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[SkylineRKR]

Beat the Adamantoise. What a piece of shit. This battle took about an hour, and its not challenging, its not flowing well and its just not fun. For such a big enemy its hard to keep hitting him, lots of glitches and whiffs. I did the special counter attack once, which was pretty cool but I hoped it would do 100% damage on him as he is shit.

Tier 4 spells did about 30k, that worked well along with Gladio's dawnhammer, Armiger and the armiger finish.

 

[Ishida]

Jared being "fridged" is not real, he wasn't part of the main plot, he's barely there for 2 lines. His death, dosn't have any meaningful impact. Neither does seem Regis death, which Noctis seems to get over quite fast, only death that provokes a huge amount of anguish and a lasting effect is Luna.

He is killed during the main plot. He is not killed for a side quest.

His death does have meaningful impact for the characters.

The ammount of grieving is irrelevant to a character being fridged or not. What matters is that the death is used to push the main characters motivations.

Regis, Jared, Luna. All fit.

 

[Bladenic]

Beat the Adamantoise. What a piece of shit. This battle took about an hour, and its not challenging, its not flowing well and its just not fun. For such a big enemy its hard to keep hitting him, lots of glitches and whiffs. I did the special counter attack once, which was pretty cool but I hoped it would do 100% damage on him as he is shit.

Tier 4 spells did about 30k, that worked well along with Gladio's dawnhammer, Armiger and the armiger finish.

Did you try and attack his eye or neck? Haven't fought him yet but the guide states that the neck and especially eye take significantly more damage. Although even if you're doing 9999 per hit that's still like 500+ hits you gotta do so it's a long battle regardless.

 

[Charalambos]

He is killed during the main plot. He is not killed for a side quest.

His death does have meaningful impact for the characters.

The ammount of grieving is irrelevant to a character being fridged or not. What matters is that the death is used to push the main characters motivations.

Regis, Jared, Luna. All fit.

Pardon my ignorance but, who's Jared? I just finished the game 3 days ago? I've never heard of him.

 

[Mailbox]

Is there any lore at all about why some of these dungeons have pretty hi tech machinery inside, but look old as heck on the outside?

Remnants of a Solhiem empire maybe? I mean, I doubt Pitioss will ever be explained as if it were actually "canon" to the world since it's basically just a giant deathtrap but Costlemark and that one with the floating water are interesting from a lore view.

Yeah it's solhiem. It's talked about briefly that the empire was using ancient tech.

 

[Jonnax]

Pardon my ignorance but, who's Jared? I just finished the game 3 days ago? I've never heard of him.

The butler of Gladios's and Iris's family.

Talcott's grandfather.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Again that's a stupid ass excuse for why Cindy is dressed like she is. She's dressed like she is because male developers wanted her to be, regardless of what other people (i.e. Fans) said on the matter. So please stop using the dumb as fuck " IT'S A GAME IT'S NOT REAL" excuse to try and prove your point.

And you can also use a gun to fight guys with guns. Obviously there are fantastical elements in the game but THE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES have stated that XV was meant to be a closer to real life game than previous Final Fantasies.

I'm not trying to prove a point, I'm arguing yours.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

The Empire believes to have killed her.

Gentiana is still alive and helps Noctis throughout the game. Shiva is alive.



Well I guess Regis and Jared are females now.



They don't. The comparison is beyond stupid.

From my understanding, Shiva is not really "alive;" she is dead, along with the other summons. I presume Gentiana during story sequences, and the others during their summon sequences, are spirits.

 

[Bladenic]

Pardon my ignorance but, who's Jared? I just finished the game 3 days ago? I've never heard of him.

"Who the fuck is Jared" is the game's unofficial tag line

He's the old man you meet in Lestallum who's Talcott's grandpa (the kid who hangs around Cape Caem) and used to serve the Amiticia family. He's killed offscreen during chapter 4/5 and he's the reason you invade the Niflheim base in the chapter 5.

I'm not trying to prove a point, I'm arguing yours.

