This really seems to be a new low, though.
Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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This really seems to be a new low, though.
KZXcellent
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I love Nomura but i don't believe Versus was fully playable at all. The only actual gameplay that was shown in the 2013 trailer ran at like 10fps. If it was that far along there would have been no need to remove him for the project. Hell, they wouldn't even need to rebrand it to XV at that point.
We know Nomura wanted Versus XIII to be a trilogy. Maybe Versus XIII-1 was a pretty short game.
As in a playable build. Not retail ready.
Solid Sora
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Yeah, was very emotional.
Ah... speaking of Ravus..
He makes two appearances in the game.. One whin you first meet him and he antagonize Noctis, but Ardyn stop the fight beford it starts.
Later you discover he became a good guy off-screen after his experience with the ring in Kingsglaive, he doubts Noctis's worth but he's now open to help Luna in her quest.
When you go to Niffelhim in the end, you find Ravus corpse along with Regis's sword. It's implied that Ardyn killed him along with everyone in the city.
Ardyn then transforms Ravus's corpse into a demon, but he seems to be aqare of his actions, asking you to finish him off. That's when you get to fight him, and it's a really tough fight.
Versteal makes a one appearance in an early cutscene, then I never saw him again. Maybe you get to fight him in one of the optional Niffelhim basses?
Bahamut is not Aranea. Bahamut was sleeping inside the crystal for centuries before the game. I also think he was the voice talking to Regis in the Omen trailer (which by the way doesn't make a lot of sense with the game story).
He never said it was playable from start to finish AFAIK, he did say in 2007 that the script that he and nojima wrote for the game had been fully completed though. And why he was removed from the project was never disclosed.
So basically, your doubling down on making stuff up as you see fit? "The game would have sucked anyway, that would never have made it into the game because i say so", even though i was trying to earnestly debate your point?
Never mind, i know now not to try and debate with you
KZXcellent
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I just feel like Square would have put more manpower on that game if the Versus' first entry was already that far along. Then again Square wasn't making very good decisions last gen so who knows!
I am hopeful it can't be worse than XII's horrible barely there story. People said XIII had too much but XII had too little and it was uninteresting with an uninteresting villain. I get my copy tomorrow so I will find out soon enough.
And people say this is not a downgraded role!? We don't know what Ravus's original role was, but only appealing in 2 scenes and then dying surely reeks of cut material to me.
It would have been so much better if Versus was just really canceled and we got a brand new FFXV.
It just doesn't feel good and it would be better for Square Enix actually.
They could have turned Versus story into a movie or novel or something and release it, fans could get something.
We would get a game that is planned from the start with current gen and SE capabilities in mind with the same staff, from start to release with a brand new concept instead of a 10 yo one. It's clear they didn't have anything substantial made until 2014. Everything was discarded anyway. They could have avoided all the PR mess too.
win-win-win.
It just doesn't feel good and it would be better for Square Enix actually.
They could have turned Versus story into a movie or novel or something and release it, fans could get something.
We would get a game that is planned from the start with current gen and SE capabilities in mind with the same staff, from start to release with a brand new concept instead of a 10 yo one. It's clear they didn't have anything substantial made until 2014. Everything was discarded anyway. They could have avoided all the PR mess too.
win-win-win.
Solid Sora
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I wish they just have removed it entirely from the game. It's embarrassing how low he came since his epic scene in 2008.
Or they could have just kept Versus material in the ground after the game was canceled. I think that would have been better than resurrecting it in any form. Nomura could have gone on to do FF7R, KH3 or whatever he is already doing. And there would be no controversy about re purposing these assets into a mess.
SargerusBR
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This is one thing that is really starting to worry me. Too many important stuff i read and saw on streams happened off-screen.
Wow to they Final Fantasy XIII'd the villains again? That's really disappointing to hear.
I think it would have made more sense for Ravus to have been cut entirely, i agree. Luna didn't need a bro with her role.
guybrushfreeman
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So basically FFXV - Everything was offscreen then?
Edit: Looks like I was beaten by others offscreen while I was too slow haha
Edit: Looks like I was beaten by others offscreen while I was too slow haha
The story in this game just sounds worse the more you know about it.
It's honestly kinda funny how Tabata has literally scorched the earth with this game. It's as if he made sure that nobody can work on anything related to this game in the future, such as FFXV-2.
KZXcellent
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So what does Iedolas do?
Crossing Eden
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Not the game specifically, the story part of it. Nomura simply cannot do narratives. Remember we're talking about the same dude who wrote this:
The most unironic and cliche use of "my friends are my power."
KZXcellent
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Not the game specifically, the story part of it. Nomura simply cannot do narratives. Remember we're talking about the same dude who wrote this:
It all comes down to personal taste when it comes to this.
DDD wasn't that great.
Yeah, it really does when it comes to Nomura. I personally hate his writing and agree with Eden. I love KH2 though.
If that's the case then he succeeds then?! I just really feel like this is a game I need to play because without context the story sounds crazy as hell.
Not the game specifically, the story part of it. Nomura simply cannot do narratives. Remember we're talking about the same dude who wrote this:
The most unironic and cliche use of "my friends are my power."
