Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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Agreed. Reposting from another thread just now:
EDIT: Oh, I should add that I was overleveled (~77) during it, but I doubt it would've made such a difference that it would've went from being "okay" to "WOAT".
Zomba13
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I was level 50 something or 60 something on Chapter 13 and I didn't really enjoy it. It wasn't horrible or the worst thing ever but it did drag on in parts. Once you are in the hallways with the MTs it dragged a bit. I get what they were going for and I got it about 2 sections or so in. It didn't need to be as long as it was and you could just use the triangle attack on the ring to just get rid of the MTs so there was no sneaky sneaky stealth tension there.
PshycoNinja
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That is awesome to hear!
Shifty Capone1
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This was also my first Final Fantasy and I liked it so much I actually watched Kings Glaive. Considering i've never played many JRPGs at all, this may lead to trying others. Now what to try is the better question.
Still don't understand the story nearly as well as I'd like, but that didn't stop me enjoying this game immensely.
PshycoNinja
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Whew...
Edit:
Wow. Its good to hear that so many people are enjoying this as their first FF game. That's super cool to hear that you're interested in playing more JRPGs because of FFXV. Are you interested in turn-based combat or willing to give it a shot? Persona and past FF games are great fun. If your more into action oriented combat then the Kingdom Hearts and Tales of games are great to jump into.
Relaxed Muscle
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Shifty Capone1
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Honestly I am open to everything. Not sure why I never gave them a shot in the past. Persona/Kingdom Hearts worth diving straight into?
PshycoNinja
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Persona is kinda like FF in that each one is unique and isn't reliant on previous entries, although gameplay remains relatively the same and doesn't mess with its formula. Which works for the series.
Kingdom Hearts you kinda have to play from the beginning to understand what is happening. It is one continuous story. I would wait for the 1.5 + 2.5 Remixes to come out in March (which will give you most of the KH games on PS4) once you're done with those jump into 2.8 which continues off those games.
Persona is turn based and Kingdom Hearts is an Action JRPG like XV.
Regarding Ch 13- I personally liked the change of pace and aside from the boring brown hallway parts, liked the change in scenery and it evoked a very Midgar/Shinra feeling.
But I truly, truly, feel that the whole chapter would have been 75% better if the player movement wasn't gimped. I don't hear many people mentioning this, and it was the single biggest reason for why I personally was angry during that chapter. Why was sprint disabled and the movement so sluggish? Noct always had his shoulders raised and arms hovering like he was sneaking, which I get is what a lot of the chapter is about but I was desperately going "COME ON!!!!" just moving around and exploring looking for treasure and stuff, and even trying to do the jumping trick to get around faster (like in towns where you couldn't sprint) did nothing. I was mostly dodge rolling forward to make progress but it still was super slow until you were reunited with your bros and the controls returned to normal.
Story wise, structure wise, and change of pace wise, I liked the chapter quite a bit. I also like how the Ring of Lucis gave Holy and Death, some other classic FF spells, a chance to be in the game. (Void was called something else in a past FF too, no?
But I truly, truly, feel that the whole chapter would have been 75% better if the player movement wasn't gimped. I don't hear many people mentioning this, and it was the single biggest reason for why I personally was angry during that chapter. Why was sprint disabled and the movement so sluggish? Noct always had his shoulders raised and arms hovering like he was sneaking, which I get is what a lot of the chapter is about but I was desperately going "COME ON!!!!" just moving around and exploring looking for treasure and stuff, and even trying to do the jumping trick to get around faster (like in towns where you couldn't sprint) did nothing. I was mostly dodge rolling forward to make progress but it still was super slow until you were reunited with your bros and the controls returned to normal.
Story wise, structure wise, and change of pace wise, I liked the chapter quite a bit. I also like how the Ring of Lucis gave Holy and Death, some other classic FF spells, a chance to be in the game. (Void was called something else in a past FF too, no?
Shifty Capone1
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Thanks for info! I'll have to buy those once they come out in March. Can't believe it has taken me this long to even try a lot of these games.
Cool!
I'm curious, what made you want to check this one out? Was it a trailer that grabbed you? Were you turned off at first by the character designs with the Anime hair and black leather outfits?Agree 100%. My main issue honestly was just the slow movement (jumped all the time to move at least a bit quicker) and that it was ~30min too long. Otherwise I liked the change of pace and atmosphere too. The way Ardyn talked to Noctis throughout was cool, but what bothered me a bit was that some of Ardyn's lines started repeating, but only in the later parts, which made me think it was a bug or something.
Vic_Viper
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trying to get the item to unlock the locked doors in each Dungeon. Need help figuring out what I need to do still.
