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[lenovox1]

And what kind of results is that? getting stronger? That's it. Good, tell me how your day changes the next day and beyond. People post pics of themselves in this thread, and judging by their physiques, I'm not impressed (Cooter has a nice physique, though). They're big, but have no defintion. I've posted plenty of pics of myself in this thread, and in other threads. Both straight and Gaygaf goes crazy, and I've gotten many PMs asking what my routine is. I've had women say I have an amazing body, and I love the compliments. Makes them more physically attractive to you. But I'm also strong for my weight and height, too.

That's nice. Now considering slider's stated goals ("lose weight" and become "a lot stronger"), I think he's been given the proper advice. But you're right in saying that not all routines work for all people, lifestyle wise.

ETA: And rando14's right. You've been going at it for 10 years. Someone that's completely new at this has different ideals.

 

[ezrarh]

And what kind of results is that? getting stronger? That's it. Good, tell me how your day changes the next day and beyond. People post pics of themselves in this thread, and judging by their physiques, I'm not impressed (Cooter has a nice physique, though). They're big, but have no defintion. I've posted plenty of pics of myself in this thread, and in other threads. Both straight and Gaygaf goes crazy, and I've gotten many PMs asking what my routine is. I've had women say I have an amazing body, and I love the compliments. Makes them more physically attractive to you. But I'm also strong for my weight and height, too.

Yeah but you've been doing this for 10 years and if your goal was to have a sculpted body, I would have hoped you've already achieved your goals (which you obviously do). People ask for advice and we give them advice that will achieve desired results in the most efficient manner. What do people usually want when they ask for help here? To get stronger and bigger so your generic response will be to read the OP and do compound lifts. We're not going to tell them to continue doing isolation exercises 5 days a week for 10 years just so they can one day get a body like Jason.

 

[Draft]

Of course, do what works. Until you figure out what works, do what's worked for lots of other people.

 

[slider]

That's nice. Now considering slider's stated goals ("lose weight" and become "a lot stronger"), I think he's been given the proper advice. But you're right in saying that not all routines work for all people, lifestyle wise.

ETA: And rando14's right. You've been going at it for 10 years. Someone that's completely new at this has different ideals.

I'm hoping to become this thread's project. Gonna maybe post pics with feedback on my own routines. C'mon slider, don't let the scientific community down.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

And what kind of results is that? getting stronger? That's it. Good, tell me how your day changes the next day and beyond. People post pics of themselves in this thread, and judging by their physiques, I'm not impressed (Cooter has a nice physique, though). They're big, but have no defintion. I've posted plenty of pics of myself in this thread, and in other threads. Both straight and Gaygaf goes crazy, and I've gotten many PMs asking what my routine is. I've had women say I have an amazing body, and I love the compliments. Makes them more physically attractive to you. But I'm also strong for my weight and height, too.

My fatness isn't my routines fault, it's my mouth's fault.

Good for you for getting other people's acceptance on your appearance though! I'm glad that's not something I feel compelled to set a goal for.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

When I say it took me years to figure out diet was an important, I really mean like 5 years. I never looked internet sites for tips. I just ate whatever and lifted whatever. Now 5 years is a long ass time to be doing that routine. But hey, whatever. I've fluctuated with my weight on and off due to financial reasons, stopped going to the gym, etc.. If I knew then what I know now, I'd probably look different today.

Good for you for getting other people's acceptance on your appearance though! I'm glad that's not something I feel compelled to set a goal for.

Having a nice body is just a precursor to feeling and looking good.

Anyway, all I'm saying that 99% of the people I see at the gym do isolation exercises. They don't follow the OP's routine. And those 99% of the lifters look great and are strong.

There's nothing wrong with an isolation routine, no matter what your goals are.

 

[entremet]

I can see what's Jason's saying, even though I'm I prefer a SS/SL training protocol, isolation work does seem taboo here.

But for getting strength gains quickly, I've done best with compound lifting protocols. Moreover, these protocols aren't as time intensive as the BB splits routines, which makes it easier on beginners to get good gains and develop good gym habits.

