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Thats easily the worst character design change Ive seen, surprised they never made that design dlc.

I agree, it was a terrible decision, but one we didn't have a chance to react negatively about because we never got to know about it.

Even when Stella was still alive and well, people still hated the design changes for the 2013 trailer (myself included). Kagari Stella will forever be the best Stella/Luna design. But usually we would only get to know 2013 Stella, if even that, because the game was just way too early to be shown.
 
Will all th FFXV shenanigans i hope FF7 Remake becomes the game Versus13 was supposed to be

We are gonna see changes from the original FF7 game for sure, some very dramatic that will likely cause kerfuffles with the purists(although to be fair, just having voices is already gonna be a dramatic change).

But i'm okay with that as long as Nomura's vision is preserved and we get the game in a reasonable timeframe.
 
1. Exactly, it's just sitting in a chair and that's also my problem with it. I mean, if you want me to believe that your character is strong and independet, let them do something significant and show me that instead of a pretty character model.

2. Seems like a nice opportunity to actually show that Luna is independent and not afraid to stand up for her beliefs. I mean, yeah, I get the point: They want to juxtapose Luna's and Noctis's upbringing, but that's not how you introduce a strong character.

I just have a hard time believing that Luna is this incredibly strong person that Tabata wants us to believe she is from what they've shown so far. Surely there must be a better way to introduce her to us instead of those two scenes.
Quoting myself from back when they finally came clean about Luna months ago:
If Luna's putting her hands in front of her chest is already enough evidence for her not being as strong a woman, then you could say the same about the 2009 Stella that moved and behaved like your typical anime girl in the trailer where she talks with Noctis at the party. Granted, I haven't actually read again completely what she says in that video, but Luna is judged by some here based only on gestures and body language from a few seconds of footage, too.
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Now look at this:
She looks serious and determined. Luna = strong woman confirmed!!!

Chill and wait until we see more.

PS: Listen to Falk.


Besides, don't forget that it was still Nomura who radically - and for the worse - changed Stella for the E3 '13 re-reveal! She suddenly didn't look that "strong" anymore. did she?
 
I was all in when we were upset about the trailer, airships DLC and the 65% complete comments but the flipping out over Luna is a bit premature without better context and seeing more
 
Besides, don't forget that it was still Nomura who radically - and for the worse - changed Stella for the E3 '13 re-reveal! She suddenly didn't look that "strong" anymore. did she?

They rebooted it in 2013, so yeah it wasnt going to be the Versus Stella. But to be fair, the interpretation of the character herself was still "Stella" based on that. We only saw that model in 2013, so her direction will forever be a mystery, but it was still not a completely different character that Tabata came up with.
 
Can someone with sense explain to me why Nomura's Vision is so holy to people? He has literally only directed the Kingdom Hearts series to completion, and that ain't no great shakes, guys. It's almost the same projecting people do with Stella.
 
Well, that's a huge downgrade from the Versus XIII trailers Stella IMO. Nomura is my favorite producer and character design, I really love his art, but I don't know what he was thinking when he decided to redesign her.

"She needs something, I know more zippers......wait no"

And not only Stella Noctis has gone over several redesigns.
 
I'm really getting tired of Tabata's reasoning for all these changes....

Basically there are 0 reasons for him to be taking out characters or let alone making clones of the same character with a different name to replace the old one. He is self inserting himself so hard in this game that it should be considered borderline rape. If the new trailer isn't proof enough of his self-inserting, anything to do with Luna/Stella is.


I miss Nomura's vision of this game... That's the game I wanted. ._.

jesus christ get a grip
 
So I haven't had a chance to watch the ATR...did Tabata seriously say Versus XIII was a mistake and "nothing but trash"? What was the context? That seems like an insanely derogatory statement to make about the efforts of a coworker.
 
Can someone with sense explain to me why Nomura's Vision is so holy to people? He has literally only directed the Kingdom Hearts series to completion, and that ain't no great shakes, guys. It's almost the same projecting people do with Stella.

Nomura's vision is the reason why this project exists in the first place. It was also something radically different compared to what FF usually is.
 
Can someone with sense explain to me why Nomura's Vision is so holy to people? He has literally only directed the Kingdom Hearts series to completion, and that ain't no great shakes, guys. It's almost the same projecting people do with Stella.

