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Fire Emblem Fates |OT| Nohr does what Hoshidon't
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pokemonsquared
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It was Mangs. Didn't mention effie because she's generally considered a top tier unit.
NeonZ
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It carries over the visit/battle points and the logbook. That's it.
I've got some time to kill so I figured i'd do a unit ranking list for Conquest on Lunatic.
Top
Corrin
Camilla
Jakob
Azura
Xander
Corrin is a powerful/flexible unit that can go Cavalier, Ninja, Wyvern Rider, or hold off on the Heart Seal for a bit and perform well in their base class. Unparalleled boss killing utility and you really need to lean on them in many chapters. Camilla is an extremely good unit that immediately proves her worth in her joining chapter. High mobility, excellent combat (the Dual Club gives her WT control) and a great personal ability make her into a staple unit. Paladin!Jakob absolutely demolishes the early game, still hangs on for a bit in the midgame, and ends up as Corrin's best pair up bot when his combat falls off due to his ridiculous personal ability. He's pretty much this game's Seth, lol. Azura's the refresher, and the best in the series at that. Xander dominates, but he's not as godlike as you think, since his contributions start at chapter 16, he faces WTD a lot and his effectiveness is muted in certain chapters (ie: chapter 19). That said, he's still an extremely powerful and reliable unit, with his top class tanking ability, ridiculous unpenalized 1-2 range and +Speed supports letting him double pretty much anything. If you're stuck, you can pretty much count on him to bail you out of anything. (ie: Killing Hans, or doubling that damn hexing rod maid in Chapter 26
High
Elise
Leo
Niles
Gunter
Felica
Kaze
Keaton
Elise's staff support is 2nd to none, and she joins extremely early. Freeze, Enfeeble, etc are consistently amazing throughout the game and her personal also happens to be one of the very best in the game, since it makes it so much easier for your tanks to operate. Leo is by far and away the best mage Conquest. His high magic, bulk, movement and unpenalized 1-2 range make him one of your best offensive units, and like Xander, his Speed issues can easily be fixed. Forged Lightning lets him kill pretty much anything before they can retaliate, and he also has WT control via the Calamity Gate. Finally, his overkill Res, good bulk and personal tome make him the best mage killer in the game (you'll want one in chapter 26, lol). Niles is the definition of clutch. He's got an excellent early game combat due to his high Speed and deceptively solid Strength growth. He also offers locktouch utility so you basically need to use him (or Kaze) if you want to make money. He really comes into his own when he promotes though, since he gets 9 move as a Bow Knight and can do so much with it (like ferry slower units, reach far away enemies and snipe him, etc.) He (and his daughter) also has natural access to Pass and trust me you're going to want to pick that up since Endgame basically necessitates it.
Felicia and Gunter are pretty much good for the same reasons. There's a brief period of time when their combat is passable, but for the most part they're just there to make Corrin even better. Felicia doesn't dominate in the early game like Jakob, but she has decent combat as a strategist, her pair up bonuses and personal are fantastic on a Mag!Corrin, and she's actually still a good unit when she joins second (unlike Jakob). Gunter's pair up bonuses (as a Wyvern Lord) are fantastic and his personal is especially handy for dealing with hard to hit enemies (i'm goddamn looking at you Kotaro) since +15% hit makes a big difference He's also pretty much the only character that lets Corrin make use out of Nohrian Trust on Conquest. Kaze's basically good for the same reasons as Niles. Locktouch utility + supporting combat is good. He's your only natural Ninja and his mage killing is also very good (though his lowish health means he can be overtaken by several mages). Pair up bonuses are great and his personal ability can literally prevent a unit from dying. Keaton's a baller. Solid bases and the ability to do damage, but his speed is iffy and his growth is a coin flip. If he turns out poorly, he's unquestionably Camilla's best pair up option (and the resulting Velouria is a super unit).
