First reviews for Trank's Fantastic Four hit.

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Jorok Goldblade said:
I could see that. Maybe Latveria is the medieval name of Sokovia, and Doom is descended from their royalty.

I could also see Marvel's plotlines setting up the FF's origin perfectly.

Make Ben Grimm a pilot working for SHIELD. After the Battle of New York in 2012, SHIELD becomes interested in faster than light travel in order to gather intelligence on potential alien threats. Ben brings his former college roommate, Reed Richards, in to lead the project. Sue is Reed's fiance and lab assistant, and is also the legal guardian of her teenage brother, Johnny.

Ben, Reed, and Sue test Reed's vessel, and Johnny stows away on board. The ship comes out of warp in the middle of a mass of unknown cosmic energies, giving the four their powers.

Years later, after the fall of SHIELD, Reed sets up the Future Foundation think tank, and all this backstory is given in a few minutes by a tour guide at the visitor's level of the Baxter Building.

Use Galactus or Annhilus as the villain to differentiate it from the four flops, an instead use Doom in an Iron Man movie, seeking revenge for his people against the creator of Ultron.
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That's a great idea.
 
Jorok Goldblade said:
I could see that. Maybe Latveria is the medieval name of Sokovia, and Doom is descended from their royalty.

I could also see Marvel's plotlines setting up the FF's origin perfectly.

Make Ben Grimm a pilot working for SHIELD. After the Battle of New York in 2012, SHIELD becomes interested in faster than light travel in order to gather intelligence on potential alien threats. Ben brings his former college roommate, Reed Richards, in to lead the project. Sue is Reed's fiance and lab assistant, and is also the legal guardian of her teenage brother, Johnny.

Ben, Reed, and Sue test Reed's vessel, and Johnny stows away on board. The ship comes out of warp in the middle of a mass of unknown cosmic energies, giving the four their powers.

Years later, after the fall of SHIELD, Reed sets up the Future Foundation think tank, and all this backstory is given in a few minutes by a tour guide at the visitor's level of the Baxter Building.

Use Galactus or Annhilus as the villain to differentiate it from the four flops, an instead use Doom in an Iron Man movie, seeking revenge for his people against the creator of Ultron.
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That a FF movie i would love to see. Everything falls into place. Not sure about the IM stuff but really good idea.
 
Jorok Goldblade said:
I could see that. Maybe Latveria is the medieval name of Sokovia, and Doom is descended from their royalty.

I could also see Marvel's plotlines setting up the FF's origin perfectly.

Make Ben Grimm a pilot working for SHIELD. After the Battle of New York in 2012, SHIELD becomes interested in faster than light travel in order to gather intelligence on potential alien threats. Ben brings his former college roommate, Reed Richards, in to lead the project. Sue is Reed's fiance and lab assistant, and is also the legal guardian of her teenage brother, Johnny.

Ben, Reed, and Sue test Reed's vessel, and Johnny stows away on board. The ship comes out of warp in the middle of a mass of unknown cosmic energies, giving the four their powers.

Years later, after the fall of SHIELD, Reed sets up the Future Foundation think tank, and all this backstory is given in a few minutes by a tour guide at the visitor's level of the Baxter Building.

Use Galactus or Annhilus as the villain to differentiate it from the four flops, an instead use Doom in an Iron Man movie, seeking revenge for his people against the creator of Ultron.
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Oh god, this would be amazing. And the best part, you could use that theoretical Iron Man 4 as a backdoor origin movie for Doctor Doom. Marvel could portray Doom as he should be portrayed. And by that, I mean Doom being seen as a hero to his people, yet a villain to the rest of the world. They can make us sympathize with Doom & highlight how much Tony fucked up.
 
Neoxon said:
Oh god, this would be amazing. And the best part, you could use that theoretical Iron Man 4 as a backdoor origin movie for Doctor Doom. Marvel could portray Doom as he should be portrayed. And by that, I mean Doom being seen as a hero to his people, yet a villain to the rest of the world. They can make us sympathize with Doom & highlight how much Tony fucked up.
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I would say this is never going to happen, but then again I said the same thing about Spider-Man in a Marvel movie.

Would be insanely cool though, the FF are exactly what the MCU is missing.
 
Not sure this has been been posted, but I'm just gonna leave this here:

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http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/08/08/what-now-for-fantastic-four

Devin Faraci speculates on whether or not the FF rights revert back to Marvel:

For a certain group of fans the desire for Fantastic Four to flop has been strong. They believe that, should the movie tank, the rights to Marvel's First Family will revert to Marvel. Before this week I would have (and often did) said it would never happen, but Josh Trank's ill-advised tweet saying the final film didn't reflect his vision has turned a movie that is failing at the box office into a tabloid story. Now all bets are off.
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Trank is going to eat the lion's share of shit on this, and what he doesn't eat will get thrown at the studio.