Yup, exactly what I've always been thinking (if you mean story when saying "vision") no matter how hyped and excited I was for Versus. I still adore his original vision in regards to the setting and some of the premises, but I never expected much of the story after his track record as a writer.
 
Probably "aww fuck this shit"

I actually found out why:

“When I created Stella, back in 2007, I actually created something that is not my type of character,” Nomura said, “but obviously time has passed since then, about six years now, and then she actually became something that I quite like now.”
Read more at http://gematsu.com/2013/07/nomura-t...-hearts-iii-at-japan-expo#wxe0u0RQtqFE2Bvp.99

Can someone with sense explain to me why Nomura's Vision is so holy to people? He has literally only directed the Kingdom Hearts series to completion, and that ain't no great shakes, guys. It's almost the same projecting people do with Stella.

But let's be real here, Nomura wouldn't fuck up the story like he did with the KH series. The problem with KH is that the story became too convoluted.


Edit:

Thanks, I actually found this interview too =p
 
So I haven't had a chance to watch the ATR...did Tabata seriously say Versus XIII was a mistake and "nothing but trash"? What was the context? That seems like an insanely derogatory statement to make about the efforts of a coworker.

He said that because it was a huge waste of time and money, and he also said Nomura should be fired. He also really hates remakes, and thinks FFVIIR shouldn't be done.
 
Can someone with sense explain to me why Nomura's Vision is so holy to people? He has literally only directed the Kingdom Hearts series to completion, and that ain't no great shakes, guys. It's almost the same projecting people do with Stella.

Because a lot of people were interesting in Versus because it was Nomura's game. The (unfulfilled) vision he laid out, the design, atmosphere, kingdom hearts-esque battle system. These are things made people excited for Versus and had people waiting all these years. After waiting 9 years, they say a lot of things have changed since then.
 
So I haven't had a chance to watch the ATR...did Tabata seriously say Versus XIII was a mistake and "nothing but trash"? What was the context? That seems like an insanely derogatory statement to make about the efforts of a coworker.
It's an internet meme. He didn't say that. Google "Anime was a mistake. It's nothing but trash".
 
What did he lie about?

Generally he would not change Versus XIII elements of XV. But story changes, character changes, and
combat changes have all gone through pretty drastically.

The only thing he would do is touch up the combat and remove character switching.

He said Adamantoise would be in Duscae demo then he retracted that statement claiming it was a translation error.

He said Driving would be in Duscae demo he retracted that statement, it never happened.

They stayed silent about the fact that Stella had been removed for almost a half year.

Changed most of the early scenario and told us "it was for the better" same with Stella, but you wouldn't know because our idea of better is subjective, so more or less PR.

He said the game could jump from 55% to 80% really quickly when that's just BS. Today we are at 65% and he said that months ago.

The whole Nojima thing how he sent them a letter in ATR saying the Versus story was just a blueprint when we already know the games story was already finished Tabata only needed some type of proof to say it was just a concept when in reality we don't even know if Nojima wrote that letter, hell a video would have been more convincing.

He said he has basically directing since 2012 when we know that's not the case because the game we saw in 2013 that nomura presented as FFXV is not the same FFXV we have today.

You can say FFXV isn't versus but it sure as hell isn't FFXV 2013's version either.
 
Can someone with sense explain to me why Nomura's Vision is so holy to people? He has literally only directed the Kingdom Hearts series to completion, and that ain't no great shakes, guys. It's almost the same projecting people do with Stella.

I don't understand the Nomura worship either, TBH.

To me the real GOATs of FF are Sakaguchi (#1 forever), Kitase, and Ito.

Yoshi-P looks like a genius too with how he saved FFXIV.

But Nomura?? I don't get it. And FFVII is my GOAT game and Sephiroth is my favorite character/design ever.
 
I think we can all agree that these ATRs are doing more damage then help. I appreciate that they are trying to keep us informed, but they really should just keep their mouths shut. After Nomura's departure, they should have been more upfront and just said it's a reboot that borrows from Nomura's vision.
 
The backlash would be catastrophic.

In any case, VIIR should be it's own thing.

If VII Remake gets transformed into something Versus XIII supposed to be we will have an even bigger meltdown.

I doubt Nomura going to change the battle system that much from turn based to action.

We are gonna see changes from the original FF7 game for sure, some very dramatic that will likely cause kerfuffles with the purists(although to be fair, just having voices is already gonna be a dramatic change).