Mid
Selena
Effie
Silas
Arthur
Beruka
Peri
Selena is swordlocked and has mediocre combat, but she's incredibly flexible. She can go Bow Knight and do okay in that, she can function as your only Falcoknight (ie: High move, Rally Speed and staff utility), and is one of the only speed boosting pair up units. Her combat will drop off hard, but unlike the rest of mid tier you can still justify using her. I find Effie to be overrated, but her earlygame tanking utility cannot be ignored (especially if you're using Male Corrin since you don't get Jakob) and her pair up bonuses are really useful. Promoting her early is ideal since her combat will drop off hard, and there's a brief period of time where her combat will be incredible. (Seriously her Javelin use is a thing of beauty). Silas is good, but so much worse on Conquest. He's a mounted unit, but his Speed is incredibly shaky, and if he gets Speed screwed he's done for. Conquest is incredibly light on speed pair ups as well, and he comes with E-rank lances to add insult to injury. That said, he's pretty helpful when he's relevant and like most male units he can pass on the torch to Sophie when he falls out of use. Arthur is seriously underrated as a unit. His luck is abysmal, but it doesn't matter when his primary use is to finish off/weaken enemies with Attack Stance or Hand Axe, and he actually has the bulk to take hits during the enemy phase (especially when he gets Sol). His growths are disgustingly good and axes are the best weapon type on Conquest. When his combat falls of he can pass to torch to Percy (who is one of the best units in the game).
Beruka's Camilla 0.5, but that isn't a bad thing considering how good Camilla is. She suffers from slow Speed and middling power, so her combat won't last forever, but she's good when she's relevant and she still has Wyvern utility. Peri's a pretty solid unit but has the unfortunate distinction of joining near the end of the earlygame and has somewhat low defense. That said, her offensive growths are great, she only needs a small boost to get going which comes in the form of her best pair up option (Laslow) and her personal is pretty cool. Contrary to popular belief, her issue isn't that she competes with Silas or Xander, but rather that it's difficult to make room for her.
Low
Laslow
Izana
Shura
Flora
Laslow is the picture of a mediocre unit. He joins lateish like Peri but has little to make up for it, and he's swordlocked at that. No real reason to use him, and Soleil isn't that great either of a unit either. Izana's actually an amazing mage with a good staff rank, he just joins extremely late. One of the best filler units for sure. Shura's a decent unit. Make as many boots jokes as you like, but his bases are great for his class and even has a decent staff rank to start out. That said, his growths are poor and you rarely have room for him. He's a great filler unit though. Flora's yet another lategame filler unit, but her saving grace is that she starts at B-rank staff. Elise reaaaaaaally makes her redundant though.
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Odin*
Charlotte*
Nyx*
Benny
Mozu
Odin, Charlotte, Nyx and Mozu are basically unusable without extreme favoritism. Odin is only notable for Ophelia's paralogue, and Ophelia herself is pretty good. Charlotte arguably has the best pair up bonuses in the game, giving her Husband a whopping +8 Strength/ +5 Speed (and even her friends get a solid 7/4 Speed so she's good with pretty much any physical unit) and is honestly a mid or even high tier character with that factored in. Nyx is a lesser version of Charlotte, since she gives her husbando +3 Magic /+6 Speed, but only Leo really wants her. He's pretty bad; joins at the point in the game where Effie's a much better tank because she does a ton damage during EP, and you're not really hurting for defense at that point. He's also slow as molasses (so doubled forever) and he doesn't really pair off well with anyone. There's never really have a point where he shines either. He's okay during his join chapter, not really great in chapter 14 since his movement is atrocious, literally unusable in 15, and then outclassed forever because Xander shows up in chapter 16. Mozu requires a heap ton of EXP (that can be used on other, better characters) in order to turn into a decent Sniper, but why do you need Sniper on Conquest when having an actual EP is just as, if not more important than a PP?
