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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Can you touch your elbows to the ground? With a little training I probably could. Makes it easier to blow my back out. Shoulder dislocations are extremely easy for me, even without warmup or having done them in a long time, which means I have less stability especially in pressing. Some types of joint looseness are good and some are bad. I wish my hips were a bit looser and I focus my mobility work on them. My ankles seem to be on spot, but my back and shoulders probably could be tighter.

Yeah, glad I don't have those problems. I'm just now focusing on shoulder flexibility because it's starting to become an issue.

Should have been doing it from the get go probably, but better late than never.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
So question, this old annoying guy always asks for spots. Never fucking fails, he can't do shit by himself. Anyway, one day he was fucking DRIPPING in sweat and he asks me to help him put his weighted backpack on. I almost didn't because of how disgusting he was.

Would anyone have said no?

When I say dripping, I mean like he could have just come in from a rain storm or just stepped out of the shower. He was dripping sweat everywhere and his clothes were soaked.



lol
 

Petrie

Banned
Awesome, squats are back on track. Got 290 3x5 today!

Now, it was suggested earlier that I alter my current workout plan:

Monday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press - 3 sets of 5
Deadlifts - 1 set of 5
Pull-Ups - 3 sets of 8-15

Wednesday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Overhead Press - 3 sets of 5
Power Cleans - 5 sets of 3
Abdominal work

Friday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press - 3 sets of 5
Deadlift - 1 set of 5
Bent Over Rows - 3 set of 5
Arm work, if desired

And instead only squat twice a week, leaving it like this:

Monday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press - 3 sets of 5
Deadlifts - 1 set of 5
Pull-Ups - 3 sets of 8-15

Wednesday
Overhead Press - 3 sets of 5
Power Cleans - 5 sets of 3
Abdominal work

Friday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press - 3 sets of 5
Deadlift - 1 set of 5
Bent Over Rows - 3 set of 5
Arm work, if desired

I feel like this leaves Wednesdays far too light though. Should I shift anything else around perhaps? I dunno, just feels like having a day where all I really do is OHP and Power Cleans isn't enough at all.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Awesome, squats are back on track. Got 290 3x5 today!

Now, it was suggested earlier that I alter my current workout plan:



And instead only squat twice a week, leaving it like this:



I feel like this leaves Wednesdays far too light though. Should I shift anything else around perhaps? I dunno, just feels like having a day where all I really do is OHP and Power Cleans isn't enough at all.

It's perfectly fine.

When you get into programs like 5/3/1 you only do 3 to 4 exercises a day if that. (the focus is on the main lift).
 

Petrie

Banned
That's more than enough.

When you get into programs like 5/3/1 you only do 3 to 4 exercises a day.

Yeah, but this is only 2. I hardly count a few planks or whatever as an exercise, and generally I don't really both with so called "abdominal work". My core gets enough work from my other lifts.

But if Shogun says it is enough, that's good enough for me!
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Yeah, but this is only 2. I hardly count a few planks or whatever as an exercise, and generally I don't really both with so called "abdominal work". My core gets enough work from my other lifts.

Well in 5/3/1 you don't even count assistance exercises, you just do them. So you're doing 1 main exercise.

If it really bothers you, throw in some lateral raises or some chins.


(I understand you're not doing 5/3/1, but you may look into it down the road, I'm just throwing other ideas at you.)
 
Yeah, but this is only 2. I hardly count a few planks or whatever as an exercise, and generally I don't really both with so called "abdominal work". My core gets enough work from my other lifts.

But if Shogun says it is enough, that's good enough for me!

Some programs have you doing 3 sets of light squats, maybe add that?
 

ezrarh

Member
I don't know if it would be an issue but you could put rows on the same day as the cleans. I really like dips for the tris if you aren't already doing them.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
But if Shogun says it is enough, that's good enough for me!

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Don't go that route. I'm not a fucking expert. I've gotten incredibly lucky with how I ended up. It was due to feedback from this thread, videos on youtube, and reading articles (most from this thread).

The best idea is to listen to your body and adhear to your programming. (I didn't use a program and probably should have, which is why I am now.)

If you think you can add something without over training. Go for it, you can always scale it back, but for the love of God, don't take what I say as gospel, I'm just tossing other ideas from the book I just read at you.
 
Hmm? Are you doing all 5 sets at your heavy working weight?

