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[OVDRobo]

I'm really curious to see the Cavalry Emblem and Flier Emblem teams in Arena.

I know how they work on paper but I feel like it can't compare to witnessing them in person.

Wouldn't even be mad if I lose.

I'm dreading the idea that these teams could become more common,. High movement and ridiculous stats is a sure-fire way to invalidate most of the units in the game. It's no fun for anyone if the only way to stand a chance against a horse emblem team is to run one yourself, which is the way I can see things going if it becomes too effective.

I've got less concerns about flier emblem teams since they at least have an innate weakness to archers, lower movement and lower DEF on most units, plus there are no flier mages currently afaik. My brief encounter with horse emblem basically invalidated my archer and mage units, though that could've been down to the map it was on, which was a completely open castle room.

 

[Cerium]

I've got less concerns about flier emblem teams since they at least have an innate weakness to archers

That's what Iote's Shield is for. With four copies of Michalis to sacrifice you could have a Flier Emblem team with no weaknesses.

 

[ggx2ac]

At 7 wins for cavalry tenth stratum, 1 win for armoured tenth stratum.

It pisses me off how many times I've lost though because of one enemy unit screwing up everything for me by killing someone.

There's still 11 days left but I just want to finish these quests now.

 

[Toezilla]

Looking for some advice on a couple of inheritance skills.

I'm leaning toward Giving Kagero Fury. Seems like it would be solid on her. Any downside to giving her Fury that anyone can think of?

Also, I want to beef up my young Tiki. Already gave her Vantage. Now I'm leaning toward lightning Breath+ so she can counter at any distance. Dark Breath seems really good too though. Any thoughts about which of the 2 is better?

And lastly, would 5 star Gordon or Reinhardt benefit much from death blow or in Reinhardt's case, maybe Fury?

 

[Sölf]

At 7 wins for cavalry tenth stratum, 1 win for armoured tenth stratum.

It pisses me off how many times I've lost though because of one enemy unit screwing up everything for me by killing someone.

There's still 11 days left but I just want to finish these quests now.

I am also at 7 wins for Cavalry. And yeah, some stuff is revolting. My team is Elise, Ursula, Jagen, Cecila. And then I encounter a Jagen with 43 Res who takes no damage from anything. Heck, Ursula with her tome against mounted units did 3 damage to him. >_>

I might be able to do the flier quest, using Est, Narcian, Camilla and someone else (Michalis, Shanna, another Est - all ~20 or lower though). Armored units, while I have 4, they are just to low. Only Effie is 38 by now, all others are 2* or 3* and only ~20 or lower.

 

[OVDRobo]

That's what Iote's Shield is for. With four copies of Michalis to sacrifice you could have a Flier Emblem team with no weaknesses.

Is it even possible to get four copies of Michalis? Unless the GHB tracks separately from the preview event and I - as a person who cleared the 3-star preview - can get another 3-star version when the actual GHB goes live, it's only currently possible to get 2 copies of Michalis.

Even if it is possible to get 4 Michalis', somewhere around 13k people cleared the preview GHB Lunatic version, which means the potential for a fully weakness-free flier emblem team is limited to those people for now until they introduce more inheritable shield skills or put some of these GHB characters into the summon rotation.

I'm not saying that flier emblem is completely impossible or even bad, but it requires a lot more work and circumstances than horse emblem currently does to patch up the weaknesses. Almost anyone can get together a horse emblem team with the right pulls and effort, which is why that seems like more of an issue currently.

 

[Akuun]

Looking for some advice on a couple of inheritance skills.

I'm leaning toward Giving Kagero Fury. Seems like it would be solid on her. Any downside to giving her Fury that anyone can think of?

Kagero is already on the fragile side, so I think Fury would make her more prone to getting oneshotted by anyone who gets close. That isn't a problem on offense since you can keep her safe, but maybe it'll make her weaker on defense by people who can bait her properly.

On the other hand, it'll raise her arena score and also make her more capable of oneshotting people.

 

[toastyToast]

Fuck this

Seems like if you don't have a red mage you're screwed

 

[kewlmyc]

I'm trying to figure out a more optimal defense team, I'm fine on offense.

Currently have this team on defense, but I figure there should be better options. Anyone have any recommendations? Which units are considered more useful on defense?

 

[Akuun]

Looking at Horse Emblem horseshit; how Cecilia can score a OHKO on a swordsman despite triangle disadvantage and how other members should be able to do similar horseshit, I have to wonder if it's possible to set up a defense team capable of scoring a kill on the very first turn regardless of the offense's comp and positioning.