Top
Corrin
Camilla
Jakob
Azura
Xander
Corrin is a powerful/flexible unit that can go Cavalier, Ninja, Wyvern Rider, or hold off on the Heart Seal for a bit and perform well in their base class. Unparalleled boss killing utility and you really need to lean on them in many chapters. Camilla is an extremely good unit that immediately proves her worth in her joining chapter. High mobility, excellent combat (the Dual Club gives her WT control) and a great personal ability make her into a staple unit. Paladin!Jakob absolutely demolishes the early game, still hangs on for a bit in the midgame, and ends up as Corrin's best pair up bot when his combat falls off due to his ridiculous personal ability. He's pretty much this game's Seth, lol. Azura's the refresher, and the best in the series at that. Xander dominates, but he's not as godlike as you think, since his contributions start at chapter 16, he faces WTD a lot and his effectiveness is muted in certain chapters (ie: chapter 19). That said, he's still an extremely powerful and reliable unit, with his top class tanking ability, ridiculous unpenalized 1-2 range and +Speed supports letting him double pretty much anything. If you're stuck, you can pretty much count on him to bail you out of anything. (ie: Killing Hans, or doubling that damn hexing rod maid in Chapter 26
High
Elise
Leo
Niles
Gunter
Felica
Kaze
Keaton
Elise's staff support is 2nd to none, and she joins extremely early. Freeze, Enfeeble, etc are consistently amazing throughout the game and her personal also happens to be one of the very best in the game, since it makes it so much easier for your tanks to operate. Leo is by far and away the best mage Conquest. His high magic, bulk, movement and unpenalized 1-2 range make him one of your best offensive units, and like Xander, his Speed issues can easily be fixed. Forged Lightning lets him kill pretty much anything before they can retaliate, and he also has WT control via the Calamity Gate. Finally, his overkill Res, good bulk and personal tome make him the best mage killer in the game (you'll want one in chapter 26, lol). Niles is the definition of clutch. He's got an excellent early game combat due to his high Speed and deceptively solid Strength growth. He also offers locktouch utility so you basically need to use him (or Kaze) if you want to make money. He really comes into his own when he promotes though, since he gets 9 move as a Bow Knight and can do so much with it (like ferry slower units, reach far away enemies and snipe him, etc.) He (and his daughter) also has natural access to Pass and trust me you're going to want to pick that up since Endgame basically necessitates it.
Felicia and Gunter are pretty much good for the same reasons. There's a brief period of time when their combat is passable, but for the most part they're just there to make Corrin even better. Felicia doesn't dominate in the early game like Jakob, but she has decent combat as a strategist, her pair up bonuses and personal are fantastic on a Mag!Corrin, and she's actually still a good unit when she joins second (unlike Jakob). Gunter's pair up bonuses (as a Wyvern Lord) are fantastic and his personal is especially handy for dealing with hard to hit enemies (i'm goddamn looking at you Kotaro) since +15% hit makes a big difference He's also pretty much the only character that lets Corrin make use out of Nohrian Trust on Conquest. Kaze's basically good for the same reasons as Niles. Locktouch utility + supporting combat is good. He's your only natural Ninja and his mage killing is also very good (though his lowish health means he can be overtaken by several mages). Pair up bonuses are great and his personal ability can literally prevent a unit from dying. Keaton's a baller. Solid bases and the ability to do damage, but his speed is iffy and his growth is a coin flip. If he turns out poorly, he's unquestionably Camilla's best pair up option (and the resulting Velouria is a super unit).
Mid
Selena
Effie
Silas
Arthur
Beruka
Peri
Selena is swordlocked and has mediocre combat, but she's incredibly flexible. She can go Bow Knight and do okay in that, she can function as your only Falcoknight (ie: High move, Rally Speed and staff utility), and is one of the only speed boosting pair up units. Her combat will drop off hard, but unlike the rest of mid tier you can still justify using her. I find Effie to be overrated, but her earlygame tanking utility cannot be ignored (especially if you're using Male Corrin since you don't get Jakob) and her pair up bonuses are really useful. Promoting her early is ideal since her combat will drop off hard, and there's a brief period of time where her combat will be incredible. (Seriously her Javelin use is a thing of beauty). Silas is good, but so much worse on Conquest. He's a mounted unit, but his Speed is incredibly shaky, and if he gets Speed screwed he's done for. Conquest is incredibly light on speed pair ups as well, and he comes with E-rank lances to add insult to injury. That said, he's pretty helpful when he's relevant and like most male units he can pass on the torch to Sophie when he falls out of use. Arthur is seriously underrated as a unit. His luck is abysmal, but it doesn't matter when his primary use is to finish off/weaken enemies with Attack Stance or Hand Axe, and he actually has the bulk to take hits during the enemy phase (especially when he gets Sol). His growths are disgustingly good and axes are the best weapon type on Conquest. When his combat falls of he can pass to torch to Percy (who is one of the best units in the game).
