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[ultracal31]

Motivation? Huh. There's one scene of

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jealousy between him and Reed, which is soon forgotten

. Also Victor

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has been a bad boy and was kicked from the original Baxter project. He's living like a stereotypical nerd in his dudebro cave playing what looked like Watch Dogs.

The key scene is when

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they travel to the zero zone/planet, he gets dropped to the "intelligent" goo and is left behind. It takes a year to get back and obviously the guy is a bit mad and wants to revenge.

He's basically a spoiled nerdy teen who hates everything.

Hmm, not all of those are bad ideas. I actually dig

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the idea where they left him in the zero zone/planet/dark closet and can't get back to him in a year therefore when they get him back he's now bitter and understandably angry as his so called friend. The rest of it (bad boy, spoiled teen in basement, jealousy) isn't working though

 

[Discotheque]

Well, literally everyone knew the movie would flop critically. I really hoped that it wouldn't, but here we are.

Honestly the biggest problem with these movies is that it's just hard to cram a 4 person dynamic with each having their proper development, a villain, and carry the plot. That's why I think the Avengers was really successful, all the team members already had their development in their own movies, so we didn't need to fit that aspect in. And X-Men: First Class got around it by focusing on Magneto and Xavier with the team arguably being secondary. It's kind of unfortunate that Fantastic 4 can't have this application in a movie, but who knows, maybe one day. It'd probably work better in a show format.

4 characters should not be hard to develop at all. the problem is shit writer/directors being on the team and probably studio interference as well.

plenty of films have had great teams. well before comic book movies even started to pop off.

 

[LucidMomentum]

They dont even call it

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negative zone

?
Fuck Fox.

That's what we call Fox Studios, actually.

 

[Rooster12]

Well, literally everyone knew the movie would flop critically. I really hoped that it wouldn't, but here we are.

Honestly the biggest problem with these movies is that it's just hard to cram a 4 person dynamic with each having their proper development, a villain, and carry the plot. That's why I think the Avengers was really successful, all the team members already had their development in their own movies

Not everyone has seen the solo movies, and yet an average joe can still enjoy the Avengers.

 

[Bleepey]

A studio doesn't spend $100M+ on a film with no expectations of success.

This. I don't think Fox went out of their way to make a shit film, they just made a shit film, apparently.

 

[Neoxon]

Well, literally everyone knew the movie would flop critically. I really hoped that it wouldn't, but here we are.

Honestly the biggest problem with these movies is that it's just hard to cram a 4 person dynamic with each having their proper development, a villain, and carry the plot. That's why I think the Avengers was really successful, all the team members already had their development in their own movies, so we didn't need to fit that aspect in. And X-Men: First Class got around it by focusing on Magneto and Xavier with the team arguably being secondary. It's kind of unfortunate that Fantastic 4 can't have this application in a movie, but who knows, maybe one day. It'd probably work better in a show format.

Try 5 main characters...

 

[ionitron]

4 characters should not be hard to develop at all. the problem is shit writer/directors being on the team and probably studio interference as well.

plenty of films have had great teams. well before comic book movies even started to pop off.

Ah, right, I didn't even think about normal movies haha. I was mostly thinking about superhero movies, but yeah, you're right.

Try 5 main characters...

I retract everything blah!

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Try 5 main characters...

Or even more

 

[Slayven]

Try 5 main characters...

They made me cry over a raccoon man, what sorcery is that Neoxon, what sorcery is that?

 

[Htown]

Honestly the biggest problem with these movies is that it's just hard to cram a 4 person dynamic with each having their proper development, a villain, and carry the plot. That's why I think the Avengers was really successful, all the team members already had their development in their own movies, so we didn't need to fit that aspect in. And X-Men: First Class got around it by focusing on Magneto and Xavier with the team arguably being secondary. It's kind of unfortunate that Fantastic 4 can't have this application in a movie, but who knows, maybe one day. It'd probably work better in a show format.

The Incredibles did it just fine, and it was basically an unlicensed fantastic four movie.

 

[Slayven]

Well, literally everyone knew the movie would flop critically. I really hoped that it wouldn't, but here we are.

Honestly the biggest problem with these movies is that it's just hard to cram a 4 person dynamic with each having their proper development, a villain, and carry the plot. That's why I think the Avengers was really successful, all the team members already had their development in their own movies, so we didn't need to fit that aspect in. And X-Men: First Class got around it by focusing on Magneto and Xavier with the team arguably being secondary. It's kind of unfortunate that Fantastic 4 can't have this application in a movie, but who knows, maybe one day. It'd probably work better in a show format.

