Zeus The Dino
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Thanks as well
Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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Well, the weather was fucked up in the Niflheim border. That to me seems to be an "up yours" message from Shiva.
Also, let's assume that Leviathan and Titan also got killed. How come their deaths didn't affect their "elements"?
My point is that I don't think Shiva's "death" caused the weather condition.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I mean, the Empire claimed they "killed" Titan too but he's all fine and dandy blocking Leviathan from crushing Altissia afterwards.
In short, the Empire was full of shit, lol. Or, at the very least I believe that although they thought they have killed Shiva, the various Astrals are not something that someone can really 'kill', at least not by mortal means.
Ganon Dragmire
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from the wiki:
I believe she's the first Astral to "die"
I believe she's the first Astral to "die"
Interesting. So the gods can be killed, but they just get reborn so it's pretty much irrelevant? Where did the Wiki get that info from?
Zeus The Dino
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Ah, havent watched kingsglaive but I watched a summary of it on youtube
Zeus The Dino
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Yeah that transition was jarring as hell
Ganon Dragmire
Member
probably the guide. I saw scans of it out there showing the chronological history of the world including the date of Shiva's death.
I just assumed the summoning happened right after the speech (or soon after).
Zeus The Dino
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Yeah
But even so why did noct not go and talk to her before they started, because all of a sudden shes standing on some rock in the ocean
That's actually a pretty common occurrence in mythology.
theofficefan99
Junior Member
Actually, there isn't a transition. The summoning happens literally right after the speech, which is ridiculous. Though I'm not surprised, since the writing has continuously been insulting garbage from the very first chapter. Story patches cannot fix this appalling, steaming pile of diarrhea. I am seriously shocked that I'm playing a mainline Final Fantasy title.
After XIII, does garbage writing really surprise you in this franchise?
theofficefan99
Junior Member
Say what you will about XIII, but at the very least, the game had plenty of cutscenes, it was polished, and the main story wasn't an afterthought.
Also, seriously guys, can we discuss how awful the "set pieces" are in this game? As someone who has 40 hours in the game at the beginning of Chapter 10... Titan and Leviathan, gameplay-wise, are easily the worst things in this game.
Shifty Capone1
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Cool!I'm curious, what made you want to check this one out? Was it a trailer that grabbed you? Were you turned off at first by the character designs with the Anime hair and black leather outfits?
I'm actually curious, what got you to try out FFXV? And awesome! I will be overjoyed if XV is a game that gets people to give more JRPGs a try and hopefully open them up to a whole genre of games.
The character design always seemed a little funky to me, but that was never really a major reason why I didn't give many a shot. The stigma for me around JRPGs was long and boring. Put that label without even giving them a shot.
As for how I picked up XV (100+ hours later...) it was Gaf mostly. Don't post too often but lurk a lot. I try to read up in every game because you never know. Saw the combat, heard good things about how the game plays and watched a trailer or two. At that point I knew I needed to try it. Like I said before, now I've even watched KingGlaive even. The game definitely drew me in. Even though I thought the story was a little disjointed like most, I think with KingsGlaive it at least made sense. Hoping to get into the other games you guys posted. Seems I've missed some amazing games just due to stupid stigmas.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
What I don't understand that instead of showing us Cid, Cindy, or Iris, characters that at the very least we spent some time about and thus care, the game decided to show TALCOTT out of all characters in the 10 years after.
Why him? Whyyyy? What the fuuuuuck?
Why him? Whyyyy? What the fuuuuuck?
HerroRygar
Member
I guess that's the most obvious character for time passing, as opposed to Prompto who now looks like "Prompto with shitty facial hair".
It wraps up the very crucial Jared storyline
Anyone notice in the north part of Lucis there's a blocked off tunnel leading to a huge area of blacked out map? Seems suspicious. Is that where Galahd is supposed to be? I heard somewhere that it would be placed around that area. Maybe they cut it out, the playable area around it seems suspiciously unused for how big it is too, like they ran out of time to do anything with it.