Beruka's Camilla 0.5, but that isn't a bad thing considering how good Camilla is. She suffers from slow Speed and middling power, so her combat won't last forever, but she's good when she's relevant and she still has Wyvern utility. Peri's a pretty solid unit but has the unfortunate distinction of joining near the end of the earlygame and has somewhat low defense. That said, her offensive growths are great, she only needs a small boost to get going which comes in the form of her best pair up option (Laslow) and her personal is pretty cool. Contrary to popular belief, her issue isn't that she competes with Silas or Xander, but rather that it's difficult to make room for her.
Low
Laslow
Izana
Shura
Flora
Laslow is the picture of a mediocre unit. He joins lateish like Peri but has little to make up for it, and he's swordlocked at that. No real reason to use him, and Soleil isn't that great either of a unit either. Izana's actually an amazing mage with a good staff rank, he just joins extremely late. One of the best filler units for sure. Shura's a decent unit. Make as many boots jokes as you like, but his bases are great for his class and even has a decent staff rank to start out. That said, his growths are poor and you rarely have room for him. He's a great filler unit though. Flora's yet another lategame filler unit, but her saving grace is that she starts at B-rank staff. Elise reaaaaaaally makes her redundant though.
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Odin*
Charlotte*
Nyx*
Benny
Mozu
Odin, Charlotte, Nyx and Mozu are basically unusable without extreme favoritism. Odin is only notable for Ophelia's paralogue, and Ophelia herself is pretty good. Charlotte arguably has the best pair up bonuses in the game, giving her Husband a whopping +8 Strength/ +5 Speed (and even her friends get a solid 7/4 Speed so she's good with pretty much any physical unit) and is honestly a mid or even high tier character with that factored in. Nyx is a lesser version of Charlotte, since she gives her husbando +3 Magic /+6 Speed, but only Leo really wants her. He's pretty bad; joins at the point in the game where Effie's a much better tank because she does a ton damage during EP, and you're not really hurting for defense at that point. He's also slow as molasses (so doubled forever) and he doesn't really pair off well with anyone. There's never really have a point where he shines either. He's okay during his join chapter, not really great in chapter 14 since his movement is atrocious, literally unusable in 15, and then outclassed forever because Xander shows up in chapter 16. Mozu requires a heap ton of EXP (that can be used on other, better characters) in order to turn into a decent Sniper, but why do you need Sniper on Conquest when having an actual EP is just as, if not more important than a PP?
Triforce141
Member
Where's Benny on that list?
theprodigy
Member
literally the worst
six feet under, probably
Triforce141
Member
You got me there, I only used him in his recruitment chapter for some extra bulk against
Reina
Scarlet
This is great stuff. Have you done a Birthright Lunatic run yet? I assumed it's a lot simple than Conquest but it's still fun to read what units are the best and all. It's also fun to see how opinion changes between games for some characters. For example, I assume Silas is a lot more useful in BR because of the lack of bulk from most units in that game.
Having done an all girls run, I can say that Beruka becomes a lot better there. Xander and Leo don't exist, so she has no competition for the Speedwings and can easily patch up her speed. She can also get Charlotte as a pair-up partner now so the differences between her and Wyvern Lord!Camilla after a certain point become trivial. She's also good as a Berserker or Hero if you prefer.