But i'm okay with that as long as Nomura's vision is preserved and we get the game in a reasonable timeframe.

Purist fan tears would be frozen into a disc and the games data be written onto them which I would then put into my PS4 to play a game I've literally been wanting since 2002.

EDIT: Actually 1998 when I couldnt figure out how to block or dodge attacks the first time i played FF7
 
Can someone with sense explain to me why Nomura's Vision is so holy to people? He has literally only directed the Kingdom Hearts series to completion, and that ain't no great shakes, guys. It's almost the same projecting people do with Stella.

Because this was his game, along with Nojima's. The entire reason i was even interested in Versus was because of the way it looked when it was under his supervision, it was very appealing. I don't know what development trouble the project has gone through in its decade of development, but its definitely not what i saw in it then.

Also, let's get away from the downplaying of Nomura's accomplishments. He was very involved with the conceptualization of many of the games he's had a hand in. Just because he has not directed much means very little.
 
Generally he would not change Versus XIII elements of XV. But story changes, character changes, and
combat changes have all gone through pretty drastically.

The only thing he would do is touch up the combat and remove character switching.

He said Adamantoise would be in Duscae demo then he retracted that statement claiming it was a translation error.

He said Driving would be in Duscae demo he retracted that statement, it never happened.

They stayed silent about the fact that Stella had been removed for almost a half year.

Changed most of the early scenario and told us "it was for the better" same with Stella, but you wouldn't know because our idea of better is subjective, so more or less PR.

He said the game could jump from 55% to 80% really quickly when that's just BS. Today we are at 65% and he said that months ago.

The whole Nojima thing how he sent them a letter in ATR saying the Versus story was just a blueprint when we already know the games story was already finished Tabata only needed some type of proof to say it was just a concept when in reality we don't even know if Nojima wrote that letter, hell a video would have been more convincing.
You need to go outside and take a walk.
 
Good to know that we won't have to wait for the game to come out before the "well, Nomura wouldn't have let this happen!" sentiment to take hold.
 
Are you sure they were just meant to be friends? That's actually news to me.
It was a while back. You don't if you choose not to believe me, i can understand(I'm not going to search through the interviews and interviews just to find it), but I recall Nomura saying love, in the traditional sense(as in romantic, "Eyes on Me"-styled love), was not going to be an important theme in Versus. Other "types" were, though, including the love between family members and the love shared between comrades/close friends. I think I even recall Nomura saying Stella was NOT Noctis's love interest, though again, I don't recall where and when it was. The longer this fuckin' development cycle has stretched out, the more hard and annoying it is to search for articles to cite. How I wish this game would've just had a somewhat "normal" dev cycle.

But to throw in some theories(my own, of course), it makes sense, even with Tabata's "changes". For one, Versus(and XV up until recent, though we still don't know) has been influenced by the "mafia" culture. Mafia, who tend to act as "families" of power, not unlike royalty. Families would suggest familial love(love between those related to each other), and Noctis and his friends would suggest not only friendship, but a type of brotherly love.

Now Stella? If there are two things that could bind both she and Luna, it's their childhood relations to Noctis. In the earlier trailer(back when Nomura confirmed Stella to still be in XV), we see the girl running with Noctis(as a child). Stella was likely to still be Noctis's childhood friend, which would've made their "reunion" the gallery party the first time they've seen each other since childhood(if we are lead to believe that, of course). That still draws upon a close love through friendship, as childhood friends tend to be the most cherished of friends. Noctis and Stella are still friends, but the friendship Noctis has with her is different from that he has with his bros, yet doesn't resort to the tired, "I'm a guy, you're a girl, let's get together!" just for the sake of romance. I think Nomura wanted something more special and intimate, shared between two friends that went WAY back(before Noctis even became good friends with his broskis) and the drama that comes with the fact that he(Noctis) has to be pitted against his childhood friend(Stella), through twist of fate. It's no reason Nomura wanted to invoke the tears with HIS story. And we know Luna is similar(childhood friend), but it looks like, unlike Stella, she might have a closer relationship with Noctis(romantic, and more frequently engaging, as it seems like they are more familiar with their "adult" counterparts and kept in touch, unlike Stella). That's just a MY theory and nothing more.
 
Oh and btw if anyone missed out on this, Wan is like MIA now.

Once again you can say XV is not Versus XIII. But XV now is not the XV they showed in 2013.

