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First date out to dinner - offering to pay the whole bill - simp material?

I don't see one occasion where splitting the bill could reflect badly on you. Offering to pay the whole bill is drought with danger.

Thoughts?
 

Hulk_Smash

Banned
What are you talking about? Why is this even a thing? If it’s a date date and not some group outing, then pay the damn bill. If she scoffs at that, take her home, say good-bye, and don’t call her back. She ain’t worth the headache.
 
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What are you talking about? Why is this even a thing? If it’s a date date and not done group outing, then pay the damn bill. If she scoffs at that, take her home, say good-bye, and don’t call her back. She ain’t worth the headache.

She won't like you less if you don't insist on paying the whole thing

It will have the opposite effect. It's the simp trap
 
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*protip - most girls that are actually cool and not SJWs or feminists, like it if you offer to pay for the first date and to be chivalrous in general.

I think the best way is to offer to pay first, she declines then you make a joke about an equal opportunity climate and both of you decide on splitting it. But halving it can never work against you

Or even joke that she pays it all. That's a PRO move
 
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When I was trying to test the dating scene after I moved here I always offered to pay. Not sure if things have changed over the last 6 years but I still feel like I would always offer to pay today
 

Hulk_Smash

Banned
She won't like you less if you don't insist on paying the whole thing

It will have the opposite effect. It's the simp trap

Dude, I have no idea what a “simp” is. All I know is a man who’s not some impolite cheapskate will pay for the first date. Traditions have their uses. It allows an easy way for the man to show kindness and generosity toward a woman they like. Didn’t your dad teach you these things?
 

Lrnex

Member
I offer to pay, if they decline and want to split it then that’s a cool surprise. If you’re the one taking someone out assume you’re paying the whole thing
 

kunonabi

Member
Always offer to pay. If she politely declines fair enough. If she throws a fit than you know to cut her loose.
 
Dude, I have no idea what a “simp” is. All I know is a man who’s not some impolite cheapskate will pay for the first date. Traditions have their uses. It allows an easy way for the man to show kindness and generosity toward a woman they like. Didn’t your dad teach you these things?

How is splitting the bill being a cheapskate? Did you drink more wine and eat more desert than her?

It's an antiquated way of thinking
 
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JORMBO

Darkness no more
Definitely offer but don't repeatedly say you'll pay it all if she keeps saying she'll pay her half

I always just take the bill and pull out my card. If they offer I say it’s no big deal and I don’t mind grabbing it. Extremely rare for it to go beyond that.
 
As a footnote I think you have take each date on it's own merits

If she's not showing dat interest dont ever offer

If she seems pretty keen then I'll allow it
 

Hulk_Smash

Banned
How is splitting the bill being a cheapskate? Did you drink more wine and eat more desert than her?

It's an antiquated way of thinking

Hahahaha! You think you’re the first person to try this? I can almost see you at dinner calculating in your head how much more a date is going to cost you while you’re sitting there eating too many free tortilla chips.

By not trying to be a simp, you’ll end up being a cuck. Because the kind of woman that doesn’t at least respect a little bit of tradition and let the man lead initially, will end up owning your balls in the end.
 

NeoGiffer

Member
Since my goal would be to get some and not to win some gender equality points, I would offer to pay in full for the first date.

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If you pay you get to pick where ya go. Lots of people have bad taste in food. Dazzle them with your superior taste. It's a classic move.

It's also a nice gesture. People like to hang out with people who are nice to them. Nothing odd about that.

If paying for a date ruins your chances of maintaining a good relationship with that women forevermore, she's either a trash women or you're a weak man.
 
Hahahaha! You think you’re the first person to try this? I can almost see you at dinner calculating in your head how much more a date is going to cost you while you’re sitting there eating too many free tortilla chips.

By not trying to be a simp, you’ll end up being a cuck. Because the kind of woman that doesn’t at least respect a little bit of tradition and let the man lead initially, will end up owning your balls in the end.

Other way around my son
 
You secretly go to the maitre after you went to the toilet after dinner, pay in full, and later on when she pretends to be a little bit upset about it but in reality thinks you are cool and macho you say 'next time you pay' with a smirk on your face.
 

Hulk_Smash

Banned

Because it’s been traditional for over a century that the man pays. And it’s one of the few traditions I think is good for separating the men who are confident to lead in a relationship, who are in control of their finances, and who want to show a bit of kindness and generosity toward a woman they like- from the cheapskate pussies who cry over paying an extra $20 on a date.
 

Nymphae

Banned
Because you initiated the date.

I don't see why this needs to be a rule for dates though. If I ask my friend to go to a concert it's not expected that I pay for them. We both earn money, why should I be expected to pay for you?
 
Been married 15 years this Thursday to my smoking hot wife. Balls still intact.

If you think paying for the first date is being a simp, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe stop hanging around so many homosexuals?

I guess what I was really meaning was to pay for the first dinner when she was clearly not into you, just for the hope to score

My bad
 

Amory

Member
Idk that paying is 'simp material' but to me splitting is just a better move. You're probably more likely to offend women nowadays by paying for a meal than charm them, even if you're just trying to be a gentleman or whatever.

There's usually not a downside to splitting.
 
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Hulk_Smash

Banned
I guess what I was really meaning was to pay for the first dinner when she was clearly not into you, just for the hope to score

My bad

Nah, it’s cool. I’d still pay though. I’ve had some bad dates, but there’s no reason to try and get out of it. Plus, she has friends, they talk, you don’t want to ruin your chances with another woman by being perceived as a jerk by them.
 
Nah, it’s cool. I’d still pay though. I’ve had some bad dates, but there’s no reason to try and get out of it. Plus, she has friends, they talk, you don’t want to ruin your chances with another woman by being perceived as a jerk by them.

Is wanting to split the bill being a jerk?

From my experience they open their wallet the quickest these days
 
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