Malig Knight!Camilla is pretty legit too, it's not that hard to get her to a point where she can start ORKOing with tomes as long as you give her spirit dusts and a +Mag pair up (Odin is a good choice because he also gets you Ophelia). You can make a good case for Malig Knight > Wyvern Lord for Camilla because 1-2 range is such a huge asset.
Malig Knight!Camilla is pretty legit too, it's not that hard to get her to a point where she can start ORKOing with tomes as long as you give her spirit dusts and a +Mag pair up (Odin is a good choice because he also gets you Ophelia). You can make a good case for Malig Knight > Wyvern Lord for Camilla because 1-2 range is such a huge asset.
Shoot, I completely forgot about Benny. He's pretty bad; joins at the point in the game where Effie's a much better tank because she does a ton damage during EP, and you're not really hurting for defense at that point. He's also slow as molasses (so doubled forever) and he doesn't really pair off well with anyone. There's never really have a point where he shines either. He's okay during his join chapter, not really great in chapter 14 since his movement is atrocious, literally unusable in 15, and then unusable again because Xander shows up in chapter 16. Oops.
Thanks. I haven't actually gone through BR Lunatic yet, but I definitely plan on making a list when I finish it. And yea, Silas is so much better in BR. Good durability in a route where everyone is made of paper, and pretty much everyone gives him Speed which is what he wants. Even comes with higher weapon ranks and a Javelin!
Oh wow, I might do that on another run. Dark!Falco Odin gives Camilla +5 Magic, +3 Speed and +1 move, and Conquest literally floods you with Spirit dusts.
Thanks. I haven't actually gone through BR Lunatic yet, but I definitely plan on making a list when I finish it. And yea, Silas is so much better in BR. Good durability in a route where everyone is made of paper, and pretty much everyone gives him Speed which is what he wants. Even comes with higher weapon ranks and a Javelin!
Oh wow, I might do that on another run. Dark!Falco Odin gives Camilla +5 Magic, +3 Speed and +1 move, and Conquest literally floods you with Spirit dusts.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
Benny feels like they were doing really well at balancing characters and then went like "Shit, another armor knight? How can we make two of them good?" and just gave up and made modern day Barth.
...he actually kind of looks like Barth, too.
...he actually kind of looks like Barth, too.
If I play conquest again, my Beruka is probably going to be a Berserker in the end, after I get her Sol. She's one of my surprise favorite characters. Sort of like Oboro in Birthright. I started giving her speed wings toward the end so her speed was alright.
He's really hurt by the no damage/no attack ai as well in Conquest.
DecoReturns
Member
Benny has some nice support conversations that I looked up online because he useless in Hard and Lunatic.
Well maybe not Hard.
Well maybe not Hard.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
I think the examples of good armors in the series shows you kind of have to show up early if you want to be useful at all. Oswin and Effie are both valuable because they have durability early on when your options are limited and you have to use what's there, and since that means not having your special team of mounted juggernauts then they become a lot more valuable.
I think if Effie had joined when Benny joins with adjusted bases she'd be way worse by virtue of having to keep pace with Camilla/Corrin/Silas instead of the early game where she can be useful and get ahead enough to get her horse.
I think if Effie had joined when Benny joins with adjusted bases she'd be way worse by virtue of having to keep pace with Camilla/Corrin/Silas instead of the early game where she can be useful and get ahead enough to get her horse.
I mean, Effie also has an additional niche of sometimes being able to OHKO things with Javelins because her strength is stupid, but her speed is at the mercy of the RNG so getting use out of her outside of that later on is a coinflip.
Though tbh, I'd much rather just pair her up with Silas early on and hope he gets good levels. He can do a lot of lot Effie can in the early game only with more move. Vow of Friendship is a good skill as well if you use it properly too.
You know, Xander was godly and all but using Ryoma almost feels like cheating. Dude is straight up broken. I'm almost entertaining the possibility of giving him all my boots and status boosters and just watch him solo the rest of the game.
Also, I never bothered with Benny on Conquest so what is it that supposedly makes him so horrible?
Also, I never bothered with Benny on Conquest so what is it that supposedly makes him so horrible?