Ive got all the Royal Arms, Went back and did Steyliff Grove, and just finished Costlemark last night and the lady will still not give me the item lol. What am I missing? Is there anyway to see which dungeons you havent done yet or something? Are there Dungeons without Royal Arms?
The only thing I can think of is that I havent done the End Game Dungeon with all the puzzles and no combat, but I thought it wasnt needed for the item.
Ive got all the Royal Arms, Went back and did Steyliff Grove, and just finished Costlemark last night and the lady will still not give me the item lol. What am I missing? Is there anyway to see which dungeons you havent done yet or something? Are there Dungeons without Royal Arms?
The only thing I can think of is that I havent done the End Game Dungeon with all the puzzles and no combat, but I thought it wasnt needed for the item.
Thank you! I was wondering if my game was bugged since noone else mentioned the movement haha
jimmypython
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haha that's what I did too.
Since I just can't get the combat of the game (I still don't know how to properly point warp after finishing the whole game), I overleveled and powered through everything lol
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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Those gifs are amazing, Sunhi....... wow.
PshycoNinja
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I'm actually curious, what got you to try out FFXV? And awesome! I will be overjoyed if XV is a game that gets people to give more JRPGs a try and hopefully open them up to a whole genre of games.
Black Suit:
The Black Suit is in the game as it's own thing because at the end of the game Noctis is in it (after the Kingly stuff has fallen off the suit due to the battle with Ardyn) and shows up when you rest or camp while wearing it. It's just not usable as a costume (yet, hopefully).
I was really happy to see that we were able to have Noctis wear the suit in the post game but then I was immediately disappointed that I couldn't take the cape and the knee guard off.
Hopefully they will patch a third version of of it with just the suit, I mean they already have the model of it, just not playable.
Had this problem, and was actually missing Daurel Caverns. It's south part of the map, somewhat close to the Lighthouse place.
Rad Shadow
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You've beat the game, right?
All I could think in that fight was that gif (and is kinda unfair because Dragon Age II had a more involved combat system than FF XV).
Vic_Viper
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Think this was the problem. Going to check her again now.
of course lol.
Edit: got it thanks!
NVM that last question.
After sitting on this game for a while I've been thinking about how they really dropped the ball when it came to designing the bros' secondary skills.
1) Estimates for maxing out certain skills require hours upon hours of repetition. ("tie rubberbands to your controller and run against a wall" is something you want to avoid your players doing)
2) Everyone's skills besides Gladio's aren't useful for the main game.
3) Some of the perks aren't explained. (The player has no idea what Lure Allure I or Self-Timing Photography is without going to the internet.)
If I were designing this, and I'm not sure why they didn't do it this way, this is how I'd have approached Ignis's skill, for example:
How to fix Ignis's Cooking Skill (Good Game Design 101):
1) Instead of rewarding the player for spamming camping (when the player is incentivized to NOT camp because you lose huge multipliers), tie skill experience gains to learning new recipes.
2) Make creating food into its own minigame where you can mix and match ingredients. This allows the player to discover dishes they haven't yet learned, and gives incentive to go around and learn every recipe.
3) Change the level rewards from recipes you'll likely never use to a multiplier system. As Ignis improves his skill, the stat bonuses from food become stronger. To balance this, all stat bonuses will have to be a range from, say, 20% to 120% of what they currently are.
Boom, suddenly Ignis's cooking skill is actually worth leveling outside of the trophy hunting, and there's a reason to collect every recipe, and it removes the way everyone sane gets this trophy, by removing the need to sleep at camp for months of in-game time.
1) Estimates for maxing out certain skills require hours upon hours of repetition. ("tie rubberbands to your controller and run against a wall" is something you want to avoid your players doing)
2) Everyone's skills besides Gladio's aren't useful for the main game.
3) Some of the perks aren't explained. (The player has no idea what Lure Allure I or Self-Timing Photography is without going to the internet.)
If I were designing this, and I'm not sure why they didn't do it this way, this is how I'd have approached Ignis's skill, for example:
How to fix Ignis's Cooking Skill (Good Game Design 101):
1) Instead of rewarding the player for spamming camping (when the player is incentivized to NOT camp because you lose huge multipliers), tie skill experience gains to learning new recipes.
2) Make creating food into its own minigame where you can mix and match ingredients. This allows the player to discover dishes they haven't yet learned, and gives incentive to go around and learn every recipe.
3) Change the level rewards from recipes you'll likely never use to a multiplier system. As Ignis improves his skill, the stat bonuses from food become stronger. To balance this, all stat bonuses will have to be a range from, say, 20% to 120% of what they currently are.
