1.0, if I'm right. Noctis was swinging that shit like it was nothing.
They should look at Souls to see how you do big ass weapons right.
The pronounced hitstop is only for critical hits, the enemy was knocked down, you can see it ends torwards the end of the gif.
The first .gif is clearly in real time. We saw similar movements during the TGS 2014 live gameplay as well.
We just have no idea if/when and how it gets to that speed in the final game.
There's also a hitstop for the Vanquish finisher move.
I was just saying how the hitstop makes it look slow.
This is what we had back in last September.
This is what we have now
You mean the attack speed? I believe Noctis may become faster and faster as you level up in the final game. Remember, Tabata made clear that the characters were "high level" during those demonstrations.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Bro - this should be your avatar.
Also quite crazy since several people on here have said my avatar looks like a real world ned flanders.
My concern as well. Probably my biggest complaint or at least equal with the framerate problems.
Dark_castle
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This is what we had back in last September.
This is what we have now
I think in the September one, Noctis had Phantom Swords on, while the other one is off. But it definitely feels jarring in Noctis's attack animations, which is bizarre because the game has very detailed animations in general. But when it comes to how Noctis handles his weapons in battle, everything doesn't feel right.
As I said earlier, hold button to attack indefinitely needs to go IMO. The combat in general needs to be very smooth and feels good and punchy. Right now, it's really lacking in that department. In KH2FM, every hit Sora makes felt like it had a right amount of impact yet doesn't feel too slow. They need to find that balance.
Also I just discovered one thing that's been troubling me. When Noctis uses his swords or daggers, it doesn't feel like they are slashing/cutting the enemies. More like hitting. Hitting enemies with a club or a stick.
It's also possible that they may have over-animated Noctis's attack animations. I know they want them to be grounded, realistic and detailed, but it only serves to make the combat feel slow and janky, especially when surrounded by multiple foes. All of these adds up and make the whole thing leaving much to be desired.
The footage is from October. *snark*
Also, the Armiger is not on for that part. You can tell because there aren't any Phantom Swords stabbing through that Niflheim knight.
MultiJhonny
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I wonder if after beating the Behemoth again if there is a new tease at the end or something added on. I bet if anything it would be slight, but I am genuinely curious.
People shits on it so much, but i actually love and look forward to that aspect of the game a lot.
They're actually letting people discover 2.0 for themselves. This is a good thing.
Yup, me too!
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Random note: I just found out why the name "Tabata" seemed so familiar to me when I first heard of him last year, haha. There's Tabata-training in my workout plan. 4 minutes - exercise for 20 seconds then rest for 10 seconds, and repeat 8 times.
Based on the trailer the lock on mechanics are the same, they just put a notice above your HP bar letting you know to click R3 to lock on, as opposed to the original demo where the only way to find out about that was to check the controls in the menu.
I am not talking about the speed. Hell I am not even talking about that stupid hit-stop. I am talking about the difference in animation. The current attack animation on that gif look stupid and un-impactful. It just looks like Noctis is dancing forward.
Unless higher level/stronger Noctis gets completely different animation (again, it's not about the speed), the level is irrelevant.
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This is what we had back in last September.
This is what we have now
Wouldn't this be explained by level differences? (increasing attack speed and fancier attacks/ weapons) It is an RPG after all
I don't see what the big difference is
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I really like this extreme blend of our reality and fantasy. You could see it as a parallel universe, hehe.
Icyflamez96
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In that second gif... I thought they removed a lot of that hitstun? Or was there even more before?
The hitstun is still there when enemies are in a weakened/staggered state
There's not a lot of hitstun there. They did remove a lot of it. It's only for critical damage and the Vanquish finisher.
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