Yeah, is this not the way to do it.

Are you doing stronglifts? You try 3 times and if you can't get the lift up on your 3rd attempt (3rd day) you Deload 10-15%. After the second time you Deload you switch to 3x5.

I'm not at the point where I feel like I need to deload. Going to give it another try next week.

Felt like a fucking BAUSSS today at the gym deadlifting 245 lbs. I know it's not too much yet but it was the first time I was almost able to do all 5 sets with that weight.
 
Yeah, is this not the way to do it.



I'm not at the point where I feel like I need to deload. Going to give it another try next week.

Felt like a fucking BAUSSS today at the gym deadlifting 245 lbs. I know it's not too much yet but it was the first time I was almost able to do all 5 sets with that weight.

Are you doing stronglifts?
 
Yeah, I just noticed that it says to only do one set for deadlifts. Is this what you were trying to point out Cuevas?

Yeah, that's why I wanted to know which program you were doing. If you're doing 5 sets you could probably be doing a lot more, but just keep going up now with 1 set (proper warm up of course) to keep good form.
 

Petrie

Banned
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Don't go that route. I'm not a fucking expert. I've gotten incredibly lucky with how I ended up. It was due to feedback from this thread, videos on youtube, and reading articles (most from this thread).

The best idea is to listen to your body and adhear to your programming. (I didn't use a program and probably should have, which is why I am now.)

If you think you can add something without over training. Go for it, you can always scale it back, but for the love of God, don't take what I say as gospel, I'm just tossing other ideas from the book I just read at you.

I wasn't being serious. lol Guess that didn't come through well via text.


Some programs have you doing 3 sets of light squats, maybe add that?

Maybe I'll go this route. I'll just see how I feel come Wednesday and follow my body's cues.
 

X-Frame

Member
What does this mean?

The shoulder is the most mobile of all the joints. Too much of a good thing can also be a bad thing. Tendons and ligaments are much more susceptible to injury such as dislocations, labral tearing, among other issues with too much range of motion.

I have loose joints and it's genetic. My mother is the same way she could lock her hands and lift them up over her head then in back of her and then again under her feet and then again in front of her without unlocking them.

When you're already very mobile in the shoulder for example, you obviously don't require any shoulder mobility exercises like dislocations as it will only make the shoulder more vulnerable to injury. Instead, those like me need to focus on stability exercises like rotator cuff strengthening and upper back activation (lower traps), serratus anterior strength, etc.

And because it is much easier to loosen up tight muscles than it is to strengthen connective tissues (tendons/ligaments), it seems easier to be tight and focus on mobility than be loose and focus on stability.
 

ezrarh

Member
Yeah, I just noticed that it says to only do one set for deadlifts. Is this what you were trying to point out Cuevas?

Okay - yeah just do one set of deadlifts plus warmups. I was a little confused since I've never heard of a program having you do 5 sets of deadlifts for 5 reps at working weight, especially for beginners/intermediates.
 
Do you guys wear a powerlifting belt? I'm thinking of buying one soon. It's getting to the point where the weights are starting to give me a little fear of breaking something.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
A guy came up to me at the gym and asked me what event I was training so hard for. Life, motherfucker.

That's gold! Since returning to deadlift 6 weeks ago it has been progressing nicely. Today I got 335x4. Is there anything you can do about leaving the gym with bloody shins?

Threw in 2 muscle ups after just for the hell of it. They are much harder 2 days after back day.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Ok, so I just took a few pics. Going to document this year as I try to cut for summer and still gain.

I think I'm a little thinner and more muscled than the last time I took pics, but probably not THAT much more.

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If nothing else, I may look about the same size in these pictures and it will serve as a good base line for the beginning of the year.

No, not at all, but I know you listen, read, and research what you do, so your opinion is always valued.

Plus, that bench press. Goddamn.

Appreciate that.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
I guess I'm lucky that my shoulder flexibility is awesome. I can knock-out 20 consecutive shoulder dis-locations (or pass-throughs as they are referred to by some) without much effort and I have no trouble doing overhead squats with near perfect form.
 

X-Frame

Member
I guess I'm lucky that my shoulder flexibility is awesome. I can knock-out 20 consecutive shoulder dis-locations (or pass-throughs as they are referred to by some) without much effort and I have no trouble doing overhead squats with near perfect form.