The one near the volcano?
Nah its the on the road to the north of Lestallum where I bet 90% of players never go.
EDIT:
Yup, I was right. The tunnel would have lead right into that zone. Wonder if it was cut or never planned to be accessible and they added the tunnel just to mesh with the KG story.
Ganon Dragmire
Member
a pity
I would of loved to visit the place where this guy:
came from. Maybe in a future DLC patch update thing. haha
TranceKuja
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When hunting for the sturdy helixhorn, can you save outside the fight and just reload everytime you don't get it? Or are drop chances already decided on that save file and should I restart the hunt every time for new spawns?
So I decided I'd head into this dungeon because I was interested...
Four hours later, I now know it was one hundred floors and I depleted 75% of my items. At least I had Aranea taking the blows otherwise I would have been dead for sure. Well, we did it. God. I gave the game a break and now I want another break. That was rough. Nice little accomplishment though. Please tell me the others aren't as bad..
Four hours later, I now know it was one hundred floors and I depleted 75% of my items. At least I had Aranea taking the blows otherwise I would have been dead for sure. Well, we did it. God. I gave the game a break and now I want another break. That was rough. Nice little accomplishment though. Please tell me the others aren't as bad..
Just finished it, and good lord what a disjointed mess this game was, only made worse by the potential that shines through the band-aids. Props to S-E for not releasing an utter disaster after spending so much time in limbo, but the flaws are real.
Funnily enough, for how much it distantiates itself from its aggressively linear predecessor, it's when the game restricts player exploration the most that I found myself being reminded of the elusive "Final Fantasy feeling". The train chapters in particular had a great atmosphere. I was also surprised by how okay chapter 13 was after hearing how much of a shitshow it was supposed to be. Sadly, these are the chapters that suffer the most from the biggest flaw of the game its hacked narrative.
Final Fantasy games were never perfect when it came to story beats and narrative integrity, FFX was particularly egregious in some parts, but I don't think I've ever seen a game in such a rough state keeping the pretense that its narrative was perfectly fine. One of the worse example, despite being fairly minor, is the kidnapping mission that happens during Iris's escort mission. The game has you play this painfully dull stealth section, follows it up with a big brawl while Ignis carries the target away, only for him to immediately come back after the fight ended saying "well shit, sorry, dude escaped". An utterly baffling waste of time.
The game also dropped the ball pretty hard on characterization, with very little depth or growth to most of the cast. At least none of them were grating like some of XIII's characters. The main antagonist had a surprisingly pleasant and well written demeanour. His motivations were fine, but his plan (and by extension the plot of the game) made no fucking sense. Funny to think that Squaresoft used the same villain backstory more than twenty years ago, but used it better in a more interesting story. (Another Yoko Shimomura soundtrack too!)
I enjoyed my time with FFXV, but it honestly feels like half of the game it was supposed to be.
Funnily enough, for how much it distantiates itself from its aggressively linear predecessor, it's when the game restricts player exploration the most that I found myself being reminded of the elusive "Final Fantasy feeling". The train chapters in particular had a great atmosphere. I was also surprised by how okay chapter 13 was after hearing how much of a shitshow it was supposed to be. Sadly, these are the chapters that suffer the most from the biggest flaw of the game its hacked narrative.
Final Fantasy games were never perfect when it came to story beats and narrative integrity, FFX was particularly egregious in some parts, but I don't think I've ever seen a game in such a rough state keeping the pretense that its narrative was perfectly fine. One of the worse example, despite being fairly minor, is the kidnapping mission that happens during Iris's escort mission. The game has you play this painfully dull stealth section, follows it up with a big brawl while Ignis carries the target away, only for him to immediately come back after the fight ended saying "well shit, sorry, dude escaped". An utterly baffling waste of time.
