"YOU'RE DEAD MEAT!"
Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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"YOU'RE DEAD MEAT!"
vainglorious
Member
Well I guess that's up to interpretation since the game doesn't spell it out for us. When Ardyn absorbed the plague did he literally bring all of micro phytoorganisms that consume light into his body or did he just absorb enough of it to get fucked over and cursed? The game says he absorbed the starscourge when he was king, it doesn't say he's now the source of it because of his actions in the past, nor does it really tell us what the fuck Ifrit has been up to this entire time.
I dunno. It all sucks.
Mister Megative
Banned
Shoot.
I mentioned that a while ago in this thread. I know the game loves to put things off screen, unexplained, or up to interpretation, but the one aspect of that I really liked was Shiva. How she reacts to characters feels like she's sharing her past without being overt about it, and I love that! I don't want to see Shiva and Ifrit's past, just knowing that she didn't hate him despite them being on opposite side of everything. It's context through visual, atmosphere and feel done so damn well I think, both for Ifrit and Ardyn freezing scenes
I really don't get why some people don't like gentiana/ Shiva.
I liked him more than some of the recent FF villains (not that the competition is fierce) but I think a big part of that is the voice acting. The actor provides a great deal of slimy menace to what is an underwritten part.
(I still have no idea why he stabbed Luna, considering she was going to die anyway. Just for the hell of it, I guess?)
SoraanTribal
Member
I wonder why they chose to suddenly put Noctis in the suit outfit for the last part of the game and even the cg scenes. Like I was so confused thinking my game glitched when I noticed he suddenly changed clothes out of nowhere.
I know they are strewn about rest stops and popular local, but I wanna know what they all say. Maybe stuff about ifrit and the scourge is there? It probably isn't and it would excuse the game, but I just wonder
Oh fun fact, world of wonder is a magazine in the game world
Killer Queen
Banned
Yeah I loved that entire scene.
edgefusion
Member
Someone please explain Alterna to me and why it's useless.
theofficefan99
Junior Member
Also the beard, which doesn't look that great in the real-time graphics but looks epic on the CGI cutscenes.
You mean Kingsglaive because he wasn't in any CGI in the game
Sorry my BH about the lack of CGI isn't over
:S it's not unless you are fighting high level enemies. It's best to use when enemies are low in health so you can sweep
vainglorious
Member
Ardyn killed Luna to fuck with Noctis.
Literally everything about Luna's character is written to develop Noctos' character arc. From her motivations to her fucking death. They couldn't even let her die without it being about Noctis.
edgefusion
Member
Really? During Chapter 13 it was badass, now it's just a roomful of Miss Miss Miss Miss
Did you watch Kingsglaive? I think a lot of my foundation for enjoying Ardyn came from Kingsglaive.
First off, I loved Ardyn's voice actor. He lends a lot to why he is so good.
His mannerisms and lines really help get across his mad hatter vibe in the beginning of the game.
What really makes him an awesome villain, is everything he does from chapter 9 - chapter 15. He goes from mad hatter to murdering psychopath in an instant and the VA really helps sell this.
The train scene is really just an awesome scene and really pushes the narrative of "The guys are in way over their head."
Ardyn just demanded my full attention when he was on screen. His motives weren't telegraphed, like they are in so many other FF games.
Plus, his interactions with Noctis at the end of the game were just really well done. As much as people are hating on chapter 13, it really did sell the idea that this guy was not someone you take lightly.
TissueBox
Member
I think if they conveyed more about her character and her own feelings, along with Noctis' feelings for her, it would've been a more level arc. The fact that they both meant a lot to the other, even if Noct was the 'chosen', could've added the human element it needed, which would put their relationship (and its alleged complexity) at the forefront, not just a reminder of how important Noctis is.
The problem is a lot of the story gets lost in translation in-game, but the components exist there, somewhere.
The_blonde_and_blue
Member
So yeah, thoughts after finishing the game.
Some boss fights were horrible. Ravus, Ifrit, etc. Your team mates die way too often and I spent most of my time and items healing/reviving them. Chapter 13 was shit in just about every way. So many unusual decisions there.
Before the boat, I was digging the game. I thought that some story beats were missing, and it felt a little rushed, but tolerable overall. After the boat the pace gets weird, and I really started to see the seams and problems, and the rushed development became pretty apparent. After fighting with chapter 13, and the previously mentioned awful boss fights, my opinion had soured considerably.
Then that ending. Man, so much feeling (at least for me). For everything they messed up, I can't help but feel like the few things that were right helped push this game to market. I felt like they knew they had caught a hold of a little something special.
That being said, I'd have loved to play the ideal version of this game that matched their vision. It would have been something amazing.
Some boss fights were horrible. Ravus, Ifrit, etc. Your team mates die way too often and I spent most of my time and items healing/reviving them. Chapter 13 was shit in just about every way. So many unusual decisions there.
Before the boat, I was digging the game. I thought that some story beats were missing, and it felt a little rushed, but tolerable overall. After the boat the pace gets weird, and I really started to see the seams and problems, and the rushed development became pretty apparent. After fighting with chapter 13, and the previously mentioned awful boss fights, my opinion had soured considerably.
Then that ending. Man, so much feeling (at least for me). For everything they messed up, I can't help but feel like the few things that were right helped push this game to market. I felt like they knew they had caught a hold of a little something special.
That being said, I'd have loved to play the ideal version of this game that matched their vision. It would have been something amazing.
Iirc it's only really good against magitek troopers and daemons.
Emperor_Uriel
Member
Just finished it, first FF I've beaten since IX, and I really liked it.
The whole thing with Ignis's sudden injury was probably the strongest part of the story. You expect a key character or two to die in a game like this, but I don't think I've seen a game go "your most important ally is now disabled, go on a quest where they are a hindrance and feel awful about it."
