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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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snoopen

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had to wait 20 mins for a squat rack last night, we have 3 + 2 power racks, needed to squat, 1 40+ year old dude was doing shrugs, 1 bro was curling and the other was squatting.

feels bad.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
had to wait 20 mins for a squat rack last night, we have 3 + 2 power racks, needed to squat, 1 40+ year old dude was doing shrugs, 1 bro was curling and the other was squatting.

feels bad.

I saw a dude use the squat cage to do reverse wrist curls at 55lbs.
 

Petrie

Banned
Just squatted 300 3x5 for the first time. Feels fucking awesome, but I do not feel ready for the bench and deads im still supposed to do today. Fuck.
 

Petrie

Banned
You got dis.
apparently I did got dis. Lol

So can anyone tell me what might be off on my squat formif the front side of my leg a few inches below the knee is sore after? Perhaps pushing off from my toes a bit too much?

Also, after a reset my bench press is back up to 205, but I've feeling the same nagging pain in my upper left shoulder area. I don't know what's causing it. I'll try and get a video of my next workout so you guys can check my form out, pretty please.
 

Trey

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apparently I did got dis. Lol

So can anyone tell me what might be off on my squat formif the front side of my leg a few inches below the knee is sore after? Perhaps pushing off from my toes a bit too much?

Also, after a reset my bench press is back up to 205, but I've feeling the same nagging pain in my upper left shoulder area. I don't know what's causing it. I'll try and get a video of my next workout so you guys can check my form out, pretty please.

Where do you lift at?
 

Petrie

Banned
Yeah. What's the mem. fee? Doesn't sound too far from me.

I currently pay $20 a month and there's no startup fee. You can get down to $10 a month if you pay like $150 up front.

Plus we have a new 24 hour location opening up on Elmwood by the Regal next month, which will be really nice if you have an odd schedule, like I do.

Decent gym with enough equipment though. I recommend it.
 

Mr.City

Member
So, I think I'm going beltless on the deadlift. I've tried with different belts, however it always seems like the belt is squeezing my midsection, which doesn't allow me to fully raise my chest. As a result, my upper back is soft, and that really kills my ability to lift.
 

Khal_B

Member
Hey guys, thanks a lot for the advice and the links wrt to the protein. Definitely better prices than the ones I was seeing. Looks like I'll be able to order some stuff after all.
 

SeigO

Banned
So could I get some advice on the best way to progress moving forward?

I'm a 21 year old male, 6'3 and I've dropped about 30 pounds in the past 9 months (210->180) After losing all of my weight I switched to following the Starter Strength program at my gym in November. I feel like my diets holding me back possibly? I drink a 50g protein shake only on workout days.
I'm fairly weak so far I've gone from
115->150x5 final bench set
245x5 squats
And I can do about 3x5 pullups.

I've been trying to match my BMR or go slightly under it and so far I've been getting stronger while staying the same weight. And I still do a lot of cardio on top of the lifting.

So I'm wondering should I switch to a bulking/cutting cycle will it be more effective? Or will my current plan of gaining lean mass without gaining much fat work out if I stick with it long enough.
 

SeanR1221

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Guys, I need some advice.

Woke up this morning with a horrible pain in my upper right back. I'm not sure if it's how I slept, or how I was sitting last night on the train but it hurts like a bitch.

I took two aleve and put a hot rag on it, and I still want to go to the gym today (Squats, overhead press, deadlifts) but I thought I'd ask here first what's the best thing to do when you don't want to get off track with your workout.
 

deadbeef

Member
Guys, I need some advice.

Woke up this morning with a horrible pain in my upper right back. I'm not sure if it's how I slept, or how I was sitting last night on the train but it hurts like a bitch.

I took two aleve and put a hot rag on it, and I still want to go to the gym today (Squats, overhead press, deadlifts) but I thought I'd ask here first what's the best thing to do when you don't want to get off track with your workout.

I've done it before but I'm not going to advocate it, because only you know your body. I definitely wouldn't do OHP.
 
Its better to skip a few workouts than to risk injuring your back even more. Your back can take a lot, so if it really hurts you should take heed and be careful, in my opinion.
 

Enco

Member
Guys, I need some advice.

Woke up this morning with a horrible pain in my upper right back. I'm not sure if it's how I slept, or how I was sitting last night on the train but it hurts like a bitch.

I took two aleve and put a hot rag on it, and I still want to go to the gym today (Squats, overhead press, deadlifts) but I thought I'd ask here first what's the best thing to do when you don't want to get off track with your workout.
I would think a horrible pain would mean working out isn't the best thing you could do.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Back to back rest days.