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Can someone with sense explain to me why Nomura's Vision is so holy to people? He has literally only directed the Kingdom Hearts series to completion, and that ain't no great shakes, guys. It's almost the same projecting people do with Stella.

The idea that Nomura was making a mainline Final Fantasy, to me at least, sounded amazing, everything he said in interview sounded exactly what the series needed, a serious creative shake up. Unfortunately, his visions for FFvsXIII/FFXV were, potentially, too grand, coupled by how much of a perfectionist he is, it's like the game he wanted to make was destined to be in development hell.

There was an ambition with Nomura's original ideas. The current FFXV doesn't hold that same gravity. It's not some Nomura-cult, it's just versus XIII looked so promising after the disapointment of FFXIII. Fans were banking on Nomura to make a true Final Fantasy game where FFXIII failed.

Edit: I'm not saying FFXV won't be amazing in it's own right, I'm saying that their so called "marketing push" is terrible. I get it, the trailer is supposed to show more of the early story, but that's not what fans who have been following the game for 9 years want. They want some action, they want to see results, patience is drying fast. Showing us that trailer just backfired, had it been mixed with actualy new gameplay and locations (not just Malboro killing Noctis) I think the backlash would have been less severe.
 
Oh good lord this Stella thing is still going on?

Luna's supposed changes from when she was known as Stella is just a proxy for people's dissatisfaction with the game's current state and what we've seen of it versus the expectation of the original game.

Its in a very rough state, and we don't even know when we can expect it after so long.
 
Well it's been fun (the thread, not the situation of FFXV) but I gotta go.

For my fellow Stella fans I leave you with this awesome fanart that I just found:
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Source
We'll never get a Dissidia game or Theatrhythm game with a playable Stella... or Noctis if the development continues like this.
 
It was a while back. You don't if you choose not to believe me, i can understand(I'm not going to search through the interviews and interviews just to find it), but I recall Nomura saying love, in the traditional sense(as in romantic, "Eyes on Me"-styled love), was not going to be an important theme in Versus. Other "types" were, though, including the love between family members and the love shared between comrades/close friends. I think I even recall Nomura saying Stella was NOT Noctis's love interest, though again, I don't recall where and when it was. The longer this fuckin' development cycle has stretched out, the more hard and annoying it is to search for articles to cite. How I wish this game would've just had a somewhat "normal" dev cycle.

But to throw in some theories(my own, of course), it makes sense, even with Tabata's "changes". For one, Versus(and XV up until recent, though we still don't know) has been influenced by the "mafia" culture. Mafia, who tend to act as "families" of power, not unlike royalty. Families would suggest familial love(love between those related to each other), and Noctis and his friends would suggest not only friendship, but a type of brotherly love.

Now Stella? If there are two things that could bind both she and Luna, it's their childhood relations to Noctis. In the earlier trailer(back when Nomura confirmed Stella to still be in XV), we see the girl running with Noctis(as a child). Stella was likely to still be Noctis's childhood friend, which would've made their "reunion" the gallery party the first time they've seen each other since childhood(if we are lead to believe that, of course). That still draws upon a close love through friendship, as childhood friends tend to be the most cherished of friends. Noctis and Stella are still friends, but the friendship Noctis has with her is different from that he has with his bros, yet doesn't resort to the tired, "I'm a guy, you're a girl, let's get together!" just for the sake of romance. I think Nomura wanted something more special and intimate, shared between two friends that went WAY back(before Noctis even became good friends with his broskis) and the drama that comes with the fact that he(Noctis) has to be pitted against his childhood friend(Stella), through twist of fate. It's no reason Nomura wanted to invoke the tears with HIS story. And we know Luna is similar(childhood friend), but it looks like, unlike Stella, she might have a closer relationship with Noctis(romantic, and more frequently engaging, as it seems like they are more familiar with their "adult" counterparts and kept in touch, unlike Stella). That's just a MY theory and nothing more.

But didn't they talk in the party scene as if they weren't as close as the E3 2013 trailer indicated? That might already be a story change, that they were childhood friends. As you said, the long cycle makes it hard to remember clearly, but I'm fairly sure their dialogue in the party talked about the light in a way that didn't make it seem like they know each other very closely.

Though now that you mention it, I don't think I can recall actual statements that they were lovers, so you're right about that.
 