The game also dropped the ball pretty hard on characterization, with very little depth or growth to most of the cast. At least none of them were grating like some of XIII's characters. The main antagonist had a surprisingly pleasant and well written demeanour. His motivations were fine, but his plan (and by extension the plot of the game) made no fucking sense. Funny to think that Squaresoft used the same villain backstory more than twenty years ago, but used it better in a more interesting story. (Another Yoko Shimomura soundtrack too!)
I enjoyed my time with FFXV, but it honestly feels like half of the game it was supposed to be.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Nah, you can reload like that just fine.
Just eat that Mother and Child dish that you learn by observing a lady eating at Lestallum outpost before coming in. I got that horn in my first try.
It's not really clear, and maybe for self interpretation, but I'm pretty sure that they aren't dead. It was probably something like the "my friends are my power"-scene in KH3D.
BossDarkseid
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Is there any way to not have to do the block + Red Iron Giant fights in Costlemark again if I'm going down there for a Hunt + Sealed Door?
I think you have to do it at least once for the sealed door, as for the hunt, im not sure
The crack in the wall that leads to the sealed door is in the room with the iron giants lol. You'll have to fight them at least once to be able to go through the crack.
BossDarkseid
Member
Lawd I forgot about that. :/ I just wondered if I had missed something and there was a teleporter to the Red Giant room since I've already cleared the dungeon (cleared them all before finishing the story). Oh well.
TranceKuja
Member
Thank you. Got it after my second reload after eating said dish. Hooray!
So yesterday I played all the way to 1:30AM...fucking dead today at work! :lol
-Finished the two last optional dungeons before having the Secret Dungeons Key.
-Did the three first secret dungeons
-On the third one, I did a mix of eating 100%EXP food at the restaurant, having Expericast level 99 and went to the X3 hotel after it to have 1.5M EXP in like an hour and went from Lvl 87 to Lvl 99...that was ridiculous, the fights where I used Expericast gave me like 35K EXP each.
The feeling of having a productive night, heh...
-Finished the two last optional dungeons before having the Secret Dungeons Key.
-Did the three first secret dungeons
-On the third one, I did a mix of eating 100%EXP food at the restaurant, having Expericast level 99 and went to the X3 hotel after it to have 1.5M EXP in like an hour and went from Lvl 87 to Lvl 99...that was ridiculous, the fights where I used Expericast gave me like 35K EXP each.
The feeling of having a productive night, heh...
Yeah, and Cape Caem was the one that I chose out of all my pics for the ending too. I later regretted it a little when I saw so many picking the Regalia one, which was actually the more personal one, best honoring the bros and...the sister.
It's not really up for interpretation actually. The game made it very clear:
The final defeat of Ardyn does not take place in the afterlife but in the heart of the crystal.
After Noctis gets sucked into the crystal this is what Bahamut explained to him:
"The heart of the crystal, wherein lies the soul of the star. And it is in this place, where the king will gain the power to fulfill his calling. By the light of the crystal and the glaives of rulers' past."
If that wasn't clear enough, the Ardyn defeat takes place in the exact swirl of blue and violett with crystal particles floating around in which Noctis was when he met Bahamut...
It's not only not the afterlife but the bros are also not there in reality when Ardyn is defeated. They are a mere vision of Ardyn. We only see them for a second from Ardyn's point of view. He then shakes his head in agony and they are gone again. It is only Noctis and the former Lucian kings who defeat Ardyn, just as Bahamut foretold. (I think Luna and Regis too were only visions by Ardyn.)
The only afterlife scene in the game (the campfire scene took place before entering Insomnia to confront Ardyn) was the scene of Noctis' and Luna's wedding. Regis was with them (in voice) but none of the bros attended. You would think they were invited if they were dead as well, right? That was also the point of having the bros there in a picture...unless you chose Cindy.
A friend of mine explained it even better:
You can't kill someone in the afterlife, because he would be already dead to be there, duh!
Lights and Waves
Member
It would have been nice of the game to include those anime episodes as bonus easter eggs or something. I haven't seen any of them. Could have been a low hanging fruit.
Fbh
Member
Just finished beating pitious dungeon.