Regarding physique, it is true that most of that is defined by your diet and not so much training, but I'm not sure a lot of people here want six pack ab look either.

Most regular posters here seem to want to be strong, healthy and reasonably lean, that doesn't necessarily mean sub 8 percent body fat for most.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

When I say it took me years to figure out diet was an important, I really mean like 5 years. I never looked internet sites for tips. I just ate whatever and lifted whatever. Now 5 years is a long ass time to be doing that routine. But hey, whatever. I've fluctuated with my weight on and off due to financial reasons, stopped going to the gym, etc.. If I knew then what I know now, I'd probably look different today.



Having a nice body is just a precursor to feeling and looking good.

Anyway, all I'm saying that 99% of the people I see at the gym do isolation exercises. They don't follow the OP's routine. And those 99% of the lifters look great and are strong.

There's nothing wrong with an isolation routine, no matter what your goals are.

Eh, I'm fat and I feel fantastic, and I also feel that I look great too, so there's that.

Also, I would argue that there are some goals that would be hindered by an isolation routine. Mainly powerlifting, assuming that is of course that you're saying a "mainly isolation based routine."

That said, I'm not really arguing against you about coming down hard on people based on their routines, especially if they are working for them. Shit, I spent most of my lifting time not on a routine with way too much assistance work, until I learned better.

The most important thing is that the person keeps at whatever keeps them active without injuring themselves.

 

[ezrarh]

My fatness isn't my routines fault, it's my mouth's fault.

At least the beefaroni gets you super strength.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

At least the beefaroni gets you super strength.

Unfortunately I cut most of that shit out. No soda, beefaroni etc. I only have 1 bad day a week.

I went back to how I ate as a runner, but changed out carbs for protein.

 

[entremet]

Unfortunately I cut most of that shit out. No soda, beefaroni etc. I only have 1 bad day a week.

I went back to how I ate as a runner, but changed out carbs for protein.

You could always do diet soda, unless you find it repulsive. I'm the opposite, I can't drink regular soda anymore.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

And what kind of results is that? getting stronger? That's it. Good, tell me how your day changes the next day and beyond. People post pics of themselves in this thread, and judging by their physiques, I'm not impressed (Cooter has a nice physique, though). They're big, but have no defintion. I've posted plenty of pics of myself in this thread, and in other threads. Both straight and Gaygaf goes crazy, and I've gotten many PMs asking what my routine is. I've had women say I have an amazing body, and I love the compliments. Makes them more physically attractive to you. But I'm also strong for my weight and height, too.

Are you suggesting that goals of increased strength and long-term health are trivial or frivolous? Or that looking good should be a more important goal to most people than those?

Putting someone on SS isn't going to turn them into the guys in this thread that you're referring to who are "big with no definition". That requires time, dedication, and desire. You're right, not everyone wants to look like that and deadlift 500 lbs or squat 400 lbs (I personally don't either). That's not what SS and the OP are about. SS (and other similar routines) is plain and simple one of the fastest and simplest routes to getting bigger and stronger. When done correctly, most people WILL be in better shape, WILL be lifting more and will most likely look much better aesthetically than when they started.

There are other ways to get there, of course, but why NOT recommend SS when it's so effective? I've seen your pics, and SS is a perfectly reasonable route to take to start towards achieving that goal. Do you disagree?

 

[rando14]

Now I'm tempted to post a pic. But that entails shaving, and I'm so, so hairy.

EDIT: Saw this in Reddit Fitness. A 140 lb girl doing a 300 lb deadlift. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9QeSbG4LX0 Very cool!

 

[entremet]

Impressive!

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

There are other ways to get there, of course, but why NOT recommend SS when it's so effective? I've seen your pics, and SS is a perfectly reasonable route to take to start towards achieving that goal. Do you disagree?

No, I said that's fine for when it comes to newbies. If you want to suggest SS, then fine by me. My problem as I've stated already is that shitting on someone's current routine that isn't SS, and asking for advice to tweak their routine is what pisses me off. If someone is posting their routine that's only isolation, and they're doing too many exercises for each day, don't just tell them to drop isolation and stick to a full-body routine. Help them cut back on doing a number of back/chest/biceps/whatever exercises.