Too much defense. Yes that's actually a problem in Conquest because enemies won't attack if they don't deal at least one point of damage and that completely kills your enemy phase.
The biggest thing is that he has no special niche. As previously mentioned, you get Effie way earlier and by the point you get Benny, she should be good enough to do anything he can. Furthermore, you get Xander a couple of chapters later which means you're pretty much wasting valuable EXP by trying to use Benny when you already have two tanks that do everything better.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
I think the 'Wary fighter' helps out Effie moreso than Benny, due to her STR growths.
There is the tossup of creating a chokepoint vs not wanting to have her take too much damage via killing things, but at least once you get her going, she's definitely going to be able to tank a physical hit and kill something in response.
Benny comes in far too late to be worthwhile (in Conquest) unless you're grinding via EXP dlc. Not to mention between Carmilla, Xander, Effie, and maybe Beruka, you have much better (and more mobile) 'tank' options for where you're at in the game.
There is the tossup of creating a chokepoint vs not wanting to have her take too much damage via killing things, but at least once you get her going, she's definitely going to be able to tank a physical hit and kill something in response.
Benny comes in far too late to be worthwhile (in Conquest) unless you're grinding via EXP dlc. Not to mention between Carmilla, Xander, Effie, and maybe Beruka, you have much better (and more mobile) 'tank' options for where you're at in the game.
dakkumauji
Member
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
when adjusted for inflation I'm pretty sure it about evens out with how growths are these daysbut he has like 2000% more res growth than Barth
theprodigy
Member
but he has like 2000% more res growth than Barth
actually, it's 2150% more res growth
When paired up with wyvernlord percy my effie had 41 defense. It was just low enough for some units to attack her and mages could do some real damage but you basically needed to hex her or hit her with a hammer and then mage strikes to kill her. Dragon gods bless my little pink tank even if this was supposed to be her son's time to shine and she took over the lategame. With an upgraded javelin or the venge naginata she owns enemy phase.
I'm look forward to seeing who becomes my reliable go to unit in awakening like effie has been in all my conquest runs and even as a good pairup buddy in revelations.
I'm look forward to seeing who becomes my reliable go to unit in awakening like effie has been in all my conquest runs and even as a good pairup buddy in revelations.
Otakumegane
Member
Venge Naginata and Effie work wonders together. Too bad you can really only use it in 1 chapter conquest.
Eh, I find Ryoma a lot more replaceable in Birthright. He's very good, don't get me wrong, but it's actually not that hard to get a unit to "destroys everything" status and good 1-2 range is not a lacking commodity. If you drop Ryoma, you can just sub in Saizo or Corrin or a magic focused Oni Chieftan/Basara and you won't see a significant change. Xander is a mounted tank with strong 1-2 range who can get to doubling status with smart resources. You can get as tanky as him, with as good movement as him, and with as good 1-2 range as him, but not all three on the same unit.
I think you could make a good case for Saizo > Ryoma actually. Dude's stupidly good and surprisingly underrated.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
Nah, Saizo has like 4 extra chapters on Ryoma, doesn't have his ceiling, and isn't near his strength at base. Saizo is discount Ryoma 100%. Ryoma becomes nigh unkillable because of dodging + vantage + astra + crits, I can't imagine Saizo having close to the level of ridiculousness that Ryoma pulls off, and Ryoma does it with zero investment.
I actually think that Kaze is better than Saizo, too, though, because with the right resources to mitigate his strength has no troubles with ORKO'ing enemies with better availability and can be much stronger than Saizo by the time Saizo joins. I can see the argument for Saizo but imo he's not even top 5 in Birthright.
It's like 6 extra chapters over Ryoma, which is quite a big chunk of the game. Ryoma's offense is complete overkill; Saizo should have enough strength to ORKO consistently throughout the game and while his avoid is lower than Ryoma's, it's still pretty high and he has better concrete durability. Even from his join chapter, Saizo can ORKO everything on the map except the Samurai with a Steel Shuriken, speed tonic, and Hana pair up. He also has a few smattering advantages over Ryoma; he has thief utility, he has a support built up by the time Ryoma joins, and his class provides better pair up bonuses than Ryoma's. Saizo also makes a killer Dark Flier too, which is particularly notable since it's one of the best classes.