So you're arguing that the game being Fantasy based is a good reason to have Cindy dressed up like a "sexy mechanic on Halloween or a porn shoot" right? Just making sure.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Did you try and attack his eye or neck? Haven't fought him yet but the guide states that the neck and especially eye take significantly more damage. Although even if you're doing 9999 per hit that's still like 500+ hits you gotta do so it's a long battle regardless.

Yeah I did. But I couldn't stay in the air unless I kept on doing warp strikes. Why air dance doesn't work is beyond me.

So I kept on warp striking, and point warp when MP ran out along with using magitek boosters and the level 10 soup. First half went actually rather fast this way but the soup ran out and I got tired of warp strikes so I bashed the claws which does trigger Break and I always succeeded the 93k damage minigame.

But Platinum is in, never again.

 

[Charalambos]

The butler of Gladios's and Iris's family.

Talcott's grandfather.

Ohh wow that guy died? I must've missed it... I didn't even know that was his grandfather, I just thought he was a butler regular NPC for that INN at the start of the game.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

He is killed during the main plot. He is not killed for a side quest.

His death does have meaningful impact for the characters.

The ammount of grieving is irrelevant to a character being fridged or not. What matters is that the death is used to push the main characters motivations.

Regis, Jared, Luna. All fit.

Importance matters when discussing, how it matters than the only relevant female character in the game, gets fridged. No name male characters dosn't matter, because there's a lot of male relevant characters that aren't fridged. That's the whole point. The only main female character in the game gets fridged, Jared is one of the dozen male characters, that barely gets 2 lines and gets killed, good, there are like another half dozen that dosn't.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

So you're arguing that the game being Fantasy based is a good reason to have Cindy dressed up like a "sexy mechanic on Halloween or a porn shoot" right? Just making sure.

Im arguing that no good reason needs to exist in fantasy. Thats the benefit of fantasy. Sexy designs are just the ones people focus on, despite most designs in this game making no sense logically.

 

[Mailbox]

Importance matters when discussing, how it matters than the only relevant female character in the game, gets fridged. No name male characters dosn't matter, because there's a lot of male relevant characters that aren't fridged.

It realllly feels like you have selective memory with this game or something.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

It realllly feels like you have selective memory with this game or something.

Iris, Cindy? relevant in what way? Relevant in the same way as the four males? Shiva? who is simply a summon with a few cryptic lines?

Who stands in terms of plot relevance with the four males in this story, aside from Luna?

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Iris, Cindy? relevant in what way? Relevant in the same way as the four males? Shiva? who is simply a summon with a few cryptic lines?

Who stands in terms of plot relevance with the four males in this story, aside from Luna?

ignis and gladio are irrelevant to the main plot. They just have more screen time. This games story is a mess

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

ignis and gladio are irrelevant to the main plot. They just have more screen time. This games story is a mess

They may be irrelevant in the grand scheme, but they have a big focus on cutscenes, dialogues and unique side missions, they are part of your party 100% of the time (well, 99% of the time).

The fact is, this a male dominated FF game, where all the protagonists and major characters are male, except for Luna, and she gets fridged.

 

[Retsudo]

So i platinumed the game earlier today, and i was going through Prompto's photos when suddendly!!!

 

[Ganon Dragmire]

I was gonna write some long thing to express how I feel about this game, but alot of people have already covered this including some things I like about this game. In the end I'll let Ardyn sum it up:

10 years and all I have is a $300 hole in my bank account and a an incomplete game.

 

[LiK]

So i platinumed the game earlier today, and i was going through Prompto's photos when suddendly!!!

LOL

 

[TheGeniusArcana]

The butler of Gladios's and Iris's family.

Talcott's grandfather.

He was their butler? I just thought he was a random old guy who was there for some reason. It took me a few minutes to even piece together who "Jared" was when everyone suddenly started talking about him because he literally did nothing. Such an awful ploy at an emotional death lmao.

 

[Ishida]

Importance matters when discussing, how it matters than the only relevant female character in the game, gets fridged. No name male characters dosn't matter, because there's a lot of male relevant characters that aren't fridged. That's the whole point. The only main female character in the game gets fridged, Jared is one of the dozen male characters, that barely gets 2 lines and gets killed, good, there are like another half dozen that dosn't.