It's probably possible with a dancer. There's that one map where both sides are blocked by solid walls (the solid walls and not the crisscross ones) and I always feel uncomfortable seeing horses and dancers on the other side. If the AI played right, they could have a ranged character break a wall to free a horse, then a horse + dance could reach my side in one turn.

I saw that composition once, but thankfully the AI misused its dance and I didn't lose someone right away.

I wonder if FRobin with Triangle Adept will become the new Horse Emblem counter the same way MRobin hard counters Takumi Country?

 

[Firemind]

Looking for some advice on a couple of inheritance skills.

I'm leaning toward Giving Kagero Fury. Seems like it would be solid on her. Any downside to giving her Fury that anyone can think of?

Also, I want to beef up my young Tiki. Already gave her Vantage. Now I'm leaning toward lightning Breath+ so she can counter at any distance. Dark Breath seems really good too though. Any thoughts about which of the 2 is better?

And lastly, would 5 star Gordon or Reinhardt benefit much from death blow or in Reinhardt's case, maybe Fury?

I think Kagero benefits more from Death Blow since you always want her to be on the offense and Death Blow would score more OHKOs than Fury would. The defense/resistance buffs won't matter a ton, but if your Kagero has -spd or neutral speed, then I think there's an argument for Fury as that puts her out of double range from Lucina +spd, Azura +spd, Eirika +spd, Ryoma +spd and a few mages but they should get oneshot on the counter.

Young Tiki in the long run benefits more from Dark Breath. In the whale scene, Lightning Breath+ likely won't put a dent with its low 11 attack. Great for pre-wale meta though especially with Vantage. Dark Breath is so threatening though for your opponent.

 

[Cerium]

I'm trying to figure out a more optimal defense team, I'm fine on offense.

Currently have this team on defense, but I figure there should be better options. Anyone have any recommendations? Which units are considered more useful on defense?

Swap out MRobin for Nino and you have an ideal Nino team.

 

[kewlmyc]

Swap out MRobin for Nino and you have an ideal Nino team.

Do Nino teams work on defense? Figured the AI would just screw it up.

 

[Cerium]

Do Nino teams work on defense? Figured the AI would just screw it up.

My current defense. Season started yesterday.

 

[kewlmyc]

My current defense. Season started yesterday.

Noted. Will try it out.

Also wondering what B skill you have on your Nino.

 

[Cerium]

Noted. Will try it out.

Also wondering what B skill you have on your Nino.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=232540183&postcount=836

 

[kewlmyc]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=232540183&postcount=836

Hmm, maybe I'll switch Desperation to her instead of Lancebreaker.

 

[Mupod]

bah I was hoping for the 10 Michalis orbs this morning. If we get em tomorrow I'll be highly tempted to throw 20 at Minerva, I don't expect to get her but I severely lack greens. I'm 4.00% deep on Ninian but if I want to promote a blue I have some options like a +def -res Nowi, +spd -hp Abel, Sharena, and a few others.

On my upcoming flyer team I've got a +atk -spd Cordelia that has been murdering the shit out of everything on her way up. Dunno if -spd is a dealbreaker for her but I think this is my only brave weapon user with a +atk modifier.

 

[PK Gaming]

Maybe I should join the Nino club

I think I have one with +Speed...

 

[theprodigy]

Ha 4580 with two starter units and no skill inheritance at all.

bah I was hoping for the 10 Michalis orbs this morning. If we get em tomorrow I'll be highly tempted to throw 20 at Minerva, I don't expect to get her but I severely lack greens. I'm 4.00% deep on Ninian but if I want to promote a blue I have some options like a +def -res Nowi, +spd -hp Abel, Sharena, and a few others.

On my upcoming flyer team I've got a +atk -spd Cordelia that has been murdering the shit out of everything on her way up. Dunno if -spd is a dealbreaker for her but I think this is my only brave weapon user with a +atk modifier.

Cordelia is one of the few brave users fast enough to conceivably double things (like +spd doubles Nowi) but I'd still take it.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

Hmm, maybe I'll switch Desperation to her instead of Lancebreaker.

Desperation works really well on her. Allows her to destroy a lot of things and her low health makes it easy to get under the threshold. Basically turns her into a supercharged Brave Tome user.

 

[Pejo]

Sometimes I feel like the training tower is playing me, not the other way around. Seems like they counterpick my group for the level relevant stages, all the time.