It's like the perfect dungeon for this game in that it's a weird mix of really good with really bad.
It's really big and I found the level and platforming design to be top tier. I've played lots of puzzle and platforming games that aren't as well designed as this dungeon. Visually, while too dark at times, I also found it really cool.
BUT it was just as much frustrating as it was amazing because neither the movement nor the physics in this game were designed with precision platforming (or anything close to that) in mind.
Going through the dungeon was a mix of amazement and frustration. One moment I was amazed by a new location and the complex way it was designed, the next moment I was thinking about giving up because the games wants me to jump between tiny metal bars with controls that were never ment to be used for that
Also I was expecting at least some sort of spectacle for the ending. A tiny cutscene, some short dialog or at least arriving at some trasure room or something. It's kind of anticlimactic to just ride an elevator to an empty room with the final item on the ground.
Still, I had a lot of fun with this. Much like some of the content in Dragon Age Inquisition I think this is one of the cool parts of the game that will be forgotten in a sea of "all the side content is shit" comments in years to come
It's like the perfect dungeon for this game in that it's a weird mix of really good with really bad.
It's really big and I found the level and platforming design to be top tier. I've played lots of puzzle and platforming games that aren't as well designed as this dungeon. Visually, while too dark at times, I also found it really cool.
BUT it was just as much frustrating as it was amazing because neither the movement nor the physics in this game were designed with precision platforming (or anything close to that) in mind.
Going through the dungeon was a mix of amazement and frustration. One moment I was amazed by a new location and the complex way it was designed, the next moment I was thinking about giving up because the games wants me to jump between tiny metal bars with controls that were never ment to be used for that
Also I was expecting at least some sort of spectacle for the ending. A tiny cutscene, some short dialog or at least arriving at some trasure room or something. It's kind of anticlimactic to just ride an elevator to an empty room with the final item on the ground.
Still, I had a lot of fun with this. Much like some of the content in Dragon Age Inquisition I think this is one of the cool parts of the game that will be forgotten in a sea of "all the side content is shit" comments in years to come
AgentLampshade
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Pitioss annoyed me because I kept screaming in my head "you can teleport!"
Lights and Waves
Member
I'm looking forward to doing NG+ in a year from now with all the story patches and DLC added. It doesn't make sense to start immediately when half the updates aren't here yet.
The level stopping ring how does it work? Does it just stop you from absorbing your current EXP when you rest? If so, that'd be great. It would allow you to hoard your EXP while still camping and upgrading your characters' skills.
The level stopping ring how does it work? Does it just stop you from absorbing your current EXP when you rest? If so, that'd be great. It would allow you to hoard your EXP while still camping and upgrading your characters' skills.
Moral Panic
Member
What happened with Ravus's arm? The game said it gave him some supernatural strength but I never picked up anything else after that. Did I miss something?
He lost his arm in Kingsglaive from trying to wear the ring. iirc. his arm is Magitek tech or something.
Nope. The scene was a flashback to the last campfire before their return to the city.
ArkhamFantasy
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Look at your map, a bunch should be on there. If not just check a guide.
Moral Panic
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I know his arm got burned in Kigslaive but the dialogue makes it sound like he gained supernatural powers from it, and I wanted to be sure I hadn't missed the explanation.
https://youtu.be/YvD4mzOjwYk?t=2m50s
Fbh
Member
So this has probably been talked about already.
During the final scene around the campfire at the end. What does Noctis say in japanese?
From what little japanese I know from lots of anime watching during highschool I take it that the translation isn't very literal. Also different dubs seem to have different translations for certain key phrases.
In the english subtitle he says "it's more than I can take". Is that what he also says in japanese?
During the final scene around the campfire at the end. What does Noctis say in japanese?
From what little japanese I know from lots of anime watching during highschool I take it that the translation isn't very literal. Also different dubs seem to have different translations for certain key phrases.
In the english subtitle he says "it's more than I can take". Is that what he also says in japanese?