This is going to be glorious.

Guys, I need some advice.

Woke up this morning with a horrible pain in my upper right back. I'm not sure if it's how I slept, or how I was sitting last night on the train but it hurts like a bitch.

I took two aleve and put a hot rag on it, and I still want to go to the gym today (Squats, overhead press, deadlifts) but I thought I'd ask here first what's the best thing to do when you don't want to get off track with your workout.

Not enough info, but sounds like it's probably shoulder pain, and if it's "horrible." I'd skip the gym entirely and see a doctor.
 
I'm hardly one to talk either, but if it's horrible pain in the back I'd say lay off all of the stuff you did. Go for a run or swim if you need to do something.
 

Maxim726X

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Guys, I need some advice.

Woke up this morning with a horrible pain in my upper right back. I'm not sure if it's how I slept, or how I was sitting last night on the train but it hurts like a bitch.

I took two aleve and put a hot rag on it, and I still want to go to the gym today (Squats, overhead press, deadlifts) but I thought I'd ask here first what's the best thing to do when you don't want to get off track with your workout.

Nothing is worse than back pain... Especially lower.

Don't risk it. You may put unnecessary strain on other muscles that could lead to further injury. Take a few days off... Don't want to set yourself back months.
 
So could I get some advice on the best way to progress moving forward?

I'm a 21 year old male, 6'3 and I've dropped about 30 pounds in the past 9 months (210->180) After losing all of my weight I switched to following the Starter Strength program at my gym in November. I feel like my diets holding me back possibly? I drink a 50g protein shake only on workout days.
I'm fairly weak so far I've gone from
115->150x5 final bench set
245x5 squats
And I can do about 3x5 pullups.

I've been trying to match my BMR or go slightly under it and so far I've been getting stronger while staying the same weight. And I still do a lot of cardio on top of the lifting.

So I'm wondering should I switch to a bulking/cutting cycle will it be more effective? Or will my current plan of gaining lean mass without gaining much fat work out if I stick with it long enough.

If you're trying to get stronger, start erring on the side of slightly above BMR instead of below. Also your body needs protein every day. If you're doing shakes, take one every day. You can eat less fat or carbs on rest days because you need less energy when you don't exercise.

I just noticed you say you're doing tons of cardio. If you're doing any appreciable amount of cardio, just barely eating BMR is not enough. Eat a bit more. You don't have to turn into a landwhale, but you can't build muscle if you burn all your food off while running.
 

Mr.City

Member
Guys, I need some advice.

Woke up this morning with a horrible pain in my upper right back. I'm not sure if it's how I slept, or how I was sitting last night on the train but it hurts like a bitch.

I took two aleve and put a hot rag on it, and I still want to go to the gym today (Squats, overhead press, deadlifts) but I thought I'd ask here first what's the best thing to do when you don't want to get off track with your workout.

Generally, unless the pain is crippling, I warm up and see how it feels. If it gets worse, then call it a day.

So could I get some advice on the best way to progress moving forward?

I'm a 21 year old male, 6'3 and I've dropped about 30 pounds in the past 9 months (210->180) After losing all of my weight I switched to following the Starter Strength program at my gym in November. I feel like my diets holding me back possibly? I drink a 50g protein shake only on workout days.
I'm fairly weak so far I've gone from
115->150x5 final bench set
245x5 squats
And I can do about 3x5 pullups.

I've been trying to match my BMR or go slightly under it and so far I've been getting stronger while staying the same weight. And I still do a lot of cardio on top of the lifting.

So I'm wondering should I switch to a bulking/cutting cycle will it be more effective? Or will my current plan of gaining lean mass without gaining much fat work out if I stick with it long enough.

You should probably eat more food. There's plenty about that in the OP.
 

Nizz

Member
I have a question I hope someone can answer. I plan on starting to bike ride about 2 miles in the mornings. If I ride Monday-Friday at that pace, how much can one realistically lose weight -wise?

I've heard bike riding/running is great for burning fat/calories. I'm not a big person, I'm 5'3" and weight's in the 124-126 range. The weight fluctuates between this range. I really want to start riding because I'm a type 2 Diabetic and I want to get more exercise to help keep sugar levels down.
 

Kwhit10

Member
I have a question I hope someone can answer. I plan on starting to bike ride about 2 miles in the mornings. If I ride Monday-Friday at that pace, how much can one realistically lose weight -wise?