Like right now I'm leveling up my Effie, Ninian, Lilina, and Lechesis, so it puts me up against 2 greens, one a flyer with armor slayer, and hector, a horse archer, and a healer.

Still beat it without losing a character thanks to Lilina's AoE skill, but damn game, cut me some slack.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Desperation works really well on her. Allows her to destroy a lot of things and her low health makes it easy to get under the threshold. Basically turns her into a supercharged Brave Tome user.

So would you use Fury or Ardent Sacrifice?

 

[Akuun]

I did a pull and got all 3* characters like Odin, Florina, Gunther, Niles, and some other asshole I don't remember.

I have like six 3* Odins now.

 

[SenorArdilla]

I did a pull and got all 3* characters like Odin, Florina, Gunther, Niles, and some other asshole I don't remember.

I have like six 3* Odins now.

Congrats. Odin gets Moonbow at 4*.

 

[theprodigy]

I did a pull and got all 3* characters like Odin, Florina, Gunther, Niles, and some other asshole I don't remember.

I have like six 3* Odins now.

Hey man that's a ton of Moonbow, Darting Blow, and Hone Cavalry fodder!

 

[Draxal]

Hey man that's a ton of Moonbow, Darting Blow, and Hone Cavalry fodder!

Forgot Blarblade!

I posted this on discord.

But this is probably the easiest arena team I fought today at 666

As this guy hasn't done any skill inheritance, but you definitely do fight some ranged in this bracket.

 

[Akuun]

Yeah, it's a lot of Moonbow but all these 3* to 4* promotions are expensive.

I'm probably going to save up and promote one of my 4* guys to 5* instead. My last 5* promotion was MRobin and he's been paying off really well.

I actually gave my 4* Ursula a 3* Odin's Blarblade to help her be more useful as a bonus character this week, because why the fuck not.

 

[commish]

Sometimes I feel like the training tower is playing me, not the other way around. Seems like they counterpick my group for the level relevant stages, all the time.

Like right now I'm leveling up my Effie, Ninian, Lilina, and Lechesis, so it puts me up against 2 greens, one a flyer with armor slayer, and hector, a horse archer, and a healer.

Still beat it without losing a character thanks to Lilina's AoE skill, but damn game, cut me some slack.

I was going to make this very same post earlier today. There is no way I should be facing so many high res opponents when trying to level my Nowi. What are the odds!

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

So would you use Fury or Ardent Sacrifice?

To be honest I haven't had the SP to do much of anything else. I would have just enough for Ardent Sacrifice and a single use of that would put her in Desperation range and heal someone in the process. You would lose draw back, but I was planning to put that on Eldigan anyway.

 

[Wilsongt]

Forgot Blarblade!

I posted this on discord.

But this is probably the easiest arena team I fought today at 666



As this guy hasn't done any skill inheritance, but you definitely do fight some ranged in this bracket.

What? No +10 Azura? Broke casual.

 

[Wiseblade]

New OT already? The power of Waifus is not to be underestimated.

Also, I rolled trying to get Ninian, got Azura instead. I'm like, thanks? She's technically better, but I kind of want to make a dragon team for Arena defence.

 

[commish]

Do Nino teams work on defense? Figured the AI would just screw it up.

Keep in mind you only need ONE win per week. Just use a dancer and a ranged unit and you'll probably get a few.

 

[Mupod]

New OT already? The power of Waifus is not to be underestimated.

Also, I rolled trying to get Ninian, got Azura instead. I'm like, thanks? She's technically better, but I kind of want to make a dragon team for Arena defence.

meanwhile I'm here with 7 Oboros from this banner. I expect when it finally does give me a 5* it'll be Peri or something. Out of the blue units that can be pulled as 5* I'd be happy to have almost any of them, but I'd lose my shit at Azura. Maybe I'm just so monstrously unlucky that any 5* is a huge occasion for me at this point. I was even hype for Merric, lol.

at least the +atk -hp Subaki I got from this shitshow of a banner has been quite nice. He's gonna be great on the Michalis map tomorrow.

 

[Wyndstryker]

What is the next banner if anyone knows? Need to determine if I spend my next 20 orbs on this banner or the next one

 

[Caspel]

Decided to use my 20 orbs and pull today with the standard rates and was lucky enough to pull Leo at 5*.

 

[explodet]

I haven't had a successful defense in a month. Not that it was a priority, but I do miss the feathers.

 

[Windforce]

New OT already? The power of Waifus is not to be underestimated.