Boom, suddenly Ignis's cooking skill is actually worth leveling outside of the trophy hunting, and there's a reason to collect every recipe, and it removes the way everyone sane gets this trophy, by removing the need to sleep at camp for months of in-game time.
AgentLampshade
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Tonberries give me the fear.
Steyliff sealed dungeon down. Two to go. I hope they aren't hundred floor gauntlets.
Steyliff sealed dungeon down. Two to go. I hope they aren't hundred floor gauntlets.
Only fearsome left is Costelmark, which apparently has 60 floors.
Wireframe
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If-bp5YaOdk
Accolades trailer came out today and feels like it should belong in here haha.
Accolades trailer came out today and feels like it should belong in here haha.
You could be lvl 10 and it wouldn't change much, the ring's abilities = I win button, basically. Except when you get the sword, but after that you can almost just run to the objective.
Its a random drop from a Coeurl. Pretty sure its a rare drop too. There's a dish ignis can make to up drops by 50%.
Tips for tonberries. Never attack them, just hold the square and counter them when they attack, and wait for overwhelm for Ignis to fill up and unleash it as soon as possible.
latter half of he game made noct one of my favorite protags in recent years especially JRPG ones..... that line had me wilding out
The Kang brehs almost wish for spinoffs to see him just shit on people. The english VA was good as hell.
FlashbladeGAF
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The chapter was fine, it was just too long. Think I was level 35-40
The "use the magic ring" sections was a nice change of pace for me, because at the time I was severely under leveled and was low on potions/elixirs.
My playthrough played perfectly into the scenario.
Fuck the Ravus fight! I don't know how I beat that shit.
Zomba13
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Listening to Noctis's Theme again reminds me the ending and gets my throat all tighten up. 
This game nailed the ending, it got me real good. Noctis's end, while predictable, is still tragic and sudden.
He disappears, fades away into nothingness and then...credits...and then all the stuff to pull the knife even deeper.
I haven't been this touched by a game's ending since FFX.
I agree wholeheartedly, when he said that I was like ''Holy shit, he's up for a brawl, big time.''
This game nailed the ending, it got me real good. Noctis's end, while predictable, is still tragic and sudden.
He disappears, fades away into nothingness and then...credits...and then all the stuff to pull the knife even deeper.
I haven't been this touched by a game's ending since FFX.
I agree wholeheartedly, when he said that I was like ''Holy shit, he's up for a brawl, big time.''
Listening to Noctis's Theme again reminds me the ending and gets my throat all tighten up.
This game nailed the ending, it got me real good, Noctis's end is tragic and sudden.
He disappears, fades away into nothingness and then...credits and all the stuff to pull the knife even deeper.
I haven't been this touched by a game's ending since FFX.
Interesting villain, great group dynamic/main cast, and incredibly strong ending are what really end up saving the game.
ackl
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I actually experienced this. Yes, in the end, they give you two group photos to pick.
Which group photos are they? Is one of them the one you take with the Regalia?
ackl
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I think so. And the other one was at Cape Caem together with Iris, Cor, Talcott, and others; which was the one I ended up picking.
My new game plus run I'm gonna use a pic of cup noodle.
I figured, those two seem like the ones the game wanted you to pick.
OH come the fuck on.
It was bad enough that they showed any chapter 14 footage prior to the games release, but now they basically spoil every major fight in the game and some very key moments?
Bahamut's reveal & his summon, the fight with ifrit, ssj noctis w/ leviathan, part of luna's death cutscene?
Jesus christ.
Akio Ofuji is the goddamn marketing marketing producer ffs, was this an error only by the NA branch, or was it his fault the entire time? If someone doesn't get horribly reprimanded or fired from this I'm gonna be livid, because a lot of marketing for this game has been... really fucking bad.
This is an overreaction. I beat this game twice and nothing they show in that trailer is a complete spoiler of the entire game. Heck, the ifrit boss fight doesn't have the word "IFRIT" plastered all over the screen, they're showing you a boss fight of the enemy teased in the opening cut scene of the game. If you never played this game and saw this trailer it would tell you nothing about what the game is from a story perspective.
You know they're spoilers because you know the context of all of this.
Zomba13
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But it still spoils cool moments. Like how the cold opening spoils the time skip and sets your expectations to fight some kind of casual fire demon lord so all throughout the game you know nothing bad will happen to the main guys because you got to get to the point where Noctis grows some face fuzz.
Like, yeah, it doesn't say "Ardyn is the bad guy and is actually a million billion years old and absorbed demons into him but then people were dicks to him so he got mad salty" but it still shows off several cool reveals and moments like the Leviathan fight and Bahamut v Ifrit even if it doesn't say their names or how they factor in to the plot.