Like I said, the flexibility comes with a price (increased vulnerability to injury).

I'd recommend that unless any lack of shoulder mobility inhibits exercises, don't overdue it. Don't do dislocations just for the hell of it.


This is something that's a pretty big issue with the fitness industry today. There's tons of articles about exercises for people to do but most people don't stop to think if said exercises are good for them specifically. I'm not talking to you here reilo, just in general.
 
Like I said, the flexibility comes with a price (increased vulnerability to injury).

I'd recommend that unless any lack of shoulder mobility inhibits exercises, don't overdue it. Don't do dislocations just for the hell of it.


This is something that's a pretty big issue with the fitness industry today. There's tons of articles about exercises for people to do but most people don't stop to think if said exercises are good for them specifically. I'm not talking to you here reilo, just in general.

I was having trouble at the end of my press getting under the bar but after introducing dislocations it pretty much went away. But you're right, people do BS just for the hell of it. That just goes back to the fuckarounditis.

like this guy:
http://i.imgur.com/avIzc.png
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Like I said, the flexibility comes with a price (increased vulnerability to injury).

I'd recommend that unless any lack of shoulder mobility inhibits exercises, don't overdue it. Don't do dislocations just for the hell of it.


This is something that's a pretty big issue with the fitness industry today. There's tons of articles about exercises for people to do but most people don't stop to think if said exercises are good for them specifically. I'm not talking to you here reilo, just in general.

I don't think I'm overdoing them. I do them once maybe twice a week and never more than 10-20 at a time.

I also do hang-clean and jerks and other exercises that try to build shoulder stability and strength.

I think "don't overdo it" is great advise in general. It's probably the biggest feedback I have given to posters in this thread when they let us know that they do four different leg exercises at 5x10 rep schemes.
 

MjFrancis

Member
Good before picks, AlienShogun, but they disappeared on me.

RE: the shaved head, if I didn't know who you were, I'd guess ex-military on the spot.
 

MjFrancis

Member
They're back now. Probably a problem with my browser or something.

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Tried weighted pistol squats today. I see why they aren't recommended - much harder to balance and I could see how one could get hurt with an appreciable amount of weight being held by a single leg - and losing your footing.

I got to a set of three on each leg with only 35lbs before I decided it wasn't the best idea for me. Like Jim @ Beastskills.com recommends, weighted single-leg step-ups would be a much better alternative.

Or, you know, barbell squatting.
 

OG Kush

Member
Can anyone recommend me a decently priced creatine or all-in-one shake?
Or just buy creatine on its own cheap? but i heard i have to mix this with juice which i'd rather not do, but then those all in one type powder shakes seem overpriced..
 

JB1981

Member
That's gold! Since returning to deadlift 6 weeks ago it has been progressing nicely. Today I got 335x4. Is there anything you can do about leaving the gym with bloody shins?

Threw in 2 muscle ups after just for the hell of it. They are much harder 2 days after back day.

thick socks and sweats. shins shouldn't be bleeding that much tho

- man i cannot get a grip today .. just keep laying around .. lazy as fuck
 

Petrie

Banned
Can anyone recommend me a decently priced creatine or all-in-one shake?
Or just buy creatine on its own cheap? but i heard i have to mix this with juice which i'd rather not do, but then those all in one type powder shakes seem overpriced..

Creatine needs some kind of juice or some such to help be absorbed properly. Unsure why you'd rather not do so, but if you're unwilling, I'd skip it entirely.
 

MrToughPants

Brian Burke punched my mom
Good news is PT said I can begin pressing lightly now, was only doing db fly for the last 2 weeks. RCs are still clicking sometimes when I wake up, but there's no pain since I began doing all the exercises for them.

Obliterated my entire backside last night I can barely sit down today. Got 195kgx5 RDLs and then did walking BB lunges up to 90kg followed up with 10 x 5 pendlays with 90/100kg then did a double with 110kg. After BB rows I did inverted rows for 5x10 and did db shrugs inbetween.
 

grumble

Member
Creatine needs some kind of juice or some such to help be absorbed properly. Unsure why you'd rather not do so, but if you're unwilling, I'd skip it entirely.

Juice is supposed to help absorption, but it isn't necessary. You can take creatine with a standard meal (or my favourite, dissolved in hot lemon water) and it's absorb fine. Just don't use large doses at once to avoid waste and digestive upset.

