toastyToast
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Poor Fred is going to be slightly less OP for a while ;_;
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Fire Emblem Awakening |OT2| PAL reinforcements
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Poor Fred is going to be slightly less OP for a while ;_;
This game could have used more awesome maps like Nah's.
Try Steel. It's one rank down after all.
I swear we have 1 post about how OP Fred is every 5 pages, and then like 4-5 post about how weak he actually is.
Edit: Also, I wanted to check CoY1 on lunatic. Didn't expect the map to be that difficult.
SolarKnight
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Fred was never ever going to remain OP and in fact was going to begin making the transition to sucking if you've been properly training everyone else.
Fun map. And now you know to keep your units well supplied and prepared for anything haha.
Gotta continue the cycle.
Yeah, it was defintely a good lesson. I mean, I was playing a lot of challenge missions to build support for Nowi before playing Nahs mission, and those were like a breeze, so I completely forgot to look at items and such.
The sad thing is that I only realized everything was about to break when I was at the last part of the map, same level as the boss. I almost went crazy. @_@Hours Left
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Except that he's not weak either. No one in this game is weak.
Tell that to Sumia and Eliza (? - the dancer).
dakkumauji
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Well when you can grind no unit is truly weak.
Yeah, that. Well. Olivia really is. That or I dont know how to play/build her. @_@
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Olivia can dance abuse, she's practically excluded from being called weak.
SolarKnight
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Yeah, if this was any other FE Frederick would be kinda screwed wouldn't he?
But time, man, time is Anna aka money!
If we had to allocate one hour a day for this game, I'd rather spend that hour making progress with already-good-enough characters than the whip-them-to-shape characters.
Hours Left
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Even when she's not a Dancer, she's a fine unit. Speedy sword lady.
You can make any unit in this game viable in less than 10 minutes.
Like that matters.
Some are already viable, some aren't.
Let's say they're all viable. So what? Some of them are more viable than the others.
Iunno, like Tharja and Henry in their respective recruit chapters.
How so? Winning two challenges will take 10 minutes more or less. And those alone wont make any character viable. Considering its a very low level character to start with.
Hours Left
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Because then you can use who you want. I'd rather have a party of character I like rather than a party of already strong units because they were convenient.
Choice is king.
Turn off animations and turn on skip turns. Pair a weak character with a stronger character and use a Reeking Box on a map that is scaled to their current level. Boom, an instant 5-10 levels in about 5 minutes. Rinse and repeat.
Damn you Infinite Regalia. I already have like 20 Lunas and Gradivus. I just want 1 Ragnell.
Probably. His growth rates seem pretty bad to me when he's a Great Knight.
Yeah, so would I.
Probably. His growth rates seem pretty bad to me when he's a Great Knight.
Yeah, so would I.
dakkumauji
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At least he has 'decent' growths to where he could become pretty good in those 20 levels even with his lackluster base.
There have been plenty of other characters in other games with terrible bases and terrible growth rates. Hi, Cecilia!
Yeah I don't know how would you get enough money to keep doing that and still get new weapons w/o the dlc. Maybe if you are lucky with event tiles or play little every day so you can have barracks events to get new weapons.
It's true you can grind, but is better to warn people that overusing fred means you will have to grind. Some people don't like that.
SolarKnight
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Yeah, while it's certainly relatively fast, it doesn't take managing the weapons into account, not to mention that outside of normal mode, Reeking Boxes aren't exactly the best way to grind.
Pretty much. Fred is certainly usable, but you'll need more grinding to make him as good as other units would be. If one really wants to use him, go ahead there's no problem with that, but you need to keep in mind that previous point.
Pretty much. Fred is certainly usable, but you'll need more grinding to make him as good as other units would be. If one really wants to use him, go ahead there's no problem with that, but you need to keep in mind that previous point.
Hours Left
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You'll get more money from doing one skirmish to replace any weapons used. I'm pretty sure going broke in this game is impossible. (And if you're playing a difficulty with expensive Reeking Boxes, just substitute SpotPass teams and/or DLC maps.)
You shouldn't overly rely on Frederick, but you shouldn't be afraid to use him either. (This goes for any unit.) This Fire Emblem is not like other Fire Emblems (besides Sacred Stones), you can't screw yourself over permanently in this game. (Unless you let all your units die and you don't want to use SpotPass characters.)
dakkumauji
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So if we're ignoring growths, then what on earth are we even basing these two characters on then?
Their base stats?
Henry has much more skill and luck with slightly less speed, so he'll more likely actually hit stuff though I guess he has the danger of getting double'd.
Their starting chapter?
Henry comes at the start, while Tharja comes pretty much at the mid or the end, depending on how fast you are charging through. This means Tharja has less enemies to deal with since at most you'll have wyverns coming down and just the enemies inside the ruin. While Henry has literally enemies coming from all sides, so of course Tharja will do better since she has less enemies to deal with since you pretty much took care of them all!
Speed is the name of the game mang. Wait, Dark Mages miss even with their atrocious Skill? lol
You have Tharja for a while before you get Henry so she'll be getting levels before he does right? That's what I'm saying... I think... probably.
SolarKnight
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Why do you say tha-
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...Oh, right.
Them abs.
toastyToast
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Fred eats everything free after 5 chapters, and 2 sidequests/challenges
Only useful characters I have are MC, Chrom, Lon qu and the archer, the rest are straight ass. Just got Ricken and Merribelle so I'm not sure about them. When does everyone else stop being so useless?
Shocklances.
(Although honestly she's kind of crap with her mag growth as well)
You know why all your other characters are so free? It's because Freddie is eating their growth
I can dry my clothes on them.
She doubles everything though.
But so does Cordelia. She also has a better Str growth. And better classes.
Sumia got screwed :/
He'll be useless soon. Seems like you screwed up the rest of your characters by making Frederick take up valuable EXP.
Around Ch 5-7 if you not use Fred in my experience. Not everyone but you would have at least 6 units that can fight really well with some strategy involved (not AFK press A wait for enemies to kill themselves to you)
naw, Toasty can still roll through the game with just MU and Chrom paired up.
Hours Left
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But again, this is very easily remedied. Go to a past map, use a Reeking box and fight with your under leveled characters. (Don't have a Reeking Box? Summon a weak SpotPass team.)
toastyToast
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I've only used him as a battering ram in bad situations or when I have to go through a tight space has a bunch of enemies on the other end. I'm speaking to being able to do that as opposed to solo'ing the whole map with him. No one else could take a barrage from more than one enemy and their damage output isn't nearly as good either.
Ok cool, everyone is around level 4 or so except Sully who has been consistently useless. Don't tell me I should be using her...
Also, should Donny be tagging along already? Already read he becomes awesome
Absolutely.
Cordelia is a fucking beast. Lvl 1 Hero with lvl 25 stats all around. This isn't even my final form.
SolarKnight
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If you train Donny enough to reclass him he becomes a death machine much better than Fred tbh.
Are you pairing everyone up? Because that helps a lot.
To be able to train Donny you would need other units that can hold their own. You don't have to use everyone, but you will need Fred to support Donny to train him (so he gets bonus to Str and Def, to survive) so basically Fred would be out of most of your battles until God decides to wake up.