Importance doesn't matter. As long as a character's death pushes the main character's motivation forward, then that character was fridged.

It's absolutely irrelevant if you as a player connected to the character or not. What's important is that the main character considers them important enough to start a crusade to avenge them. Jared, as irrelevant as he may be for us players, was clearly an important person for Noctis.

 

[nOoblet16]

So i platinumed the game earlier today, and i was going through Prompto's photos when suddendly!!!

Ay lmao !

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Importance doesn't matter. As long as a character's death pushes the main character's motivation forward, then that character was fridged.

It's absolutely irrelevant if you as a player connected to the character or not. What's important is that the main character considers them important enough to start a crusade to avenge them. Jared, as irrelevant as he may be for us players, was clearly an important person for Noctis.

Importance matters, when your game features only one woman as a key character on a game which already features an all male party, and you get it fridged.

Is like the whole point flew over your head.

 

[dramatis]

Wow there is some ridiculous spinning going on to try and justify poor writing.

Importance matters. Even if you write about the MacGuffin Crystal needed to unlock the Blah Blah, that MacGuffin Crystal has to be written as important. And that's an object, not even a character!

 

[-Ryn]

Welp, I finally beat the game. It was a hell of a ride and I had a lot of fun too. I kept jumping between ecstatic, sad, hopeful, and just confused by the end of it all though.

As usual, the bros were the heart of it all, but why did Noctis have to die? Hell, why did he even need to go into the spirit realm? Why was he stuck in the crystal for 10 freakin years? What's the deal with humans turning into daemons? Are humans actually linked to daemons somehow or is it really just a virus that corrupts people plain and simple? Why did Ardyn become immortal in the first place? That's ridiculous as a punishment... I don't know. I have so many questions for what felt like an ending that was more bitter than sweet for the sake of tugging my heart strings rather than because it made sense.

It was certainly a great game in many ways though. Props to all the people at Square who made such a work of passion.

So you're arguing that the game being Fantasy based is a good reason to have Cindy dressed up like a "sexy mechanic on Halloween or a porn shoot" right? Just making sure.

Dude, why is it such an issue?

As a character she is great (self confident, independent, reliable, and smart) and there are people in real life who will dress like that. Is it something you see often? No. Does it make much sense for a mechanic? Of course not. But I saw a dude walking around shirtless with muscled bod in the cold last month. This stuff happens.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

So i platinumed the game earlier today, and i was going through Prompto's photos when suddendly!!!

KAGEBUNSHIN NO JUTSU

I don't think anyone is going to argue that Jared's death wasn't poorly written. Conceptually, he has a reason to be important to Noctis, and there is (again, conceptually) a solid reason for the group to be angry at the death of someone who was basically Alfred Pennyworth levels of kind old defenseless man. It even kinda makes sense why his death would upset them more visibly than Regis, who could use magic and was a big important political figure. Jared was just the butler, and he was really nice, too! And the empire killed him (by using his innocent grandson to find out where he was to boot)

All of that is poorly told and does not earn the player's affection at all. But it is conceptually sound.

Re: Cindy/Cidney: Poor design, decent character. I ended up liking her personality despite the ridiculous Brazzers outfit

 

[Bladenic]

It's not big an issue but I don't think there's any point to making excuses for it because at the end of the day she's designed that way because of the developers intent and their intent was clearly to titilate.

Personally I hate Cindy's tryhard hick accent way more than her outfit but oh well.

 

[Ishida]

Importance matters, when your game features only one woman as a key character on a game which already features an all male party, and you get it fridged.

Is like the whole point flew over your head.

Wrong again. The sole definition is for a character important to the mail character being killed in order to further the main character's motivations or kickstart a new set of motivations.

All 3 characters I mentioned fit the bill. The point clearly flew over YOUR head, not mine.

 

[Lunafreya Nox Fleuret]

Jared was of no impact to me and I'm not sure why the bros attacked a whole fucking base over him. I mean, sure... maybe if he had more than 2 mins of screen time i'd care.

 

[Alucrid]

i wish iris died instead of jared

 

[Pantz]

I like the way Cindy and Shiva look, they couldn't be more perfect.