The actors are collateral damage. Nobody's going to blame them for this.
 
Sanjuro said:
Starring roles in comic book films really don't result in career suicide.
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Even for a movie that is beyond terrible it escalates more to just being a bad comic book movie? I know Chris Evans was in bad F4 movies before going on to be successful as Captain America but this F4 movie is just beyond toxic.
 
ElBoxyBrown said:
Even for a movie that is beyond terrible it escalates more to just being a bad comic book movie? I know Chris Evans was in bad F4 movies before going on to be successful as Captain America but this F4 movie is just beyond toxic.
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It really doesn't escalate to anything worse though. And besides, the actors are regularly not the draw to these sort of films.
 
Not The Droid You're Looking For said:
That combined with this:

Isn't a great sign for the Fox peeps.
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Marvel's Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes
Coming in Summer 2020 as Part of Phase 4 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Maybe my dream won't be far off, after all.

TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared said:
I wouldn't say its career suicide for any of them, considering they're already established actors.
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Agreed, the actors will be just fine. Josh Trank, on the other hand...
 
Jorok Goldblade said:
I could see that. Maybe Latveria is the medieval name of Sokovia, and Doom is descended from their royalty.

I could also see Marvel's plotlines setting up the FF's origin perfectly.

Make Ben Grimm a pilot working for SHIELD. After the Battle of New York in 2012, SHIELD becomes interested in faster than light travel in order to gather intelligence on potential alien threats. Ben brings his former college roommate, Reed Richards, in to lead the project. Sue is Reed's fiance and lab assistant, and is also the legal guardian of her teenage brother, Johnny.

Ben, Reed, and Sue test Reed's vessel, and Johnny stows away on board. The ship comes out of warp in the middle of a mass of unknown cosmic energies, giving the four their powers.

Years later, after the fall of SHIELD, Reed sets up the Future Foundation think tank, and all this backstory is given in a few minutes by a tour guide at the visitor's level of the Baxter Building.

Use Galactus or Annhilus as the villain to differentiate it from the four flops, an instead use Doom in an Iron Man movie, seeking revenge for his people against the creator of Ultron.
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Good except for Dictator Doom. He won't be. At best he'll be a college buddy of Tony's who comes back into Tony's life, is promptly maimed, and in order to save his life, Tony robocops/Darth Vaders Victor into an Iron Man suit that act as a life support system
 
unholyrevenger72 said:
Good except for Dictator Doom. He won't be. At best he'll be a college buddy of Tony's who comes back into Tony's life, is promptly maimed, and in order to save his life, Tony robocops/Darth Vaders Victor into an Iron Man suit that act as a life support system
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Nah, the other way is way better. The metal suit even makes sense. Fighting the hated Tony Stark, best to fight fire with fire. Like a mockery of the Iron Man suit, and a contrasting figure for Slovakia/Latveria to rally behind.

Plus keeping his eyes visible to show how he's still a mere man within the suit while Tony Stark hides behind his metal mask
 
More_Badass said:
Nah, the other way is way better. The metal suit even makes sense. Fighting the hated Tony Stark, best to fight fire with fire. Like a mockery of the Iron Man suit, and a contrasting figure for Slovakia/Latveria to rally behind.

Plus keeping his eyes visible to show how he's still a mere man within the suit while Tony Stark hides behind his metal mask
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You're immediately weakening the character by making revenge his motivation
 
Jorok Goldblade said:
I could see that. Maybe Latveria is the medieval name of Sokovia, and Doom is descended from their royalty.

I could also see Marvel's plotlines setting up the FF's origin perfectly.

Make Ben Grimm a pilot working for SHIELD. After the Battle of New York in 2012, SHIELD becomes interested in faster than light travel in order to gather intelligence on potential alien threats. Ben brings his former college roommate, Reed Richards, in to lead the project. Sue is Reed's fiance and lab assistant, and is also the legal guardian of her teenage brother, Johnny.

Ben, Reed, and Sue test Reed's vessel, and Johnny stows away on board. The ship comes out of warp in the middle of a mass of unknown cosmic energies, giving the four their powers.

Years later, after the fall of SHIELD, Reed sets up the Future Foundation think tank, and all this backstory is given in a few minutes by a tour guide at the visitor's level of the Baxter Building.

Use Galactus or Annhilus as the villain to differentiate it from the four flops, an instead use Doom in an Iron Man movie, seeking revenge for his people against the creator of Ultron.
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This sounds like a pretty good plan, now if only Fox would let go the rights and let it be so.
 
More_Badass said:
Nah, the other way is way better. The metal suit even makes sense. Fighting the hated Tony Stark, best to fight fire with fire. Like a mockery of the Iron Man suit, and a contrasting figure for Slovakia/Latveria to rally behind.