Really, the narrative excelled whenever it focused on the core group and floundered whenever it moved away from them. The Empire was totally underdeveloped, and I can absolutely see a "play as Ravus" DLC showing how they collapsed. I never felt attached to Luna or most of the other supporting characters, either.
The story, much like Bioshock Infinite and Mass Effect 3, would have benefited greatly from more grounding. Once it moved into spirit realms and time skips and stuff, it lost me pretty badly despite the stellar ending.
Overall though, the game is still my favorite FF ever for the gameplay and world alone, and I think it came out in pretty great shape for the insane dev cycle it had.
The whole thing with Ignis's sudden injury was probably the strongest part of the story. You expect a key character or two to die in a game like this, but I don't think I've seen a game go "your most important ally is now disabled, go on a quest where they are a hindrance and feel awful about it."
Really, the narrative excelled whenever it focused on the core group and floundered whenever it moved away from them. The Empire was totally underdeveloped, and I can absolutely see a "play as Ravus" DLC showing how they collapsed. I never felt attached to Luna or most of the other supporting characters, either.
The story, much like Bioshock Infinite and Mass Effect 3, would have benefited greatly from more grounding. Once it moved into spirit realms and time skips and stuff, it lost me pretty badly despite the stellar ending.
Overall though, the game is still my favorite FF ever for the gameplay and world alone, and I think it came out in pretty great shape for the insane dev cycle it had.
We can only dream about a Ravus focused DLC.
AkirraKrylon
Member
Ardyn was a King and a healer. He was the original King of Light chosen by the crystal, but with absorbing the daemons they deemed him impure and stripped everything from him.
It says as much in the game, even when you enter the room in the citadel before the fight with Ardyn and examine the paintings. Noctis says "Ardyn should be in there paintings too" to which Gladio responds: "Yea. Never would have guessed the guy was royalty."
It is also why he has the ability to conjure the weapons and warp strike just like Noctis - he has royal blood.
Holy shit, you're so right.
I'm dying of laughter now.
what happened
SoraanTribal
Member
So what happened to Cor? Was he alive after the time skip? I expected him to be part of the story again. Especially when they went back to Insomnia.
Can't remember if Talcott mentioned him in the truck ride.
Can't remember if Talcott mentioned him in the truck ride.
Lack of more Cor in the game is one of its biggest travesties.
Dude could have been like another Auron.
SoraanTribal
Member
Yeah agreed. I really thought he would have had a larger role. My roommate forgot he even existed recently lol. He was like "who is Marshall?" lol
Of course, I also thought Luna would have a larger role..
We can only hope the new cutscenes we will get help flesh out these 2 characters.
Zomba13
Member
One of the best FF villains in recent history. Full of charisma, a great design, fantastic voice acting and a pretty damn cool backstory and motivation. I love how he was this good guy hero who the world turned on because of petty reasons and then he had his kingly status usurped.
Only thing I don't like is that seeing how he was so old and had been around so long, how did he fit in with the empire when he never ages (did they know? did they just know he was immortal?) and why his plan didn't complete sooner. Just like, two more cutscenes would've done. I know he wanted Noctis to have the Crystals power as a way of killing him and the Crystal but like, couldn't the whole "chosen one" have shown up earlier if he did more work? Did the demon stuff spread super slowly and that was why or did he just want to be forgotten and then strike out of nowhere?
Ardyn was not designed by Nomura iirc (at least not the outfit) but he's wearing what you would expect from a 2000 year old excentric mad fallen savior/lucifer living on the streets and that's what he is. He has elements from all of those in his story and in his costume.
Voice actor is portaying him as such. I have no complaint about him except that the game does him a disservice.
I would have liked the beast form boss but maybe that was better as he is.
Voice actor is portaying him as such. I have no complaint about him except that the game does him a disservice.
I would have liked the beast form boss but maybe that was better as he is.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I dont think you can fix Luna at this point
The "wing" is still WTF level bad.
Killer Queen
Banned
Ardyn Is an amazing character wtf. But yeah he needs like 2 more cutscenes.
Unknown One
Member
He is alive and so is Iris, Cindy, and Cid.
What about Jared?
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
I think Altissia is of a fine size.
Hell, I'd actually say it's too large in the final game just because of how little it's utilized.
There probably was a lot more to do there.
Mister Megative
Banned
GAF.
Devilinthiscity
Member
This game will be really divisive between the fanbase. I personally didn't think he was a great villain. He had a few good scenes, but overall he suffered from the rushed storytelling. It would have been cool seeing the build up of his true intentions with the Nifelheim empire. Ravus and the others are barely even used.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Ah, I must have missed this. I thought Izunia was always king.
I'm confused about that as well since iirc Ardyn says "a jealous king". But then again his true name is lucis caelum so he was probably king first and not Izunia.
Unknown One
Member
Sorry to break it to you....he died 10 years ago.
who remembers stuff like that
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
It is amazing in a sense that it was godly with the music and everything but I didn't like how easy it was. You can't lose if you have a phoenix down. Ardyn is a terrifying amazing villain and I'm sad to see he didn't get another form. My opinion on the final boss fight is that it is great but felt rushed. You even get the trophy for beating Ifrit on normal, not Ardyn.
AkirraKrylon
Member
contranova
Member
Do you guys think they will have Ifrit and Bahamut as a summon to appear in battle as a bonus for the future updates?
I really hope so, just because I was slightly dissapointed that we only have 4.
I really hope so, just because I was slightly dissapointed that we only have 4.
AkirraKrylon
Member
Bahamut maybe. Ifrit I doubt because he's all evil and hates you and stuff.