 

[Mailbox]

I wish the insomnia dungeon was bigger

i wish iris died instead of jared

You're a horrible human being

Wrong again. The sole definition is for a character important to the mail character being killed in order to further the main character's motivations or kickstart a new set of motivations.

All 3 characters I mentioned fit the bill. The point clearly flew over YOUR head, not mine.

I mean, to be fair their all problems and have super underutilized and disappointing characters. None of them have close to enough screen time. Someone somewhere pointed out how Luna is basically them trying to do aerith again but done wrong, and I'd agree to that.

I honestly think Luna's fridging would be less of an issue if we had more than 4-5 short cutscenes about her prior to her death

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Wrong again. The sole definition is for a character important to the mail character being killed in order to further the main character's motivations or kickstart a new set of motivations.

All 3 characters I mentioned fit the bill. The point clearly flew over YOUR head, not mine.

Let's say that Jared is fridged, as ridiculous as that is.

Ok. Now let's imagine a scenario in which a game features 10 males and just 1 female, then the game kills one male and the one female. On a game with a very poor female representation, you kill off the only females that matters, showing she was only a plot device for the main character, a male, grow up.

The one female being fridged, matters the most, because females are the ones who gets more fridged in this industry, and because the female representation in this game is poor as what was, and now you killed off the only female, the main heroine, that matters a damn in this scenario.

Yes, importance matters, when discussing the female representation on a game and their role on it.

So yes, point flew over your head, once again.

 

[Ishida]

Let's say that Jared is fridged, as ridiculous as that is.

Ok. Now let's imagine a scenario in which a game features 10 males and just 1 female, then the game kills one male and the one female. On a game with a very poor female representation, you kill off the only females that matters, showing she was only a plot device for the main character, a male, grow up.

The one female being fridged, matters the most, because females are the ones who gets more fridged in this industry, and because the female representation in this game is poor as what was, and now you killed off the only female, the main heroine, that matters a damn in this scenario.

Yes, importance matters, when discussing the female representation on a game and their role on it.

So yes, point flew over your head, once again.

Now let's say Jared didn't get fridged, which is false, but whatever.

That leaves us with Regis and Luna. Both of them are killed for Noctis to have motivation. And if you are seriously going to argue that Luna is way more important than Regis in the plot, I don't know what else to tell you.

Funny that at no point you have complained about Regis being fridged. Not once. Only Luna. You are being massively one-sided.

 

[Pygrus]

Let's say that Jared is fridged, as ridiculous as that is.

Ok. Now let's imagine a scenario in which a game features 10 males and just 1 female, then the game kills one male and the one female. On a game with a very poor female representation, you kill off the only females that matters, showing she was only a plot device for the main character, a male, grow up.

The one female being fridged, matters the most, because females are the ones who gets more fridged in this industry, and because the female representation in this game is poor as what was, and now you killed off the only female, the main heroine, that matters a damn in this scenario.

Yes, importance matters, when discussing the female representation on a game and their role on it.

So yes, point flew over your head, once again.

Luna's goal was to see that Noctis gets the blessing of the gods for the king. She did achieve her goal even if she did die.

Luna was actually qa pretty decent female character, she just didn't get enough exposition.

 

[PshycoNinja]

Importance matters, when your game features only one woman as a key character on a game which already features an all male party, and you get it fridged.

Is like the whole point flew over your head.

I know people like to use the word "fridged" here when it comes to Luna, so I had to look up the terminology of the word to educate what that meant and how a character falls into this catagory.

And while she was partially killed because Ardyn wanted to get a rise out of Noctis, (And I see this is the point to add the "fridged" term to) he also killed her because her actions and plans were actively interfering with his own. Her actions were actively preventing him from moving to the next part of his plan. So she was killed primarily for that reason, to get her out of the way and to get his plan back on track. It just so happened that for Ardyn it had the added bonus of getting a rise out of Noctis.

So while I can see why you might attach "fridged" to Luna's story, it's not wholly accurate and ignores the actions and plans in motion both Luna and Ardyn had.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Now let's say Jared didn't get fridged, which is false, but whatever.

