Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD

I said it before but if Lightning is a Goddess and JRPG protags kill gods that means Lightning should be at an inherent disadvantage.

It's like how Elephant loses to Mouse in that animal card game.
 
Falk said:
I said it before but if Lightning is a Goddess and JRPG protags kill gods that means Lightning should be at an inherent disadvantage.

It's like how Elephant loses to Mouse in that animal card game.
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But Lightning is a Goddess who kills God(s) though. That has to count for something.

And I think Square Enix (or maybe it was just Toriyama...) said some bullshit like how Caius was the most powerful FF Villain ever or some shit, and Lightning dogwalks him.
 
NoctisVsStar said:
Have you seen Battle of gods when goku and beerus are practically flying and fighting all across the world? Yup, that's him. Especially when he got all the swords and the ring... he's pretty rediculous.
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If what your referring to is Noctis Vs Ardyn's final battle, they just kinda speed through parts of the city and into the air throwing swords at each other occasionally. That's not all that impressive or overpowered compared to the rest of the franchise IMO.

Noctis doesn't even have conventional magic abilities, he has to use the ring, and the elemental magics are limited to the items. Without the elemental items and the ring, he's stuck with just throwing swords and occasionally flying
 
NoctisVsStar said:
Nah, trust me he's stronger than lightning... By a large margin.
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What? No he isn't.

Saviour Lightning has Galaxy level durability and destructive capacity. Noctis doesn't even have continental DC let alone speed to process a thought before Lightning erases him and the entirety of Eos.

Same for Cloud and Squall.
 
Hummmm Noctis has to sacrifice everything he had to kill the big bad at the end and only lives on in some sort of dreamworld/heaven vs Lightning (The goddess), killing previous world god with a pocket knife and having enough time to migrate to France.

Whos stronger!?
 
So is that the extent of Ardyn's background and motivations?

There was a demonic plague during his time, his body somehow cured the people that suffered from it, but this caused him to be rejected by the Crystal. Then he caught feelings about it for a few thousand years.
 
Inuhanyou said:
If what your referring to is Noctis Vs Ardyn's final battle, they just kinda speed through parts of the city and into the air throwing swords at each other occasionally. That's not all that impressive or overpowered compared to the rest of the franchise IMO.

Noctis doesn't even have conventional magic abilities, he has to use the ring, and the elemental magics are limited to the items.
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The Levi fight as well! But I guess he could be number 2. Dammit Toriyama
 
Falk said:
I said it before but if Lightning is a Goddess and JRPG protags kill gods that means Lightning should be at an inherent disadvantage.

It's like how Elephant loses to Mouse in that animal card game.
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Brilliant.
 
jett said:
So is that the extent of Ardyn's background and motivations?

There was a demonic plague during his time, his body somehow cured the people that suffered from it, but this caused him to be rejected by the Crystal. Then he caught feelings about it for a few thousand years.
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jett said:
So is that the extent of Ardyn's background and motivations?

There was a demonic plague during his time, his body somehow cured the people that suffered from it, but this caused him to be rejected by the Crystal. Then he caught feelings about it for a few thousand years.
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I'm more wondering how no one in the empire questioned that he wasn't aging considering he was involved with them for 30 years. Unless they knew.
 
The Omen trailer was a concept I would loved seeing more of. There really wasn't any hints that Noctis was capable of becoming evil. Also who is Regis taking to and who's death was he anticipating. Like it still doesn't make complete sense
 
sappyday said:
The Omen trailer was a concept I would loved seeing more of. There really wasn't any hints that Noctis was capable of becoming evil. Also who is Regis taking to and who's death was he anticipating. Like it still doesn't make complete sense
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Luna and Noctis. Both were fated to die.
 
Man that post-post credits scene is kinda sad and fucked up. Humanity is gone and hey, here is what could have been titanic style. Shits sad yo.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
Man that post-post credits scene is kinda sad and fucked up. Humanity is gone and hey, here is what could have been titanic style. Shits sad yo.
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I love titanic, so i freaked out when i saw that ending. they didn't even try to hide their inspirations.

Just like Noctis and Adryn was basically Neo and Smith's final battle from matrix 3, the titanic inspiration is so easily felt
 
The real question is whether or not this is the darkest ending in the franchise's history, like, regardless of whether they beat Ardyn, the planet's still fucked.
 
MechaX said:
But Lightning is a Goddess who kills God(s) though. That has to count for something.

And I think Square Enix (or maybe it was just Toriyama...) said some bullshit like how Caius was the most powerful FF Villain ever or some shit, and Lightning dogwalks him.
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Toriyama was big into letting these games stroke his ego. A creator with no limits will create ultra powerful characters for the sole purpose of bragging rights that "THEIR" characters are the best of ALL! A good creator knows the boundaries they shouldn't cross, and how to keep two feet on the ground while reaching for the stars while not gettin' tangled up in rose bushes while admiring their many qualities.
 