Hell, all I do now until I feel comfortable with my elbow is on Mondays I do chest, back, and triceps, and I hit them HARD. I choose three exercises and do 4 sets. I do DB chest press, incline bench press, and DB flies. Then I do as many pullups as I can, rows, and lat pullovers. For triceps I do seated dips with two 45lb plates on my lap and do as many dips as I can. Finally I do regular dips, but turn the other way around. I get a great pump, I look big and muscular after that workout. Wednesdays I do legs, and Fridays shoulders and abs.

I actually have a great chest, abs, and back. Someone from work commented on my back asking if I ever did gymnastics. I thought that was a weird question, but he said I have a wide back. Yes, it's from doing a shit ton of pullups.

EDIT-At work, a couple of guys joke around saying I don't have a chest, but when I show them pics of me shirtless on my phone, they change their tune.......but then again, I'm the type of person that if John Woo and Steve McQueen had a baby, then that baby would be me.

 

[Mr.City]

I really don't like it how people in this thread are so adamant about forcing people on certain programs. Follow this, follow that, etc.. Yes, I know we try to help newbies get on a routine like SS, but fuck that. If something works for you, you can't argue with success.

I've been lifting since 2002, and it literally took me years to figure out that diet was the main variable that would help get me bigger, stronger, and more cut. I've done isolation exercises for all those years. I did a 5 day routine doing back on Mondays, bis/tris on Tuesdays, chest on Wednesdays, shoulders on Thursdays, and legs on Fridays. Now the majority of you people would hate on that routine, but it WORKED. The only reason why I'm not doing that routine anymore is because my right elbow still hurts, and I don't want to take a chance of fucking it up even more.

Seriously, get off your high horse.

Aw man, isn't it shitty the way we give general advice in this thread to people who have never worked out before? Maybe they should learn by trial and error, which pretty much negates the whole purpose of this thread.

Although one thing isolation exercises are good for are trolling people in weight loss threads.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

You could always do diet soda, unless you find it repulsive. I'm the opposite, I can't drink regular soda anymore.

Oh, I still have a diet Mt Dew from time to time, but it's rare.

The funny thing about all this is that I wouldn't change my appearance for Jason's at the cost of my strength and he wouldn't change his looks for my strength.

Different strokes.

Personally I'd rather be big and a fucking powerhouse than have 6 pack abs. To me, abs are highly overrated, they don't serve any purpose other than appearance. But I know that that's just personal preference and everyone has different goals.

 

[Darkman M]

I do iso's too, but focus on compound lifts. The main thing is just getting up and getting it in for me. Telling people not to do iso's seems kinda dumb to me, there are 7 days in a week plenty of time to do both compound and iso.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

No, I said that's fine for when it comes to newbies

That's the thing, most of the people in here who have "current routines" are newbies. They might've been lifting for a year or two, but I'm guessing most aren't seeing great results, if any at all, and instead are showing signs of fuckarounditis. That's the reason they're coming in here for advice in the first place.

If someone has been doing an isolation-based routine and has been seeing consistent, strong results, then I don't think anyone in here is going to try to tell them they're "doing it wrong".

Your routine doesn't sound entirely isolation-based either if you're doing pull-ups, rows, bench, etc. I don't think anyone here is saying don't do ANY isos. The main point is, they should be mostly accessory exercises for specific purposes, and to supplement compound lifts.

And also (I can't let this one go)...why in the world do you have shirtless pics of yourself on your phone?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

I do iso's too, but focus on compound lifts. The main thing is just getting up and getting it in for me. Telling people not to do iso's seems kinda dumb to me, there are 7 days in a week plenty of time to do both compound and iso.

Don't take this the wrong way, but pretty much no one would be working out 7 days a week. There's a certain type of "economy" you have to deal with when you work out. If you "over spend" you will severely inhibit your body's ability to recover and build muscle, you will even risk injury. More often than not people do way more than they should be, especially when their experience/training time is taken into consideration.