Also, I rolled trying to get Ninian, got Azura instead. I'm like, thanks? She's technically better, but I kind of want to make a dragon team for Arena defence.

ha grats! I wish that happened to me.

 

[commish]

I haven't had a successful defense in a month. Not that it was a priority, but I do miss the feathers.

I thought about doing a one-color team, so that you may get matched up against a team that can't handle it. As I said, you only need it to happen once.

 

[Mupod]

What is the next banner if anyone knows? Need to determine if I spend my next 20 orbs on this banner or the next one

Eliwood, Minerva, Selena and Gordin tomorrow morning. Presumably only for 4 days or so.

They don't generally tell us about upcoming banners ahead of time...maybe 1 or 2 days early at best. Usually we don't know about the 'main' one until it's up, and the ones related to the grand hero battles get datamined at that time. The prince/princesses one was a 'surprise'

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

Keep in mind you only need ONE win per week. Just use a dancer and a ranged unit and you'll probably get a few.

And often you just need one kill from your defense to disrupt someone's perfect run, and they will intentionally lose the fight after that because the arena run has been tainted by just that single kill.

So yeah ranged units and a dancer and a combination of skills like drawback, wings of mercy, I even got super surprised by Pass one match. All of that creates problems that can be worked around but it asks the other person to be much more diligent and solve for more outcomes.

 

[kewlmyc]

4354 offense and only rank 78978. The competition is fierce. Only had one unit die and I have a 4* Ursula on my team tanking my rating.

 

[Mupod]

4354 offense and only rank 78978. The competition is fierce. Only had one unit die and I have a 4* Ursula on my team tanking my rating.

that doesn't sound right. Give it more time to update. I'm 25,538 with a measly 4154.

 

[commish]

And often you just need one kill from your defense to disrupt someone's perfect run, and they will intentionally lose the fight after that because the arena run has been tainted by just that single kill.

So yeah ranged units and a dancer and a combination of skills like drawback, wings of mercy, I even got super surprised by Pass one match. All of that creates problems that can be worked around but it asks the other person to be much more diligent and solve for more outcomes.

We've all lost someone because of a miscalculation made on dance. Such a pain.

 

[Akuun]

Keep in mind you only need ONE win per week. Just use a dancer and a ranged unit and you'll probably get a few.

Extra wins don't get more feathers right? Is there a threshold to getting more than just the 1 win reward?

We've all lost someone because of a miscalculation made on dance. Such a pain.

I had an encounter with a very weird team the other day. It had a Nino with Wings of Mercy and a lot of mobility skills spread around the team, so it was hard to separate someone from the pack because they spent a few turns uselessly punting each other around on their side of the map.

I eventually did pick off a few guys, but one unit survived with 1 hp. Zip, instant Nino right in my face, and she oneshotted one of my blue guys.

Doh.

 

[Wyndstryker]

Decided to roll my orbs instead of waiting for the next banner and I get Ninian.

Now my problem is having 5* greens...I got more than enough reds and blues now. Julia is my only green.

 

[Gotchaye]

I had an encounter with a very weird team the other day. It had a Nino with Wings of Mercy and a lot of mobility skills spread around the team, so it was hard to separate someone from the pack because they spent a few turns uselessly punting each other around on their side of the map.

I eventually did pick off a few guys, but one unit survived with 1 hp. Zip, instant Nino right in my face, and she oneshotted one of my blue guys.

Doh.

Yeah, Wings of Mercy on a ranged hero or dancer is just nasty on defense, especially in combination with off-color attackers that are unlikely to die in one round regardless of who they run into. A combination that's given me a lot of trouble is Eldigan and Nino. Eldigan is going to get a hit in and survive, and if you put him up against a blue he's probably going to be below half so that Nino can warp in and blow up the defender.

 

[Firemind]

Decided to roll my orbs instead of waiting for the next banner and I get Ninian.

Now my problem is having 5* greens...I got more than enough reds and blues now. Julia is my only green.

I don't have any greens in my teams since launch. You'll be fine.

 

[Akuun]

Decided to roll my orbs instead of waiting for the next banner and I get Ninian.

Now my problem is having 5* greens...I got more than enough reds and blues now. Julia is my only green.

At least Julia is an excellent unit. My best and only 5* green is Camilla lol.

 

[dreamlongdead]

I have Julia and Camilla. Hector is the only Green unit that I'm really clamoring for.

Nino comes at 4* if I ever need her some reason. Green units for the most part are not really competitive. Julia and Hector are literally the only ones I've been up against.