Plus keeping his eyes visible to show how he's still a mere man within the suit while Tony Stark hides behind his metal mask
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Victor von Doom is seriously scarred and injured during the battle with Ultron in Sokovia. Blaming Tony Stark and the Avengers, Doom salvages the remains of the Ultron drones to create a suit of armor for himself as a mockery of Stark's armor.
 
People have to realize you DO NOT FIGHT DOOM. You foil his plan , you save the day, but don't think of putting hands on him. Since the beginning Doom is one of the few villains where it's very rare he gets punched out. Doesn't matter if it's the FF, the X-Men, or the Avengers. The dynamic has always been "it's Doom, take him out! Shit, he just whooped our ass, better stop his mind control Ray"

And hell no at Doom giving a shit about Stark OR his armor when his takes a giant dump on the iron man suit any day of the week.
 
Cross-posted from the MCU general thread:

Until there's stronger reason to believe otherwise, I still think there's just too much bad blood between Fox and Marvel for the former to give/sell the rights back.

Heck, it's even possible that Fox could retain the rights by doing something different with FF characters, like a Silver Surfer movie, instead of another reboot. (Though it's also possible that the contract specifically requires an FF film centered around the traditional lineup to retain the rights, I suppose.)
 
I just got back from the cinema having watched this.

From when I first heard about this film and it's production issues it immediately screamed that Fox just wanted to keep the rights from renewing and didn't care about the quality of the film.

Then when I heard all the issues and initial reviews I went in expecting a trainwreck.

Having watched it make no mistake, it is a pretty terrible adaptation of Fantastic Four and a bad "Fantastic Four film". However I was taken back by how good most of the acting is in the film and to be honest none of the ideas that seemed god awful when reading them out of context seem that bad when actually watching the film.

The first half has a slow deliberate pace with a slightly dark tone to it. I have to say it is well directed with some nice shots and it seems the people involved actually wanted to make something interesting. The CG is a little off throughout the film though.

I can see where Trank was coming from when he wanted to make a Cronenberg style body horror/sci fi adventure film. The first half is honestly pretty interesting and I would have been interested to see where Trank went with it.

But then the second half of the film happens....randomly rushed, worse CG, acting that falls much flatter than the first half and really half assed and rushed character arcs/motivations.

Tonally it REALLY jars with the first half of the film and the climax/climactic battle is meh at best. Doom is also pretty wasted/inconsistent with his abilities, the film doesn't even actually explain what those abilities are.

It's a pity that Fox kind of butchered this film because it seems Trank wanted to go somewhere interesting with it but Fox wanted a standard cookie cutter tentpole summer superhero flick.

Now I'm not saying the film would have been a masterpiece had Trank's version been unmolested, and just to reiterate as a Fantastic Four film it is a genuinely bad adaptation of the source material.

But just as an interesting sci fi film with a dark tone I see hints of something that could really work. I was genuinely entertained during the first half and thought the film was many times better than I first suspected (at least the first half anyway). I dare say the first half was actually pretty good.

What all this means in the grand scheme of things who knows, maybe if the internet wasn't so harsh on early info about this we could have gotten a decent film or maybe Trank's version by the end could have been even worse than the ending we did get.

My opinion on the final product is that it was ok, a serviceable film with a deliberately paced first half with potential that never really materializes and pretty anti climactic and tonally stunted second half. It wasn't terrible but certainly not setting the world on fire.

Probably a lot better than most people assume it is though and probably doesn't deserve to get a bad a rap as does at the moment. This all comes from someone with zero faith in the film during production from what I heard and wasn't expecting anything worthwhile.
 
Ryujin said:
I just got back from the cinema having watched this.
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Can't just ignore a guy with a Herzog Zwei avatar!

Thanks for the words, this is sounding intriguing and (like many) I'll likely check it out after it's done w the theaters. I still think Chronicle was one of the best films I've seen in recent years and interested to see more work by the guy; hopefully he can recover from this and put more films out there.
 
Bump.

The film now stands at 8% on RT, making it the worst-reviewed comic-book/superhero film adaptation ever on the site (based on this list of superhero/comic-book films with mediocre/poor reviews Galador compiled and posted pages ago). Meanwhile on Metacritic, it stands at 27, tying with Catwoman as the second worst-reviewed comic-book/superhero film adaptation on that site (again, based on the aforementioned list), only Superman IV: The Quest for Peace holds a lower MC score at 22.

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wondermega said:
Can't just ignore a guy with a Herzog Zwei avatar!

Thanks for the words, this is sounding intriguing and (like many) I'll likely check it out after it's done w the theaters. I still think Chronicle was one of the best films I've seen in recent years and interested to see more work by the guy; hopefully he can recover from this and put more films out there.
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In light of the studio's difficulties with the director, I doubt he'll ever get a studio gig again.
 
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