Sometimes (more often than not) less is more.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Oh, I still have a diet Mt Dew from time to time, but it's rare.

The funny thing about all this is that I wouldn't change my appearance for Jason's at the cost of my strength and he wouldn't change his looks for my strength.

Different strokes.

Personally I'd rather be big and a fucking powerhouse than have 6 pack abs. To me, abs are highly overrated, they don't serve any purpose other than appearance. But I know that that's just personal preference and everyone has different goals.

That's nice. I don't know why most people in general outside of this thread wants abs, and that's all they focus on. Same thing when they said they want to get "tone." I have a nice, chiseled chest, V-shape figure lats, and decent arms. My legs are cut, but that's it. Always had a problem with trying to get them big.

And I don't know why you say I wouldn't trade my physique for your strength. I actually have both, BTW. I can do 25 pullups (45lb weighted, too), 40 dips (I can do 3 45lb plates), 100 push in 3 minutes, and I can bench more than 1.5x my weight. In the past I was able to pull 400lbs off the ground, and squat 315 and that's being 6'1 and 160 pounds.

I'd say that's pretty damn good for my size.

And also (I can't let this one go)...why in the world do you have shirtless pics of yourself on your phone?

Um, to send to women? I receive naked pics of women that they send via their phone. Don't you? =P

 

[Darkman M]

Don't take this the wrong way, but pretty much no one would be working out 7 days a week. There's a certain type of "economy" you have to deal with when you work out. If you "over spend" you will severely inhibit your body's ability to recover and build muscle, you will even risk injury. More often than not people do way more than they should be, especially when their experience/training time is taken into consideration.

Sometimes (more often than not) less is more.

Lol maybe that came out wrong i don't mean working out all 7 days, but you can get 2 of the big compound lifts knocked out in one day and if you are weight training four days a week there is plenty of time to throw in some isolation exercise.

 

[lenovox1]

[. . .]And also (I can't let this one go)...why in the world do you have shirtless pics of yourself on your phone?

The same guy that posted about his body in minute detail and what people have said about it? The same guy that's pulling Archer quotes? (But I can't hate on him. I have more than my fair share of those types of pictures on my phone/computer, too.)

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

Tons of guys have gotten ripped doing shitty routines, but it isn't the best way.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

That's nice. I don't know why most people in general outside of this thread wants abs, and that's all they focus on. Same thing when they said they want to get "tone." I have a nice, chiseled chest, V-shape figure lats, and decent arms. My legs are cut, but that's it. Always had a problem with trying to get them big.

And I don't know why you say I wouldn't trade my physique for your strength. I actually have both, BTW. I can do 25 pullups (45lb weighted, too), 40 dips (I can do 3 45lb plates), 100 push in 3 minutes, and I can bench more than 1.5x my weight. In the past I was able to pull 400lbs off the ground, and squat 315 and that's being 6'1 and 160 pounds.

I'd say that's pretty damn good for my size.



Um, to send to women? I receive naked pics of women that they send via their phone. Don't you? =P

You're kind of the defensive type aren't you? I wouldn't say you have my strength, but you can do some assistance work better than I can, which is great. I wish I could do that many pullups, it's not a focus for me though. The main lifts are. I'm sure I'll get up there with pullups eventually, but assistance work isn't my focus.

I mean I could go into detail about how people at school constantly ask what I do, how I got this big, or what my lifts are like. How guys that look like you stare at me in the gym to see what I'm doing, or watch my next big lift, but well, that just seems petty.

The same guy that posted about his body in minute detail and what people have said about it?

This is what already spoke volumes about him to me. I can't imagine being so invested in how I look or how others think I look.

Lol maybe that came out wrong i don't mean working out all 7 days, but you can get 2 of the big compound lifts knocked out in one day and if you are weight training four days a week there is plenty of time to throw in some isolation exercise.

Oh, yeah, most definitely.

 

[Kwhit10]

The way I see it is--isolation and compound exercises can get you to the same result; however, the compound exercises are a much more efficient way of getting there.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

No, I'm not defensive. I just hate it when you're implying that I'm the type of person that only focuses on abs, but nice generalizations, though. Keep at it, rookie.