I've heard bike riding/running is great for burning fat/calories. I'm not a big person, I'm 5'3" and weight's in the 124-126 range. The weight fluctuates between this range. I really want to start riding because I'm a type 2 Diabetic and I want to get more exercise to help keep sugar levels down.

The weight loss will depend on how hard you bike (RPM, or how fast the 2 miles take, faster the better), how much and what you are eating.

If I was doing road biking for fitness and just not to get anywhere, I would bike as hard as I could for 30 seconds then just a casual pace for 30 seconds and alternate that for about 7-10 minutes. That would probably be more than two miles though.
 
I have a question I hope someone can answer. I plan on starting to bike ride about 2 miles in the mornings. If I ride Monday-Friday at that pace, how much can one realistically lose weight -wise?

I've heard bike riding/running is great for burning fat/calories. I'm not a big person, I'm 5'3" and weight's in the 124-126 range. The weight fluctuates between this range. I really want to start riding because I'm a type 2 Diabetic and I want to get more exercise to help keep sugar levels down.

You'll want to do more than 2 miles. I do about 6-8 miles a day while working out and consider that 'ok.' 2 miles goes very quickly on a bike.
 

Petrie

Banned
You'll want to do more than 2 miles. I do about 6-8 miles a day while working out and consider that 'ok.' 2 miles goes very quickly on a bike.

This. If you're biking for sugar burning/etc you need to go much farther than 2 miles. You should barely break a sweat at that distance.
 
I have a question I hope someone can answer. I plan on starting to bike ride about 2 miles in the mornings. If I ride Monday-Friday at that pace, how much can one realistically lose weight -wise?

I've heard bike riding/running is great for burning fat/calories. I'm not a big person, I'm 5'3" and weight's in the 124-126 range. The weight fluctuates between this range. I really want to start riding because I'm a type 2 Diabetic and I want to get more exercise to help keep sugar levels down.

Changing your diet would probably do more than riding a bike for 2 miles. Also, lifting weights is better for losing fat than cardio.
 

Mr.City

Member
I have a question I hope someone can answer. I plan on starting to bike ride about 2 miles in the mornings. If I ride Monday-Friday at that pace, how much can one realistically lose weight -wise?

I've heard bike riding/running is great for burning fat/calories. I'm not a big person, I'm 5'3" and weight's in the 124-126 range. The weight fluctuates between this range. I really want to start riding because I'm a type 2 Diabetic and I want to get more exercise to help keep sugar levels down.

The best form of exercise is the one you enjoy doing and will continue to do. However, exercise will not determine your weight loss; your diet will.
 

Petrie

Banned
The best form of exercise is the one you enjoy doing and will continue to do. However, exercise will not determine your weight loss; your diet will.

They didn't mention weight loss though. They mentioned keeping sugar levels down, which as a Type 1 diabetic I can attest cardio is far better at than lifting weights.
 

Mr.City

Member
They didn't mention weight loss though. They mentioned keeping sugar levels down, which as a Type 1 diabetic I can attest cardio is far better at than lifting weights.

If I ride Monday-Friday at that pace, how much can one realistically lose weight -wise?

Weight loss is part of the question. Whatever he wants to do is going to best and will continue to do will be best.
 

Petrie

Banned
Weight loss is part of the question. Whatever he wants to do is going to best and will continue to do will be best.

Oh I agree. I missed the first part, that's my bad. However I still attest that for controlling diabetes, cardio is going to be far superior. A combination of the 2 would likely be ideal though.
 

Nizz

Member
The weight loss will depend on how hard you bike (RPM, or how fast the 2 miles take, faster the better), how much and what you are eating.

If I was doing road biking for fitness and just not to get anywhere, I would bike as hard as I could for 30 seconds then just a casual pace for 30 seconds and alternate that for about 7-10 minutes. That would probably be more than two miles though.

You'll want to do more than 2 miles. I do about 6-8 miles a day while working out and consider that 'ok.' 2 miles goes very quickly on a bike.

Changing your diet would probably do more than riding a bike for 2 miles. Also, lifting weights is better for losing fat than cardio.
Thank you all for answering. 2 miles is the ballpark figure I threw out. I was thinking 2 miles to then 2 miles from the little baseball park by my home. So round trip about 4 miles.