That leaves us with Regis and Luna. Both of them are killed for Noctis to have motivation. And if you are seriously going to argue that Luna is way more important than Regis in the plot, I don't know what else to tell you.

Funny that at no point you have complained about Regis being fridged. Not once. Only Luna. You are being massively one-sided.

Because there's another half dozen males that are equally or more important, and didn't get fridged, yet the only female on a game, with a piss poor female representation, that is worth a damn in the whole game, is fridged.

Yes, obviously I'm one sided against the fact that Luna gets fridged, and is actually the death that matters most for the character as shown in the game.

Luna's goal was to see that Noctis gets the blessing of the gods for the king. She did achieve her goal even if she did die.

Luna was actually qa pretty decent female character, she just didn't get enough exposition.

Luna's goal is to serve Noctis and act according her destiny, she has zero agency and becomes a plot device.

Decent my ass.

I know people like to use the word "fridged" here when it comes to Luna, so I had to look up the terminology of the word to educate what that meant and how a character falls into this catagory.

And while she was partially killed because Ardyn wanted to get a rise out of Noctis, (And I see this is the point to add the "fridged" term to) he also killed her because her actions and plans were actively interfering with his own. Her actions were actively preventing him from moving to the next part of his plan. So she was killed primarily for that reason, to get her out of the way and to get his plan back on track. It just so happened that for Ardyn it had the added bonus of getting a rise out of Noctis.

So while I can see why you might attach "fridged" to Luna's story, it's not wholly accurate and ignores the actions and plans in motion both Luna and Ardyn had.

The plot reason dosn't matter, what matters is the intention of that plot. The intention of the writters was to create a situation for Noctis to grief and act as a catalyst for his grown and motivations.

 

[LiK]

Wth, Goblin locked a door on me in a Boluve Mines and I can't get to the boss. How do I progress?

Edit: ah, needed to backtrack. Guides don't even mention it. Man, quality has gone down with FAQs these days.

 

[toastyToast]

So thirsty we're talking about Jared un-ironically. What have you done Square Enix?

 

[Ishida]

Because there's another half dozen males that are equally or more important, and didn't get fridged, yet the only female on a game, with a piss poor female representation, that is worth a damn in the whole game, is fridged.

Yes, obviously I'm one sided against the fact that Luna gets fridged, and is actually the death that matters most for the character as shown in the game.

And Regis.

Regis' death is the thing that kickstarts Noctis' entire journey.

And it's just hilarious that you are now contradicting yourself (Although not really surprising) First you complain about the only "important female" in the game is fridged, and then you go on with "she's worth a damn in the whole game".

 

[Mailbox]

Luna's goal was to see that Noctis gets the blessing of the gods for the king. She did achieve her goal even if she did die.

Luna was actually qa pretty decent female character, she just didn't get enough exposition.

Yeah, this is pretty much were I stand with Luna. Needed way more scenes of her prior to altissia tbh.

I know people like to use the word "fridged" here when it comes to Luna, so I had to look up the terminology of the word to educate what that meant and how a character falls into this catagory.

And while she was partially killed because Ardyn wanted to get a rise out of Noctis, (And I see this is the point to add the "fridged" term to) he also killed her because her actions and plans were actively interfering with his own. Her actions were actively preventing him from moving to the next part of his plan. So she was killed primarily for that reason, to get her out of the way and to get his plan back on track. It just so happened that for Ardyn it had the added bonus of getting a rise out of Noctis.

So while I can see why you might attach "fridged" to Luna's story, it's not wholly accurate and ignores the actions and plans in motion both Luna and Ardyn had.

Honestly, this is a pretty fair assessment of the situation. Unlike most "fridgings" which have a female character simply used to provoke the male protagonist, this one is more of a byproduct of other ambitions of the antagonist.

Didn't really think about it that way, but you're right.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Wish I got the Zwill earlier, they're fucking awesome.

The boss, lets call him Omega Weapon, was a pushover at level 90, though you'll be killed ofcourse (pretty much only by that dumb red AoE). Got fucking Titan for the first time there. Talk about summon balance. He appeared when everyone else was dead, maybe thats his condition?