As for whether or not you should take it, pretty much EVERYONE should take it unless they're competing in a weight class.
 

Petrie

Banned
Juice is supposed to help absorption, but it isn't necessary. You can take creatine with a standard meal (or my favourite, dissolved in hot lemon water) and it's absorb fine. Just don't use large doses at once to avoid waste and digestive upset.

As for whether or not you should take it, pretty much EVERYONE should take it unless they're competing in a weight class.

Interesting, not what I had read, hence why I have a big jug going unused. Perhaps I'll start a new cycle. Is there an ideal time to take it?
 

grumble

Member
Interesting, not what I had read, hence why I have a big jug going unused. Perhaps I'll start a new cycle. Is there an ideal time to take it?

I generally take it before bed (hence hot lemon water, very soothing and creatine is tasteless and dissolves well in hot water with a good stir).

It doesn't matter when you take it, though you might find a little queasiness if you take it on a totally empty stomach for the first couple of days. It doesn't have an acute effect; it builds up over a 3-4 week period then stabilizes, so just take it whenever you want.

I find there is a noticeable improvement with creatine. Adds a little to the top end and definitely adds a rep or two to the sets. It's a slow upswing over a couple of weeks though. This is independent of training, and i've found it to be pretty reliable. About 20% of people just don't respond to it though.
 

balddemon

Banned
Been doing bodyweight stuff lately, haven't even been to the gym in a couple weeks. Only takes 20 minutes to work out, but I'm getting more cut and had to add more reps to everything a couple days ago. Only thing I'm having trouble with is pistol squats, which I think is due to hamstring flexibility.

Also, running over to my church then working out there and doing suicides on teh basketball court for HIIT is amazing.
 

balddemon

Banned
One legged squats are fine for me, but pistol squats are a real bitch. Maybe I should work on touching my toes first hahaha


Also, anyone know what the position is where you are only on your hands, and your knees are on your elbows? I'm trying to find videos of people going from that position to handstand, as that is one of my goals.
 

OG Kush

Member
I generally take it before bed (hence hot lemon water, very soothing and creatine is tasteless and dissolves well in hot water with a good stir).

It doesn't matter when you take it, though you might find a little queasiness if you take it on a totally empty stomach for the first couple of days. It doesn't have an acute effect; it builds up over a 3-4 week period then stabilizes, so just take it whenever you want.

I find there is a noticeable improvement with creatine. Adds a little to the top end and definitely adds a rep or two to the sets. It's a slow upswing over a couple of weeks though. This is independent of training, and i've found it to be pretty reliable. About 20% of people just don't respond to it though.

Ok cool, did you ever do "loading" with creatine as well?
 

grumble

Member
Ok cool, did you ever do "loading" with creatine as well?

I didn't load, because it causes stomach queasiness and it won't all get absorbed, creating waste. If you want to load, take two smaller doses daily several hours apart. I took one heaping teaspoon every evening, thoroughly dissolved.
 

thomaser

Member
Creatine needs some kind of juice or some such to help be absorbed properly. Unsure why you'd rather not do so, but if you're unwilling, I'd skip it entirely.

I take it with milk and the usual protein powder. That should work just as well as with juice, no?
 

balddemon

Banned
Creatine works well with water. I think the reason you take it with juice ( I just drink a glass of OJ after I take it) has to do with the fructose in the juice...I could look it up but -- nvm looked it up
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/animalpak22.htm

The concept behind taking creatine with sugar such as grape juice is sound. But the trick is not the grape juice per serving. It has to do with insulin's function in the body. For creatine uptake to be enhanced, insulin release should be encouraged. Insulin functions as a kind of creatine pump, pushing it into muscles. If you're going to stick to juice, make sure you get at least 100g of juice for every 5g of creatine. Depending on your level and your goals, juice loaded with sugars may not be suitable. Newer research indicates that you can take your creatine with protein for the same results. A new study reports that taking 5g of creatine with 50g of protein/47g of carbs produced the same results as taking 5g with 96g of carbs.
 

lenovox1

Member
Also, anyone know what the position is where you are only on your hands, and your knees are on your elbows? I'm trying to find videos of people going from that position to handstand, as that is one of my goals.

Are you talking about Bakasana (crow or crane pose)?
 
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