Your referring to Nojima, who also wrote many of the best games of the series, but conveniently ignore that to push your own narrative about Nomura did.
If you don't like KH, that's your own viewpoint, i don't care about what you do or don't think is good. but i said i'm not debating with you because your not coming at it from a logical angle, so i'm done.
Solid Sora
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Dies off screen.
Well kind of? He wanted to do it himself for revenge, but Noctis ends up doing it to save the world with help from his friends. He had no choice but to destroy the lucian bloodline, including himself, to stop a great calamity from befalling the world with Luna as the oracle dead, who along with the king, kept the world in balance
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Which ones are those and how are they received relative to the heights of the gaming industry?
Aranea? Iris?
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Solid Sora
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Iris becomes a deamon hunter in the world of ruin. Aranea leaves the army to build her own merc group, but she's the only character that's never heard of after the time skip, that's why I think she'll be featured in one of the DLCs.
That's toriyama. and his lightning fetish. Nojima has tons of good work under his belt, even though he has some infamous brow raisers too.
Does Iris' timeskip design look cool?
Nojima didn't rewrite Tabata's script.
hear hear. This game is owned by tabata, all the successes and failures. A lot of the dev hell itself is not his fault, and he was under tons of pressure, but he and the script writer under him(one of the dissidia writers i think) made this story, and they are who we should be talking about instead of trying to do weak deflection.
Solid Sora
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By the way I love the stories of VII and IX, and find the stories of VI and X very enjoyable, so keep that in mind when I say that the story is a mess. I'm not one of the "FF always had terrible stories" crowd.
The final chapter and the ending though.. were very well done. One of my absolute favorites in the series.
You don't see her, nor do you see Cindy, maybe in the DLC!
The final chapter and the ending though.. were very well done. One of my absolute favorites in the series.
You don't see her, nor do you see Cindy, maybe in the DLC!
How can you say you enjoy VI's story can call XV a mess? VI drops almost every running plot the second the World of Ruin begins.
I'm starting to see a trend with these dropped plot points...
I mean, besides the Empire... not really?
I don't think Jett was trying to deflect anything, he's not a fan of XV, but I mean, its literally been a decade sense Nojima wrote anything that got acclaim, he's more well known today for blowing up Tidus with fucking Blitzball bombs
Nojima's stories might be convoluted but he puts in loads of details into everything that makes characters and locales more interesting and the dialog is generally good.
Certainly not everything happens off screen with non sense every where. That's usually what happens when SE brings in someone else on staff to write and wrap a game ASAP. They don't have a single competent writer in house lol from the looks of it.
Certainly not everything happens off screen with non sense every where. That's usually what happens when SE brings in someone else on staff to write and wrap a game ASAP. They don't have a single competent writer in house lol from the looks of it.
You don't see either Cindy OR Iris again post timeskip? Shitty.
I was thinking Cindy might be in a better state post timeskip, to kind of take over for her father full time or something and just take over his role as cid entirely, being more mature and less of a weird southern belle caricature, but i guess that was not to be
And even if that was true, what does that have to do with 15? I mean i disagree with it, but again, its not even the thread for deflection about other writers.
I was thinking Cindy might be in a better state post timeskip, to kind of take over for her father full time or something and just take over his role as cid entirely, being more mature and less of a weird southern belle caricature, but i guess that was not to be
And even if that was true, what does that have to do with 15? I mean i disagree with it, but again, its not even the thread for deflection about other writers.
They do. They're on XI and XIV.
a series of convenient plot turns and off screen deaths after single appearances, it truly is a mess. Almost a Jill Nabaat level mess. A lot of this could have been cleaned up by culling a lot of these characters, they really should have looked into trying to delete more to clean it up.
Agree on XIV, but XI hasn't had a story update in over a year it's finished. Why would writer still be on it? plus I remeber Rhapsodies and Adoulin being REALLY divisive story wise among the community.
Just wait for the DLC man - it'll fix everything & be super awesome! Please be excited!
Yabberwocky
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What the hell. As everyone keeps saying, I'm really baffled by how many story moments just happen off-screen.
Oh, wow, the game being so Ravus light is surprising. I especially feel a bit frustrated after Kingsglaive, because I thought - at the very least - Ravus, Iedolas, and possibly Glauca would have some solid resolution or interaction with Noctis in FFXV.
You'll get more Goth Kairi, and you'll like it!
The worst thing about Rhapsodies of Vana'diel is that you could really tell that it was rushed and meant to be its own expansion. There were almost no quests in the story. It was mostly going from point to point watching cutscenes.
Solid Sora
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I don't think it's a particularly good story, but it's a very enjoyable one imo. Not because of the plot as much as because of the many great moments and setpieces. Opera scene, zozo city, celes's attempted suicide, etc.
Myabe they're just dropped plots that will never be expanded on alas MGSV. We don't know. I don't think they cut anything intentionally to seel it as a DLC, the game didn't give me that feeling. It's just a side effect of the 9382810 rewritings.
Yeah the off screen thing is incredibly apparent and annoying.