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

And Regis.

Regis' death is the thing that kickstarts Noctis' entire journey.

And it's just hilarious that you are now contradicting yourself (Although not really surprising) First you complain about the only "important female" in the game is fridged, and then you go on with "she's worth a damn in the whole game".

yet the only female on a game, with a piss poor female representation, that is worth a damn in the whole game

English is not my first language, but that is not what I said, quite the contrary. At least my intention was that.

 

[Mailbox]

edit: its weird, after costlemark and fighting that gauntlet room full of 3 red giants and a nagarani and flans 3 times, I felt exausted and didn't wanna play anymore. Yet now I have an itch to play again. This game can be pretty addicting lol

Wish I got the Zwill earlier, they're fucking awesome.

The boss, lets call him Omega Weapon, was a pushover at level 90, though you'll be killed ofcourse (pretty much only by that dumb red AoE). Got fucking Titan for the first time there. Talk about summon balance. He appeared when everyone else was dead, maybe thats his condition?

Yeah, that's the trigger for Titan. Ramuh has to do with fight length and if you are in danger (I got ramuh 4 times in costlemark lol) Shiva is random, and leviathan I think is the same as titan but you need to be near water.

 

[Tyaren]

Did someone choose a Jared pic yet for Noctis and Luna's wedding? XD

 

[SkylineRKR]

edit: its weird, after costlemark and fighting that gauntlet room full of 3 red giants and a nagarani and flans 3 times, I felt exausted and didn't wanna play anymore. Yet now I have an itch to play again. This game can be pretty addicting lol



Yeah, that's the trigger for Titan. Ramuh has to do with fight length and if you are in danger (I got ramuh 4 times in costlemark lol) Shiva is random, and leviathan I think is the same as titan but you need to be near water.

I feel Ramuh is the only one who can be called up when inside. I don't think I've seen others indoors.

I got Leviathan against Ardyn, And I think I was doing ok. There is no water there too. But maybe its only random for this particular fight.

 

[PshycoNinja]

The plot reason dosn't matter, what matters is the intention of that plot. The intention of the writters was to create a situation for Noctis to grief and act as a catalyst for his grown and motivations.

The result is that Noctis grows from her death, yes. Usually that's what character deaths do to other characters.

But Ardyn's plan, and therefore the plot, would not have moved forward without Luna's death. There was more behind her death than motivating Noctis. Therefore, I don't believe "fridged" isn't the correct nomenclature to use for her character and story. I accept you may not like the series of events that lead to her death, but I don't really accept the "fridged" tag given to her do to how "fidged" is described.

 

[Clear]

edit: its weird, after costlemark and fighting that gauntlet room full of 3 red giants and a nagarani and flans 3 times, I felt exausted and didn't wanna play anymore. Yet now I have an itch to play again. This game can be pretty addicting lol

You do realize you don't have to fight in the big trap room until the post game right? Because the only thing of note in there is the access point to the locked gate area.

If you end up on that floor, just hit up the menu and return to the entrance. Progress is saved regardless and there's no penalty for doing it. Getting to the boss and the weapon is entirely unrelated, because if you end up down there you must have overshot the entrance to the place you're looking for.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

The result is that Noctis grows from her death, yes. Usually that's what character deaths do to other characters.

But Ardyn's plan, and therefore the plot, would not have moved forward without Luna's death. There was more behind her death than motivating Noctis. Therefore, I don't believe "fridged" isn't the correct nomenclature to use for her character and story. I accept you may not like the series of events that lead to her death, but I don't really accept the "fridged" tag given to her do to how "fidged" is described.

The term (sometimes formed as "fridging") was popularized by comic book writer Gail Simone through her website "Women in Refrigerators." On that site, Simone compiled a list of instances of female comic book characters who were killed off as a plot device.

Women in Refrigerators is a site by Gail Simone, created in March 1999, to list super-heroines who have been "either de-powered, raped, or cut up and stuck in the refrigerator" in an effort to illustrate that female superheroes are disproportionately likely to be brutalized in comic books, usually to further the character arc of male super heroes.

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