Kaze's alright, but to even keep him, you need to glue him to Corrin for awhile, which limits their flexibility and can sandbag two units. Kaze also has durability problems that Saizo never runs into; you really can't throw Kaze into a horde of enemies lategame like you can with either Saizo or Ryoma unless they're all mages. Tbh, he's not that much better than Kagero (who is underrated btw). Still a good unit though.
So apparently the only way to get a nosferatu tome in birthright is to get 1350 battle points. Looks like it's my castle grinding time before my lunatic run as a witch. I also need to figure out who gets to be a dark flier and a dread fighter for that.
Speaking of free dlc classes and such I did the before awakening stuff prior to the last chapter of conquest and my god does chrom have no regard for his safety. Not since Shiro have I seen a unit so happy to run directly into combat with no regard for how many aggro ranges that puts him in or the skills the enemy Ai has. I kept everyone alive but that little blue haired bugger made it hard.
I probably shouldn't be going into awakening for the first time with lingering resentment for the stupidity of the protagonist but srsly his ai was trash. On the other hand I am already fond of over protective suspicious bodyguard man. He was competent and amusing.
Speaking of free dlc classes and such I did the before awakening stuff prior to the last chapter of conquest and my god does chrom have no regard for his safety. Not since Shiro have I seen a unit so happy to run directly into combat with no regard for how many aggro ranges that puts him in or the skills the enemy Ai has. I kept everyone alive but that little blue haired bugger made it hard.
I probably shouldn't be going into awakening for the first time with lingering resentment for the stupidity of the protagonist but srsly his ai was trash. On the other hand I am already fond of over protective suspicious bodyguard man. He was competent and amusing.
theprodigy
Member
Kaze exists for 7 chapters where Kagero does not, I really don't get people saying Kagero is close to or better than Kaze especially because she isn't really much bulkier at all.
Saizo is extremely good, but he has shortcomings. His base speed and coinflip Speed growth is a concern, and the Steel Shuriken further lowers his sketchy Speed which means he needs constant Speed maintenance. I know he doesn't need much to double most of everything on BR, but it's a huge stretch to say that he surpasses Ryoma considering Ryoma is literally a 0 maintenance unit with high consistency.
I mean, why replace Ryoma when you can stomp the game with 2 (or more) 1-2 range Gods?
pokemonsquared
Banned
Benny has more resistance.
And his supports are more heartwarming than effie's.
Problem is she likely carried you hard in chapters 7-10 which makes one like her better and benny just doesn't have a similar time where he really shines.
And his supports are more heartwarming than effie's.
Problem is she likely carried you hard in chapters 7-10 which makes one like her better and benny just doesn't have a similar time where he really shines.
Barrylocke
Member
kaze's a nice well-rounded unit with a lot of speed and kagero is an ICBM with a wonky targeting computer dressed up in ninja's clothing. she'll hit str cap with several levels to spare but it'll come at the cost of her skill stat, which can't quite keep up with the other two.
all of the ninjas are good and people should just use the one(s) they want
benny, in fact, is tied for the highest personal res growth in the game
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
How does Saizo have better durability when Ryoma has vantage + astra + super high crit
dreamlongdead
Member
It's impossible to use every character on one playthrough, so this tier list doesn't seem fully fleshed out to me. I have thoroughly used several units in this game, and I agree with many of your reasonings. I have included my thoughts in bold.
On my second Lunatic playthrough, I am using Selena, Benny, Nyx, and Peri for the first time ever. My preliminary thoughts on them are also written in bold.
This means that Beruka and Laslow are the only units that I have not attempted to seriously use on any playthrough yet.
I beat Conquest 18 on Lunatic tonight. After recruiting Soleil and Nina I really didn't feel like making anymore progress in the story. Those two are a fun pair, and I finally bought an Armorslayer to win the map. Meanwhile, some random visit person sent me an accessory. I wonder if they'll bother to do it again.