Fast and Furious has a cast of thousands and one of them is Tyrese!!

 

[creationtheory]

I'd like to play a trick on Sony where I pitch a terrible superhero movie to them and they give me 100 million dollars to make it. Then I lie to them during the entire 'production' period and create fake bad reviews when the movies is about to be released. They start freaking out thinking they've just made another terrible mistake. Then on the release date I reveal to them that the movie was never made and the money was used to feed millions of starving children.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

Hmm, not all of those are bad ideas. I actually dig

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the idea where they left him in the zero zone/planet/dark closet and can't get back to him in a year therefore when they get him back he's now bitter and understandably angry as his so called friend. The rest of it (bad boy, spoiled teen in basement, jealousy) isn't working though

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Yeah, but Trank kind of throws these in and then just moves on. Victor is hardly mentioned between the scene he gets left behind and when they get back to the zero planet/dimension thing. Nothing. They show some 20 minute segment about the Fantastic Four and then they jump forward a year. It's really that bad writing. Dr. Doom seems to be thrown in just because they needed a villain. Trank doesn't exactly explain why he is supposed to end life on earth. It could end with the Fantastic Four figuring out their powers and whatnot and no one wouldn't even notice that Victor was missing in the end.

 

[crimsonspider89]

F4 is relatively easy.

A: Don't do an origin. HIre young actors for the trip then 10 years later.
B: Don't go grounded. Go crazy science.
C: Read Hickman's F4. Try to emulate the relationships and character personalities from there.
D: MAKE Doom bloody Doom. Not hard to do and a timeless villain.

 

[Neoxon]

For reference, here's how the 8pm showing on Thursday is selling for my local theater. Disregard the light blue seat, I just opened the ticket menu to see how filled the theater would be.

 

[boiled goose]

The casting was bad.
Origin story was bad.
The script was bad.

 

[dabig2]

Fantastic 4 has to be the most embarrassingly handled comic movie franchise in forever - yes, even more than Sony's Spiderman which had at least a few good movies before turning to shit. All the F4 movies put out by Fox have been (or will be) horribad. People compare Marvel's stinkers to other shitty comic book movies here, but the realization is that even Marvel's worst, offensively shitty movies (IM2 or Thor 2 by majority consensus - not your random opinion no one cares about) don't come close in shittiness to Fox's output with Fantastic Four. And it's super depressing to watch, even if you're not a F4 fan.

I don't even care about the actual family dynamic. Just give me a Doom that's...Doom. Also give me some Annihilus, Negative Zone, Super Skrull, and whatever alien races Fox is robbing us of watching in the cinemas. Though with Spidey now in the MCU, I would love to see the friendship between Pete and Johnny.

 

[Nathan_Drake]

I knew it was fucked when I heard they used the 3d money to reshoots due to negative reactions to the preliminary film. 10 to 15 minutes of Doom is a joke. I get upset because Doom is my favorite Marvel property. Fantastic Four is an awesome property considering they get Surfer and Galactus as well. These villains need to be treated better. Maybe a standalone Doom film would work but not with these clowns. I know they put these out to keep the rights secure but it really upsets me knowing that if they reverted back to Marvel we could have some awesome story lines, mostly due to the vilains. I may wait for it to hit redbox. One person isn't going to make a difference I know but it's my only way to show my discontent.

 

[hal9001]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

Not gonna lie. This Doom would make a decent Terminator villain.

 

[TheYoungHeroRises]

The movie is looking to be a total disaster for Fox.

Disney/Marvel getting the F4 rights back doesn't seem half bad at this point.

It's now down to 15% on Rotten Tomatoes.

http://http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2015/http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2015/

 

[TheBowen]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

Honestly, thought that looked pretty cool but not as doom


Also mr sunday movies ( a pretty funny/credible and all round swell bloke/dickhead) made a review of it pretty much saying that whilst there are glimmers of good scenes, decent cgi, and good casting, the film is a complete mishmash of what seems like 20 different directors doing 5 different origin stories and just slammed them into one and is pretty much a nothing film

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WjsgDTbEF9g

 

[kris.]

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Unfortunately it's true. Reed calls his main man Ben to join their drunken endeavour, because "you gotta be here". Then Ben goes through all possible security checks etc. 'cause drunken Reed says "he's with me". So he gets into the multibillion lab without any trouble at all. Makes sense?

 

[LaNaranja]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

The scene itself is pretty badass. The biggest problem (besides the bland hallway) is that Doom looks like shit.

 

[Sou Da]

Some of the scenes and lines I've read about sound like straight parody.