How guys that look like you stare at me in the gym to see what I'm doing, or watch my next big lift, but well, that just seems petty.

That's nice, because if I saw you, I'd say to myself, "Oh, I'm sorry. What was that? I couldn't hear over the sound of my AWESOMENESS."

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

No, I'm not defensive. I just hate it when you're implying that I'm the type of person that only focuses on abs, but nice generalizations, though. Keep at it, rookie.



That's nice, because if I saw you, I'd say to myself, "Oh, I'm sorry. What was that? I couldn't hear over the sound of my AWESOMENESS."

Atta boy.

 

[Darkman M]

The way I see it is--isolation and compound exercises can get you to the same result; however, the compound exercises are a much more efficient way of getting there.

For getting ripped yeah, but for mass i don't know if any iso exercise can compare to something like deadlift in that department.

 

[entremet]

Tons of guys have gotten ripped doing shitty routines, but it isn't the best way.

Martin Berkham, of Leangains fame, is ripped to shreds and he prefers and endorses compound exercises for all his clients.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

For getting ripped yeah, but for mass i don't know if any iso exercise can compare to something like deadlift in that department.

"Ripped" is a product mostly of low body fat.

The issue with mostly isolation work is that it cuts out stabilizing and assisting muscles. It's not a "functional" exercise and as was said before it's inefficient.

IMO there's nothing wrong with isolation work if it's done after the core compound work is done.

 

[EviLore]

Exchange numbers so you can text each other more shirtless pics and aggressive foreplay without derailing the thread.

 

[Slayer-33]

What if you do compound exercises but don't up the weight (gym weights/machines) but also keep the nutrition at the same levels of calories/protein (enough to build muscle) you'll peak to a certain physique right?

 

[lethial]

What if you do compound exercises but don't up the weight (gym weights/machines) but also keep the nutrition at the same levels of calories/protein (enough to build muscle) you'll peak to a certain physique right?

Pretty much.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

What if you do compound exercises but don't up the weight (gym weights/machines) but also keep the nutrition at the same levels of calories/protein (enough to build muscle) you'll peak to a certain physique right?

Physique or not, you would definitely stop progressing at a certain point if you did the exact same thing day in and day out. Why would anyone do that though?

 

[Mr.City]

What if you do compound exercises but don't up the weight (gym weights/machines) but also keep the nutrition at the same levels of calories/protein (enough to build muscle) you'll peak to a certain physique right?

So, you're not eating for growth or training for growth? What's going to happen here?

 

[Slayer-33]

Physique or not, you would definitely stop progressing at a certain point if you did the exact same thing day in and day out. Why would anyone do that though?

Desired physique and then cut/rip up? I dunno bro


Just getting ideas on my head on how to achieve a certain look for some areas I guess. It's something you can do on a day to day basis I think, given the specific day of workout/eating guideline for that day.


Also to make your body a symmetric template for the future workout plan I guess.. if you can even say that.. I'm over thinking probably lol..

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Desired physique and then cut/rip up? I dunno bro


Just getting ideas on my head on how to achieve a certain look for some areas I guess. It's something you can do on a day to day basis I think, given the specific day of workout/eating guideline for that day.


Also to make your body a symmetric template for the future workout plan I guess.. if you can even say that.. I'm over thinking probably lol..

Yeah I think you're definitely overthinking it. If you want to be symmetric (which everyone should) make sure to balance your work. (for every push do a pull, for every hamstring do a quad). For "ripped" focus on diet.

If you went to the gym day in and day out doing the exact same thing I imagine 99% of anyone doing that would stop. IMO there needs to be progression.

 

[this guy]

I think a point worth making is that there are other GAFers that have pretty good physiques too, and don't feel it necessary to brag about it.

 

[Slayer-33]

Yeah I think you're definitely overthinking it. If you want to be symmetric (which everyone should) make sure to balance your work. (for every push do a pull, for every hamstring do a quad). For "ripped" focus on diet.

If you went to the gym day in and day out doing the exact same thing I imagine 99% of anyone doing that would stop. IMO there needs to be progression.