Crossing Eden said:
The real question is whether or not this is the darkest ending in the franchise's history, like, regardless of whether they beat Ardyn, the planet's still fucked.
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You didn't find the sunrise in the post credits scene to be significant?

Consider the World of Ruin setting.
 
Inuhanyou said:
I love titanic, so i freaked out when i saw that ending. they didn't even try to hide their inspirations.

Just like Noctis and Adryn was basically Neo and Smith's final battle from matrix 3, the titanic inspiration is so easily felt
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The real question is why haven't we seen someone paste the FFXV's cast onto footage from Titanic yet. Give it time I guess since it isn't officially out yet.
 
Crossing Eden said:
The real question is whether or not this is the darkest ending in the franchise's history, like, regardless of whether they beat Ardyn, the planet's still fucked.
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Huh? But my understanding was that the rest of humanity survived, but were in ruins, while insomnia and the kingdom of lucius was destroyed in order to save the rest of the world from falling into darkness because the Oracle was destroyed.

Is that not the case?
 
Did people miss out the ending? That's what happen when there is no context.

Noctis is dead and so is Luna. He sacrifices himself to bring light back to world. End credit scene is inspired from Titanic showing what could have been, but it doesn't hide that Noctis dies along with Luna.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
Man that post-post credits scene is kinda sad and fucked up. Humanity is gone and hey, here is what could have been titanic style. Shits sad yo.
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I kinda don't like it. I understand the tragedy but I feel like it robs Noctis' sacrifice of meaning if everyone just dies anyway. I'm pretty that's not what happens (or at least I hope that's not what happens) I wonder if there's any alternate endings like in Type Zero.

Also interesting how Titanic influences pop up albeit in different ways in recent games. Pokemon takes a note from it musically, while Final Fantasy uses a narrative device from it.
 
Crossing Eden said:
I'm more wondering how no one in the empire questioned that he wasn't aging considering he was involved with them for 30 years. Unless they knew.
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It's probably just a plot hole, but maybe he assumed completely different identities during his lifetime like Barthandelus in XIII - do we ever see what he looked like as a Lucian king, or the beginning of his involvement with Niflheim? He could have taken on a younger appearance and seemed to age for the subsequent decades, until it was no longer necessary to fake it.

Inuhanyou said:
Stronger than Lightning Goddess of FFX-2?
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ngl I do also find it vaguely amusing how Cor is hyped up as this insane badass, and he walks a few feet with you then dumps your ass again lol. I'm assuming he'll show up again before being completely forgotten by the plot =/
 
Inuhanyou said:
Huh? But my understanding was that the rest of humanity survived, but were in ruins, while insomnia and the kingdom of lucius was destroyed in order to save the rest of the world from falling into darkness because the Oracle was destroyed.

Is that not the case?
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It's the in ruins parts that get me, unless the Daemons disappear when Ardyn gets destroyed?
 
DarkLordMalik said:
Did people miss out the ending? That's what happen when there is no context.

Noctis is dead and so is Luna. He sacrifices himself to bring light back to world. End credit scene is inspired from Titanic showing what could have been, but it doesn't hide that Noctis dies along with Luna.
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honsesty that last scene was not needed it added nothing but an excuse to use the logo
 
Crossing Eden said:
It's the in ruins parts that get me, unless the Daemons disappear when Ardyn gets destroyed?
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There is an ending scene after the campfire that was cut early in the stream, where they show the world and the sun rises, and every place they show has no life in it except for the dog in one shot. And they dont just show the city but the gas station and shit and nobody is there. And then at the end they go up the stairs in the palace to an empty chair and then noctis appears sitting on the throne looking at the photo you choose, and luna appears next to them with some VO happening. Then the end and start a NG+ type of thing.
 
Sigh, here we go again.

Sharing my post from earlier this thread.

DarkLordMalik said:
Now that i have taken some time to take in the ending, I will talk in detail about what it felt to me.

As we have already heard from everyone who played the game, the story is a disjointed mess from start and won't start making sense until closer to the ending. There is a lot of content that feels like it was cut and some important information can be found through the lore scattered in the world. That said, the ending packs a really powerful punch and it did that for me, making it one of the most memorable FF ending. The story takes some massive leap of logic to get to the end but when we are there, we experience it first hand, it becomes clear what the game is all about. It is about the journey of Prince Noctis and his exact opposite persona is Ardyn. Once a notable king who was accused and banished to the darkness. It parallels to Noctis who is the rightful king that is fighting hard to reclaim his throne from him.