 

[Discotheque]

I'm not. Ang Lee's resume was varied and accomplished even before Brokeback. Crouching Tiger proved he had action chops but The Ice Storm and Sense and Sensibility are also two legitimately great films.

There's too much money on the table now. WB could afford to bet the farm on Nolan because they had nothing to lose—Schumacher had already razed the Batman franchise to the ground. Now, studios play it safe and give these films to people who have experience in the genre or with "genre" fiction, in general (ie. fantasy/sci-fi), for their special effects experience, I guess. So you get Snyder or a random Game of Thrones director. Which isn't to say that they're bad—but usually they haven't proven that they have any kind of creative vision, let alone that they can execute it.

i agree with all of this. some very disappointing directors being given the reigns to these properties now.

it all leads to cookie cutter stuff in the end.

 

[LosDaddie]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

I wonder how many of the anti-MCU crowd here secretly wanted F4 to do well just out of spite. Everyone else pretty much knew this movie was going to be a train wreck. Doom as a blogger? Richards as just a normal college kid working a job?

Just give Marvel back the damn rights if you can't even get the basic stuff down.

 

[JdFoX187]

Hmm, not all of those are bad ideas. I actually dig

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the idea where they left him in the zero zone/planet/dark closet and can't get back to him in a year therefore when they get him back he's now bitter and understandably angry as his so called friend. The rest of it (bad boy, spoiled teen in basement, jealousy) isn't working though

The problem is they didn't need any of that other stuff. Just

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leaving him there and not returning

should be all he needs as justification to be EXTREMELY pissed. The rest is just superfluous stuff that does nothing but water down the character.

 

[unholyrevenger72]

4 characters should not be hard to develop at all. the problem is shit writer/directors being on the team and probably studio interference as well.

plenty of films have had great teams. well before comic book movies even started to pop off.

No the problem is creative freedom. Imagine if Ben was the main character and struggled in keeping his family together, while maintaining a soul sucking 9 to 5. Imagine Reed, Ben's Husband, a man of average intellect, a nagging husband telling the whole family that they can't use their powers in public. Which is extremely painful for son, Johnny who's a showboat, and daughter Sue who has self esteem and self image issues.

 

[H.Cornerstone]

i agree with all of this. some very disappointing directors being given the reigns to these properties now.

it all leads to cookie cutter stuff in the end.

Going to disagree, James Gunn and The Russo brothers were very unsafe picks.

 

[Neoxon]

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Unfortunately it's true. Reed calls his main man Ben to join their drunken endeavour, because "you gotta be here". Then Ben goes through all possible security checks etc. 'cause drunken Reed says "he's with me". So he gets into the multibillion lab without any trouble at all. Makes sense?

I can't believe this is actually real.

 

[ultracal31]

The problem is they didn't need any of that other stuff. Just

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leaving him there and not returning

should be all he needs as justification to be EXTREMELY pissed. The rest is just superfluous stuff that does nothing but water down the character.

And from what it sounds like what's there is more of an after thought :\

 

[richiek]

Poster by Bryan Hitch:

Isn't it sad that this artwork looks miles better than the shitty looking Doom in the actual film.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Fast and Furious has a cast of thousands and one of them is Tyrese!!

Didn't want this to go unnoticed.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

I can't believe this is actually real.

Go watch it and get surprised.

 

[G-Fex]

I kind of like the thought of a human Doom getting left in another world and maybe assuming power and building a kingdom or whatever.

Looks like that isn't what this is.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

And from what it sounds like what's there is more of an after thought :\

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The teleporter thingie gets broken, that's why it takes them some time to get back to the zero planet. Also Reed goes AWOL, but when he's brought back, he fixes the errors in the code in ten minutes. He even says something like "it takes less than 10 minutes" when the project leaders are all "how is this possible?" The script... it's bad.

 

[user_nat]

One of my favourite things in this movie is the Area 57 location. Which is introduced as being in a classified location, seemingly only reachable by air.
Later it turns out this place is right next to a major highway.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

One of my favourite things in this movie is the Area 57 location. Which is introduced as being in a classified location, seemingly only reachable by air.
Later it turns out this place is right next to a major highway.

Oh yeah! I totally forgot to include that in my review. Damn!

 

[Neoxon]

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The teleporter thingie gets broken, that's why it takes them some time to get back to the zero planet. Also Reed goes AWOL, but when he's brought back, he fixes the errors in the code in ten minutes. He even says something like "it takes less than 10 minutes" when the project leaders are all "how is this possible?" The script... it's bad.

This is so bad it's actually funny.

 

[unholyrevenger72]

F4 is relatively easy.