Yeah I've done P90X already and know how important it is to change things up, would an alternating week by week routine keep progression going? Or should it be cycled up every 2 weeks?

This is going to the gym of course, and also I don't really wanna go more than 3 days a week, I do 2 days of yoga/plyometrics at home and abs already.

Just trying to target chest/back/arms at the gym.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Yeah I've done P90X already and know how important it is to change things up, would an alternating week by week routine keep progression going? Or should it be cycled up every 2 weeks?

This is going to the gym of course, and also I don't really wanna go more than 3 days a week, I do 2 days of yoga/plyometrics at home and abs already.

Just trying to target chest/back/arms at the gym.

I'm not familiar with P90X, so I don't know the goals of the program. So in effect, I don't exactly know your goals, so I can't really offer advice. Likewise, I wouldn't know how to work around yoga or pylometrics, either.

Have you read the OP? Does it not apply to what you're looking for?

Are you looking to get strong/big? Are you looking to just get "cut?"

Do you have access to a good gym (squat racks, barbells etc)? What's your current routine?

If you're a beginner I would advise looking into Starting Strength as a general all purpose fitness builder(aside from running obviously). But I don't exactly know what you're looking for.

Saying "just trying to target chest/back/arms" doesn't tell me much, but I will say you're neglecting legs, and that's a mistake no matter what you're doing.

 

[Draft]

Yeah I've done P90X already and know how important it is to change things up, would an alternating week by week routine keep progression going? Or should it be cycled up every 2 weeks?

This is going to the gym of course, and also I don't really wanna go more than 3 days a week, I do 2 days of yoga/plyometrics at home and abs already.

Just trying to target chest/back/arms at the gym.

Lifting more weight each week will keep progression going.

 

[Slayer-33]

I'm not familiar with P90X, so I don't know the goals of the program. So in effect, I don't exactly know your goals, so I can't really offer advice. Likewise, I wouldn't know how to work around yoga or pylometrics, either.

Have you read the OP? Does it not apply to what you're looking for?

Are you looking to get strong/big? Are you looking to just get "cut?"

Do you have access to a good gym (squat racks, barbells etc)? What's your current routine?

If you're a beginner I would advise looking into Starting Strength as a general all purpose fitness builder(aside from running obviously). But I don't exactly know what you're looking for.

Saying "just trying to target chest/back/arms" doesn't tell me much, but I will say you're neglecting legs, and that's a mistake no matter what you're doing.

I got you bro, my legs are my best trait, I built them up well when I was young (used to go out jumping and touch high street signs lol)

I'm just want a lean/defined body that's near the muscle mass of the fitness model look you see in mags. I weight 150 and I'm 5'8" I have a good frame but I am a little soft still (specially mid section/core) although flexing I look how I would want to look in a resting state lol.

Areas that need special attention are my chest/lower back, upper back is in better shape than those and my biceps/tris need a little more volume.


I would love to make a simple routine that incorporates the gym and changes every 2 weeks but I specifically don't want to do bench pressing and not go more than 3 days a week.


My diet is pretty solid, I don't eat any crap it's just that I'm neglecting the veggies big time though..

Lifting more weight each week will keep progression going.

Would you drop down the weight by 5-10 pounds and do more reps/sets after the first cycle? And go back up on the next?


All in all I think that I just got lazy recently guys, just trying to get ideas to maybe simplify/lessen how many exercises I do at the gym.



Also, question... Since I weight 150/5'8" should I REALLY be doing any cardio at all? Would 2 yoga routines @ 1hr per and 1 plyometrics routine per week be enough to neglect "true" cardio?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

I got you bro, my legs are my best trait, I built them up well when I was young (used to go out jumping and touch high street signs lol)

I'm just want a lean/defined body that's near the muscle mass of the fitness model look you see in mags. I weight 150 and I'm 5'8" I have a good frame but I am a little soft still (specially mid section/core) although flexing I look how I would want to look in a resting state lol.

Areas that need special attention are my chest/lower back, upper back is in better shape than those and my biceps/tris need a little more volume.