The best form of exercise is the one you enjoy doing and will continue to do. However, exercise will not determine your weight loss; your diet will.
Biking does seem like an exercise I'll enjoy. I live down in Florida and the weather's nice so I figured I might as well start biking. :)

They didn't mention weight loss though. They mentioned keeping sugar levels down, which as a Type 1 diabetic I can attest cardio is far better at than lifting weights.
I had asked my previous doctor before I moved from N.J. what my ideal weight would be for me and he said 124. I'm close to that now but if the bike riding can help get me down a little bit more that would also be fine. I definitely want to get my sugar levels down though. I think I was under 200 maybe once last week. I check my levels usually in the evening and yeah... not too great. :(
 

Petrie

Banned
I had asked my previous doctor before I moved from N.J. what my ideal weight would be for me and he said 124. I'm close to that now but if the bike riding can help get me down a little bit more that would also be fine. I definitely want to get my sugar levels down though. I think I was under 200 maybe once last week. I check my levels usually in the evening and yeah... not too great. :(

That's not good at all. Are you on insulin?
 

Nizz

Member
That's not good at all. Are you on insulin?
Yes. I take 20 units in the morning, then 5 in the evening. I figured that I better get more active to help keep the levels down. I don't get much exercise around the house besides mowing the lawn and every couple of weeks cleaning out the garage here.

I've been out of work a long time so joining a gym is something I can't do right now. I really can't spare the money to buy weights right now either. But my younger brother has a bike that I can use throughout the week to ride.
 

balddemon

Banned
parents got mcd's for dinner tonight...figured since I hadn't eaten it in a while it'd be alright...LOL. 2 McDubs, small fries, and a large powerade later I feel like shit lol. Moving makes me literally wanna puke. ugh
 

Petrie

Banned
parents got mcd's for dinner tonight...figured since I hadn't eaten it in a while it'd be alright...LOL. 2 McDubs, small fries, and a large powerade later I feel like shit lol. Moving makes me literally wanna puke. ugh

Man, unless it's a protein shake I'm not drinking my calories. Feels like such a waste.
 

OG Kush

Member
Whey protein question..
This is a whey protein concentrate and offers nearly 40g per serving and is cheaper than the whey protein isolate:
http://www.oneon.co.uk/store/products,whey-protein-max_26.htm
The whey protein isolate is more expensive and only offers about 26g of protein per serving:
http://www.oneon.co.uk/store/products,whey-protein-isolate_55.htm

Why would I not go with the whey protein concentrate one? I'm not sure if I'm reading correctly, but it seems to me more of the protein is absorbed when you take an isolate? or it just gets absorbed quicker? I'd rather have 40g of protein even if it gets absored slower!
 

kylej

Banned
parents got mcd's for dinner tonight...figured since I hadn't eaten it in a while it'd be alright...LOL. 2 McDubs, small fries, and a large powerade later I feel like shit lol. Moving makes me literally wanna puke. ugh

Had McDonalds for the first time in years a couple days ago. Was completely out of food and wanted something to eat before work, so I grabbed a sausage mcmuffin for breakfast. Tiny ass sandwich was like 40% of daily recommended sodium. Don't know how people eat that shit day in and day out.
 

deadbeef

Member
Whey protein question..
This is a whey protein concentrate and offers nearly 40g per serving and is cheaper than the whey protein isolate:
http://www.oneon.co.uk/store/products,whey-protein-max_26.htm
The whey protein isolate is more expensive and only offers about 26g of protein per serving:
http://www.oneon.co.uk/store/products,whey-protein-isolate_55.htm

Why would I not go with the whey protein concentrate one? I'm not sure if I'm reading correctly, but it seems to me more of the protein is absorbed when you take an isolate? or it just gets absorbed quicker? I'd rather have 40g of protein even if it gets absored slower!

Worrying about WPC vs WPI is not worth the effort. Just get the cheap stuff
 
The whey protein from Muscletech at Walmart is actually great. Awesome tasting flavors, too. I'm dead serious, try it out.

I actually did DB shoulder presses today for the first time since last May. I was impressed that I was able to put the 70s for 10.
 

despire

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I'd like to know how one should go about his lifting while on a cut (a week in)? I'm doing vanilla SS with chins and pull-ups and I'm currently on -35% / +10% deficit (LeanGains). Yesterday I hit my threshold and couldn't increase the weights anymore. Tried 80kg but could only get 3 on the first set on squats. I dropped the weight to 70kg and did the 2 remaining sets.

So, I know it's not good for you to keep lifting the same weight up week after week since you eventually get weaker. How should I plan my lifting during the cut (one month or so still ahead) to minimize muscle loss. I'm eating enough protein every day. Should I do the SS like regular? 3x5 but not trying to increase the weights that much or what?