Please tell me this is Frederick. He's your early game tank in Awakening and has this unhealthy Chrom obsession (as do most people in Awakening). He's the awesomest.
I don't know why, as a European, I keep opening this thread. I just want the game (and apparently ALL the DLC) now!
Yeah Frederick, the little he says in the dlc makes him into such a loveable jerkface. I'm gonna start awakening today while I work through all the dampened my castle stuff I have to do before lunatic birthright.
You are a strong European and soon you will be rewarded.
You don't exactly need to use a character to judge their worth since there's basic criteria you can use to determine how good they are.
I appreciate your feedback, though a few things:
-Gunter is definitely high tier. Like Felicia, his combat is good for a while, but when it drops off he can still Rally Defense, ferry people around, pair up, etc. And his personal is extremely good on Corrin against throne high evasion enemies.
-I could see Keaton moving down to Upper Mid, though Velouria is really good and his support bonuses are also amazing. He also has a chance of being a solid combat unit himself.
-I'll concede that once you give Mozu that start, she never really falls off as a unit, but man being bow locked is just... eh. She's probably better than Charlotte and Nyx, i'll concede that.
-I don't doubt that Benny can perform okay if you give him the chance, but there's just no real reason to use him. And Generals are better than before, but still mediocre as units since their low move is the worst and there are far better tanks.
Definitely going to go through Lunatic Conquest again and give some more units a chance though.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
Benny is pretty pointless when Xander joins like 2 chapters later.
Hmm has anyone tried making their MU their primary healer/ post promotion magic nuker ? I know the various routes give you fine default staff bots but it'd be sort of neat to be the team healer. I always have preffered that role though I imagine you can only get away with it on lower difficulties.
woopWOOP
Member
As the EU release slowly creeps closer I decided to look up stat calculations for classes and children and whatnot. Even tho I couldn't figure it out I ended up on some Fates wiki and... hold up!
Fates let's you capture and use certain enemy boss units??
I didn't know, that's so cool! As expected, like past games, most of them look way cooler than any of the regular cast. I don't care if they don't have support bonuses, I'm totally gonna try and get a bunch of them active and properly leveld in my first playthrough.
Fates let's you capture and use certain enemy boss units??
I didn't know, that's so cool! As expected, like past games, most of them look way cooler than any of the regular cast. I don't care if they don't have support bonuses, I'm totally gonna try and get a bunch of them active and properly leveld in my first playthrough.
Some bosses and most generics can be captured and recruited, yeah.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I think most of them are the paralogue bosses. Only a couple of the main chapter bosses in Conquest can be captured. I assume Birthright is similar.
NeonZ
Member
I actually used three bosses in my final Conquest team, although one of them only to deploy a full team in the final chapter.
Haitaka looks cool with his custom colors, fitting right alongside Nohr troops due to the black clothing... but then he only has generic colors after promotion.
He's actually very useful in chapter 10 if you bother getting him in the previous one.
And the other two Kumagera and Gazak (this last one is a paralogue boss, the one that I only bothered using for the final chapters)
2 unique main story bosses can be captured in Conquest's story chapters (Haitaka and Kumagera), alongside two generic Generals that don't even have portraits but are considered bosses. There's one unique boss in Birthright. All the others are in the children paralogues. Revelations has no capturable bosses outside of paralogues.
Haitaka looks cool with his custom colors, fitting right alongside Nohr troops due to the black clothing... but then he only has generic colors after promotion.
He's actually very useful in chapter 10 if you bother getting him in the previous one.
And the other two Kumagera and Gazak (this last one is a paralogue boss, the one that I only bothered using for the final chapters)
2 unique main story bosses can be captured in Conquest's story chapters (Haitaka and Kumagera), alongside two generic Generals that don't even have portraits but are considered bosses. There's one unique boss in Birthright. All the others are in the children paralogues. Revelations has no capturable bosses outside of paralogues.