I would love to make a simple routine that incorporates the gym and changes every 2 weeks but I specifically don't want to do bench pressing and not go more than 3 days a week.


My diet is pretty solid, I don't eat any crap it's just that I'm neglecting the veggies big time though..

To be honest, it sounds like you would be best served with a good body weight routine. Look into convict conditioning. There's other guys here who do that stuff and would be better suited to help you.

If you want that "mag model" look you will definitely need to ratchet your diet down tight.

Also, question... Since I weight 150/5'8" should I REALLY be doing any cardio at all? Would 2 yoga routines @ 1hr per and 1 plyometrics routine per week be enough to neglect "true" cardio?

Don't neglect conditioning. It's as important as any other part of a routine.

I'm paying for it right now, lol.

 

[Slayer-33]

To be honest, it sounds like you would be best served with a good body weight routine. Look into convict conditioning. There's other guys here who do that stuff and would be better suited to help you.

If you want that "mag model" look you will definitely need to ratchet your diet down tight.

Don't neglect conditioning. It's as important as any other part of a routine.

I'm paying for it right now, lol.

Indeed bro. I'm working it but I'm just being a lazy ass with the exercises. Funnily enough I'm seeing progress by just eating properly lol.. I fucking hate broccoli and when I try to eat it I have to do with a cup of water and swallow that shit.

Jesus almost forgot that I'm going to get tested by the FDNY lol.. Written test soon and then a physical if I do good... Wtf am I doing.. I need to do that cardio no matter what.

 

[lenovox1]

[. . .]I'm just want a lean/defined body that's near the muscle mass of the fitness model look you see in mags. I weight 150 and I'm 5'8" I have a good frame but I am a little soft still (specially mid section/core) although flexing I look how I would want to look in a resting state lol.[. . .]

Do the Starting Strength routine as outlined by the third post in the OP (I'd recommend reading it through), continue to do yoga and plyometrics on your off days, and have some patience.

And don't do anything crazy like switch up your routine after 2 weeks. That's just making everything needlessly complicated, and you won't see results any faster that way. Wait at least a month (the OP recommends 3) before changing a gym routine. Otherwise, just keep adding weight to the one you've got.

If you want that "mag model" look you will definitely need to ratchet your diet down tight.

Very important, especially if you go the body weight route, Slayer-33.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I'm just want a lean/defined body that's near the muscle mass of the fitness model look you see in mags. I weight 150 and I'm 5'8" I have a good frame but I am a little soft still (specially mid section/core) although flexing I look how I would want to look in a resting state lol.

So basically you want to look like me. I'll hit you a PM later.

 

[Slayer-33]

Do the Starting Strength routine as outlined by the third post in the OP (I'd recommend reading it through), continue to do yoga and plyometrics on your off days, and have some patience.

And don't do anything crazy like switch up your routine after 2 weeks. That's just making everything needlessly complicated, and you won't see results any faster that way. Wait at least a month (the OP recommends 3) before changing a gym routine. Otherwise, just keep adding weight to the one you've got.

Thanks man

So basically you want to look like me. I'll hit you a PM later.

hahahah yes.

I am just lacking workout disciple.Arnold.wav

 

[kylej]

Indeed bro. I'm working it but I'm just being a lazy ass with the exercises. Funnily enough I'm seeing progress by just eating properly lol.. I fucking hate broccoli and when I try to eat it I have to do with a cup of water and swallow that shit.

wat. Broccoli doesn't even taste like anything.

 

[Slayer-33]

wat. Broccoli doesn't even taste like anything.

Dat stem is nasty bro.


Also for supplements I have whey isolate powder (sugarless)

Omega 3 capsules (I drink 2-3 per day)

Green tea extra cap (1 a day)

Animal Pak (1 pack pre-workout lift days)


My diet consists of brown rice/chicken breast/black beans a day (workout day), greek yogurt (chobani), almonds, arnolds whole wheat bread, welch's grape juice, oatmeal, green apples/banana/lettuce.. Sometimes broccoli.. I have canned tuna but I haven't opened one in a while.

Pretty much off the top of my head.