And another thing. My lower back has been hurting after workout for the past 3 times now. Nothing crippling (except the first time) but it's annoying. It's not like the muscles are just worn out but rather like some minor injury. AFAIK my form is not that bad and I've never gotten any problems before. Also I still have that sharp stingin pain in my right pelvis area that sometimes manifests itself when moving around my right leg. It's gotten better lately but yesterday at the gym it was hurting a bit when I was ending my workout.

Should I keep a week or so off before they get really bad? Atleast I should flex more..
 

X-Frame

Member
I'd like to know how one should go about his lifting while on a cut (a week in)? I'm doing vanilla SS with chins and pull-ups and I'm currently on -35% / +10% deficit (LeanGains). Yesterday I hit my threshold and couldn't increase the weights anymore. Tried 80kg but could only get 3 on the first set on squats. I dropped the weight to 70kg and did the 2 remaining sets.

So, I know it's not good for you to keep lifting the same weight up week after week since you eventually get weaker. How should I plan my lifting during the cut (one month or so still ahead) to minimize muscle loss. I'm eating enough protein every day. Should I do the SS like regular? 3x5 but not trying to increase the weights that much or what?


And another thing. My lower back has been hurting after workout for the past 3 times now. Nothing crippling (except the first time) but it's annoying. It's not like the muscles are just worn out but rather like some minor injury. AFAIK my form is not that bad and I've never gotten any problems before. Also I still have that sharp stingin pain in my right pelvis area that sometimes manifests itself when moving around my right leg. It's gotten better lately but yesterday at the gym it was hurting a bit when I was ending my workout.

Should I keep a week or so off before they get really bad? Atleast I should flex more..

Your recovery is inhibited when you're in a caloric deficit, which means volume should be dropped in order to allow the body to maintain itself without burning out. Starting Strength is, from what I experienced, a program for newbies and those who are eating a lot. The prospect of increasing weights weekly is just too difficult when you're restricting your ability to recover.

In short, Intensity (% of 1RM lifted i.e. the weight) should be the last thing dropped. If you're squatting 75kg for 3 sets of 5 now, drop all sets in your program to 2 sets of 5. Eliminating 1 set should make a pretty big difference in recovery. When/if that stalls, dropped reps and start doing 2 sets of 3. Or even 1 set of 5 with a ramp-up set. Anything to maintain the strength level. Just also make sure you are getting enough sleep and your daily stresses are minimal which also affect lifting more than people realize.


As far as your lower back, I'd always be more safe than sorry when it comes to any sort of sensations in the lower back. You could be doing a lot of damage to your lower back yet it is only manifesting itself as some post-workout discomfort until it reaches it's threshold and then you have full-blown bulging/herniated discs. It happens. It happened to me.

You really, really should get someone to film you squatting/deadlifting at least once and throw the video up on here for feedback. You might assume your form is decent but in reality it might be worse than you think. Better safe than sorry right? A lower back injury is incredibly frustrating, long-term, and expensive!
 

SeanR1221

Member
Feeling better today. Not 100% but I can walk around without pain.

My fiancé gave me a deep tissue massage which helped a lot. I tried to lay down most of the day yesterday, and I feel like I can hit the gym. We'll see how it goes.

Luckily I'm not too far into the SL 5x5 so it's not like I'm lifting a ton of weight right now.
 

despire

Member
Your recovery is inhibited when you're in a caloric deficit, which means volume should be dropped in order to allow the body to maintain itself without burning out. Starting Strength is, from what I experienced, a program for newbies and those who are eating a lot. The prospect of increasing weights weekly is just too difficult when you're restricting your ability to recover.

In short, Intensity (% of 1RM lifted i.e. the weight) should be the last thing dropped. If you're squatting 75kg for 3 sets of 5 now, drop all sets in your program to 2 sets of 5. Eliminating 1 set should make a pretty big difference in recovery. When/if that stalls, dropped reps and start doing 2 sets of 3. Or even 1 set of 5 with a ramp-up set. Anything to maintain the strength level. Just also make sure you are getting enough sleep and your daily stresses are minimal which also affect lifting more than people realize.


As far as your lower back, I'd always be more safe than sorry when it comes to any sort of sensations in the lower back. You could be doing a lot of damage to your lower back yet it is only manifesting itself as some post-workout discomfort until it reaches it's threshold and then you have full-blown bulging/herniated discs. It happens. It happened to me.

You really, really should get someone to film you squatting/deadlifting at least once and throw the video up on here for feedback. You might assume your form is decent but in reality it might be worse than you think. Better safe than sorry right? A lower back injury is incredibly frustrating, long-term, and expensive!


Thanks for the advice. Just what I wanted to know :)

And I posted some form check videos in this thread a while back but I should film more..
 
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