A: Don't do an origin. HIre young actors for the trip then 10 years later.
B: Don't go grounded. Go crazy science.
C: Read Hickman's F4. Try to emulate the relationships and character personalities from there.
D: MAKE Doom bloody Doom. Not hard to do and a timeless villain.

A: Fair enough
B: LOL No, mass audiences won't buy that shit. It's one thing when the hero has a single gimmick, Ant-Man. It's another when Reed's IQ score reads - Deus Ex Machina
C: Your F4 isn't someone elses F4
D: Doom is not timeless, Doom is dated as fuck. Doom is a product of Post WW2 and the Cold war, an era of honest to goodness Evil Dictators. Julian McMahon's Evil CEO is as close to Evil Dictator Doom you will ever get

 

[Sojgat]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

What's this movie rated again?

Violence seems a little more... intense than what I was expecting.

 

[More_Badass]

A: Fair enough
B: LOL No, mass audiences won't buy that shit. It's one thing when the hero has a single gimmick, Ant-Man. It's another when Reed's IQ score reads - Deus Ex Machina
C: Your F4 isn't someone elses F4
D: Doom is not timeless, Doom is dated as fuck. Doom is a product of Post WW2 and the Cold war, an era of honest to goodness Evil Dictators. Julian McMahon's Evil CEO is as close to Evil Dictator Doom you will ever get

Crazy science is like one of best things about F4. Alternate dimensions, cosmic beings, otherworldly and completely alien realities, and such. A grounded F4 just feels off

What's this movie rated again?

Violence seems a little more... intense than what I was expecting.

That's modern PG-13 for you

 

[G-Fex]

What's this movie rated again?

Violence seems a little more... intense than what I was expecting.

That's true, that was pretty brutal of doom.

 

[JigglesBunny]

What's this movie rated again?

2/10....


OH YOU MEANT
OH
PG-13

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

A: Fair enough
B: LOL No, mass audiences won't buy that shit. It's one thing when the hero has a single gimmick, Ant-Man. It's another when Reed's IQ score reads - Deus Ex Machina
C: Your F4 isn't someone elses F4
D: Doom is not timeless, Doom is dated as fuck. Doom is a product of Post WW2 and the Cold war, an era of honest to goodness Evil Dictators. Julian McMahon's Evil CEO is as close to Evil Dictator Doom you will ever get

This is just a horrible post.

 

[unholyrevenger72]

Crazy science is like one of best things about F4. Alternate dimensions, cosmic beings, otherworldly and completely alien realities, and such. A grounded F4 just feels off

People can go with cosmic entities and alternate dimensions because those things are usually earned, it's Reed's IQ that's the problem, and the Deus Ex Machina attached to it. see below

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The teleporter thingie gets broken, that's why it takes them some time to get back to the zero planet. Also Reed goes AWOL, but when he's brought back, he fixes the errors in the code in ten minutes. He even says something like "it takes less than 10 minutes" when the project leaders are all "how is this possible?" The script... it's bad.

This is so bad it's actually funny.

 

[Discotheque]

This is so bad it's actually funny.

tony stark's done that kind of thing like 15 times. and reed richards is supposed to be even more ridiculously intelligent isn't he?

i always thought the fantastic four were lame as hell but reed and doom interested me. a shame they didn't do much of note with this or their rivalry. toby kebbell and miles teller are not bad actors. they were just given bad writing and direction.

 

[Glass Rebel]

A: Fair enough
B: LOL No, mass audiences won't buy that shit. It's one thing when the hero has a single gimmick, Ant-Man. It's another when Reed's IQ score reads - Deus Ex Machina
C: Your F4 isn't someone elses F4
D: Doom is not timeless, Doom is dated as fuck. Doom is a product of Post WW2 and the Cold war, an era of honest to goodness Evil Dictators. Julian McMahon's Evil CEO is as close to Evil Dictator Doom you will ever get

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Hahahahaha



http://comicbook.com/2015/08/05/fantastic-four-cast-members-walked-among-comic-con-fans-and-no-o/

Let's be honest, Jaime Bell is a good looking nobody, and Comic-Con seems like the kind of audience to pick up show midway through season 2.

 

[More_Badass]

People can go with cosmic entities and alternate dimensions because those things are usually earned, it's Reed's IQ that's the problem, and the Deus Ex Machina attached to it. see below

Maybe. Sounds like in this movie, definitely

A better movie might contrast Reed's and Doom's intellect and what drives them, and how despite Reed's intelligence, Doom can still outwit and outmaneuver him. And in that way, take what could be a Deus Ex Machina and turn it into a legit plot point/narrative arc