As for Luna x Noctis, again it is a huge missed opportunity that their relationship isn't conveyed in a proper way but saying that Luna was just doing everything for Noctis is completely wrong and does disservice to her character. We learn that Luna and Noctis have been childhood friends since growing up and he is engaged and set to marry Luna. It is clear that they both share a very beautiful bond of love between each other and this is seen in glimpses during the cutscenes and the way they communicated with each other was cute, I might add. So while it is established that Luna really holds Noctis dear to his heart despite her brother telling her multiple times that Noctis is not worthy to be a king, she has full faith in him. But this is just one side to Luna and the other side that has an equally important role in her sacrifice is her destiny as the Oracle to the people. To see what this really means to her, it is highly recommended to see the cutscene that is missable in the beginning of the game. It might be short but it shows a side of Luna that is missed during the main narrative and makes much of an impact during her big final speech in Altissia. So it is the culimination of these two points that she sacrifices her life to save Noctis and the people of Altissia, because it is her duty as an Oracle to protect them and also her love for Noctis.

Coming back to Noctis, he has to reclaim his throne but it is pretty evident right from the start that he is not prepared for it. So he freaks out once he learns that his father never told him that he would have to carry such a big task one day. He also has lack of confidence which is very apparent in the beginning few moments when he has to rely on his brotherhood friends. The thing is, as Noctis slowly begins to travel through his journey, he is continuously mentored by his friends like Gladious or Cor and Cid, who tell him clearly that it is his destiny and purpose to bring back the Kingdom of Lucis. By the end of the game, he pretty much has made his mind and decision so when he learn that he has to sacrifice himself to bring order and light back to the world, he accepts his fate and sets out to carry it leading into the ending clash. He knows he will die since it was his fate and the same was the case for Luna. The way it ended was that both fulfilled their role and were granted the chance to be together in the after life, beautifully conveyed by the whole ending scenario. Noctis no longer remains a sissy prince but mans up and reclaims his throne and willfully sacrifice his life to restore order to the world.

At the end of the day, Noctis x Luna both had a tragic ending and both knew it beforehand and accepted it. There was just no way for the game to end in a happy way and I am quite confident in saying this is one of my favorite FF ending.
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To add to it, after the 'Titanic' ending, there is a absolutely breathtaking scene with godly music that shows the World of Eos in real time as we slowly see the sun rising back up. We learn the World of Ruin is now more and Noctis' sacrifice has worked.
 
DarkLordMalik said:
Sigh, here we go again.

Sharing my post from earlier this thread.



To add to it, after the 'Titanic' ending, there is a absolutely breathtaking scene with godly music that shows the World of Eos in real time as we slowly see the sun rising back up. We learn the World of Ruin is now more and Noctis' sacrifice has worked.
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That sunrise happens before the titanic bit.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Huh? But my understanding was that the rest of humanity survived, but were in ruins, while insomnia and the kingdom of lucius was destroyed in order to save the rest of the world from falling into darkness because the Oracle was destroyed.

Is that not the case?
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As I mentioned before, I think people "survived", but by the end of the game, all the "kingdoms" have fallen(Tenebrae, Niflheim, Lucis) and there is no more royalty, so the power has reverted to the people, though the given how these sorts of situations lead to conflict, it doesn't seem that hopeful when you got groups of people vying for control of these areas. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
MagnaderAlpha said:
As I mentioned before, I think people "survived", but by the end of the game, all the "kingdoms" have fallen(Tenebrae, Niflheim, Lucis) and there is no more royalty, so the power has reverted to the people, though the given how these sorts of situations lead to conflict, it doesn't seem that hopeful when you got groups of people vying for control of these areas. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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true, but that's basically god of war 3's ending lol. no more gods, but the world of man continues
 
DiipuSurotu said:
The ending is purposely ambiguous like FFVII's ending (pre-Compilation).
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I was kinda expecting the bros to be there at the wedding.. but I guess it's just the afterlife. Their fate at the end is also ambiguous... although all of them died that's what I think. I guess the dlc will focus during the time noctis was hibernating.
 
DiipuSurotu said:
The ending is purposely ambiguous like FFVII's ending (pre-Compilation).
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FF7's ending wasn't ambiguous, everyone knew Aerith came in to save the day and stop meteor. There would be no point to her diving into the lifestream otherwise

NoctisVsStar said:
I was kinda expecting the bros to be there at the wedding.. but I guess it's just the afterlife. Their fate at the end is also ambiguous... although all of them died that's what I think. I guess the dlc will focus during the time noctis was hibernating.
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Some guy told me that there were times in the journey where party members would leave. I thought that would be the gang's DLC.

Like prompto falling off the train, what he was doing during that time ect
 
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