Oh and btw if anyone missed out on this, Wan is like MIA now.

Once again you can say XV is not Versus XIII. But XV now is not the XV they showed in 2013.

That quote also implies that Noruma's Versus could be something similar to the current XV you know that right? He outright said that things changes all the time even when Noruma was in charge and we know very little of what his 'vision' actually is.
 
Nomura basically said the old Stella design was a mistake, it's nothing but trash.

Wasn't the "old Stella" the one most of the Stella fans loved the most. Even Nomura's kickin' them while they're down. Ouch!

But didn't they talk in the party scene as if they weren't as close as the E3 2013 trailer indicated? That might already be a story change, that they were childhood friends. As you said, the long cycle makes it hard to remember clearly, but I'm fairly sure their dialogue in the party talked about the light in a way that didn't make it seem like they know each other very closely.

Though now that you mention it, I don't think I can recall actual statements that they were lovers, so you're right about that.
They could've talked, yeah. See, all the crap going on with this ATR and all these years have made me forget. At first, when Noctis sees Stella, he is kinda smitten and seems like he doesn't recognize her. I think(my personal theory), if they hadn't changed that scene(or tweak it) while Nomura was still heading the project, he would've saw her and not recognize her, but is drawn to her nonetheless. It's that old familiar sense. After talking, the two realize who each other are(or maybe Stella knows how Noctis is and leads him on playfully). They pick up where they left off and reconnect as close friends do. To me, that would make the events to occur afterwards somewhat tragic. Two childhood friends reunited only to be forced into a dire situation of pain and death.

What I DO remember regarding Versus was Nomura clearly stated one of the main themes of the game was "pain" and "loss". Losing your kingdom, losing loved ones and the pain experienced that comes with losing those close to you. THAT made me interested in Nomura's vision. Hell, I think that was what made me MOST interested in Versus, the concept of THAT, more so that the art direction(which i wasn't a fan of at the time) and such.
 
Wasn't the "old Stella" the one most of the Stella fans loved the most. Even Nomura's kickin' them while they're down. Ouch!


Stop with the overacting. All we know about Stella from 2013 was that her model changed. And then she was no more.
 
Now Stella? If there are two things that could bind both she and Luna, it's their childhood relations to Noctis. In the earlier trailer(back when Nomura confirmed Stella to still be in XV), we see the girl running with Noctis(as a child). Stella was likely to still be Noctis's childhood friend, which would've made their "reunion" the gallery party the first time they've seen each other since childhood(if we are lead to believe that, of course). That still draws upon a close love through friendship, as childhood friends tend to be the most cherished of friends. Noctis and Stella are still friends, but the friendship Noctis has with her is different from that he has with his bros, yet doesn't resort to the tired, "I'm a guy, you're a girl, let's get together!" just for the sake of romance. I think Nomura wanted something more special and intimate, shared between two friends that went WAY back(before Noctis even became good friends with his broskis) and the drama that comes with the fact that he(Noctis) has to be pitted against his childhood friend(Stella), through twist of fate. It's no reason Nomura wanted to invoke the tears with HIS story. And we know Luna is similar(childhood friend), but it looks like, unlike Stella, she might have a closer relationship with Noctis(romantic, and more frequently engaging, as it seems like they are more familiar with their "adult" counterparts and kept in touch, unlike Stella). That's just a MY theory and nothing more.

Well for what we know there could very well be no love story between Noctis and Luna.
I mean, their marriage feels like some political move, i doubt any sentiment is involved.
But then again when was the last time we got a FF without a love story?
 
That quote also implies that Noruma's Versus could be something similar to the current XV you know that right? He outright said that things changes all the time even when Noruma was in charge and we know very little of what his 'vision' actually is.

Whatever changed was not Nomuras choice. We know Nomura was upset by being removed from the team and probably got the message that what had already done would be changed. I was pretty happy at what I saw for XV in 2013 not so much everything TGS
2014 onward. They look like two different games to be honest.

I follow him on Facebook and he's still in the team if that's your worry, maybe he simply do not have any PR role.

I'm sure he's in the team but they got him to shut up didn't they.
 
He said that because it was a huge waste of time and money, and he also said Nomura should be fired. He also really hates remakes, and thinks FFVIIR shouldn't be done.

He then tea bagged an intern who was wearing a Nomura mask while simultaneously taking a long, satisfying drink from a Deutsche Bier.
 
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