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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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IGotBillySoSpooked

Low moral character
Anybody ever try that grilled chicken that comes in a package?

It is usually by the pre-packaged deli meats. I forget who makes it, but I think it might be Oscar Meyer.

I'm looking for something high protein that I can just grab and eat. I don't really have access to a kitchen at the moment.
 
As a beginner in my 3rd month, yesterday I finally had the courage to incorporate pull ups and chin ups to my back/bi workout, to my surprise I managed to do 3 sets of each to failure (6-8 reps), felt so intense, my form looked ok in the mirror, but I have to keep the tension on, can't stretch all the way down. Anyway never going back to the pull down machine.

Woke up this morning feeling the soreness mostly in my abs and front shoulders.
 

DrFurbs

Member
Depressed!

I weighed myself today for the 1st time in years. I thought I was about 75-80kg and but I found out I'm actually 91kg with 21% body fat (unless the machine I used is wrong - electrical impedance thingie). I'm quite muscular, been lifting heavy weights for a good ten years.

I was convinced I was much less in weight thus seems my wife was right after all, I have a totally unrealistic perspective of myself. I want to loose some BF% and some muscle so I'm cutting some calories and upping the cardio.

But in terms of cutting calories, how? I've never measured food, counted calories etc...I just ate pretty clean but regularly. Im thinking I could track what I do on my phone and I know there are probably a tonne of apps for mobiles that help count and tack calories, would any one have an idea which?

Where do I start Gaf?
 

calza

Member
Depressed!

I weighed myself today for the 1st time in years. I thought I was about 75-80kg and but I found out I'm actually 91kg with 21% body fat (unless the machine I used is wrong - electrical impedance thingie). I'm quite muscular, been lifting heavy weights for a good ten years.

I was convinced I was much less in weight thus seems my wife was right after all, I have a totally unrealistic perspective of myself. I want to loose some BF% and some muscle so I'm cutting some calories and upping the cardio.

But in terms of cutting calories, how? I've never measured food, counted calories etc...I just ate pretty clean but regularly. Im thinking I could track what I do on my phone and I know there are probably a tonne of apps for mobiles that help count and tack calories, would any one have an idea which?

Where do I start Gaf?


Maybe have a look at paleo, keto or IF.

Cut soda and manufactured 'crap' out definitely. Try a calorie counter, at least for a while until you learn how to judge how much you are eating on your own.

Maybe pick up a sport for cardio? Makes it a lot less boring, or you could try HIIT.
 
Depressed!

I weighed myself today for the 1st time in years. I thought I was about 75-80kg and but I found out I'm actually 91kg with 21% body fat (unless the machine I used is wrong - electrical impedance thingie). I'm quite muscular, been lifting heavy weights for a good ten years.

I was convinced I was much less in weight thus seems my wife was right after all, I have a totally unrealistic perspective of myself. I want to loose some BF% and some muscle so I'm cutting some calories and upping the cardio.

But in terms of cutting calories, how? I've never measured food, counted calories etc...I just ate pretty clean but regularly. Im thinking I could track what I do on my phone and I know there are probably a tonne of apps for mobiles that help count and tack calories, would any one have an idea which?

Where do I start Gaf?
Why would you want to lose muscles?

Also, you probably didnt eat as clean as you thought you were. You should log it religiously for a few weeks, because that weight is coming from somewhere.
 
Took Jack3d for the second time today. Amazing workout as always but I didnt feel the buzz as much this time. It says on the tub that you can start increasing the dose on the 4th time, but im wondering if you eventually become immune to the buzz. That would suck if true. Anybody got experience with this?
 

balddemon

Banned
Took Jack3d for the second time today. Amazing workout as always but I didnt feel the buzz as much this time. It says on the tub that you can start increasing the dose on the 4th time, but im wondering if you eventually become immune to the buzz. That would suck if true. Anybody got experience with this?

yeah eventually it doesn't do shit. don't take more than 2 scoops at once though
 
yeah eventually it doesn't do shit. don't take more than 2 scoops at once though

Bah, I actually felt crazy high after the workout on the drive home. I think maybe its the music as well that gives you a high.

Also on a side note. I did back on Thursday and Shoulders right now(Saturday) and im wondering if they affect each other too much? I know that there always going to be cross overs between muscles. But is this a big no-no? To do back and shoulders so close.
 
Bah, I actually felt crazy high after the workout on the drive home. I think maybe its the music as well that gives you a high.

Also on a side note. I did back on Thursday and Shoulders right now(Saturday) and im wondering if they affect each other too much? I know that there always going to be cross overs between muscles. But is this a big no-no? To do back and shoulders so close.

What is your current routine? I don't remember ever seeing you post it up.
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
If you're doing Leangains IF, what if you have a couple vitamin/supplement/prescription pills you want/need to take in the morning during your fasting time?
 
What is your current routine? I don't remember ever seeing you post it up.

Well I change it up here and there, but right now(and for the next 3 months) it is this:

Monday: rest
Tuesday: Chest and Triceps
Wednesday: rest
Thursday: Squats and back
Friday: rest
Saturday: Shoulders
Sunday: Biceps and abs

Also, since Tuesday I have decided to change how I do the exercises.

I do it with perfect form and incredibly slowly, holding the weight on the squeezes. Its lower weight, but its fucking amazing. Stimulating allllll kinds of muscles.
 
By what biological mechanism is that going to remove toxins from your body?
By only consuming fruits and water over a period of three to four days, the fiber in the raw fruits/vegetables acts as a natural laxative to cleanse and "reboot" the digestive track and colon of sorts. Toxins is a strong word (and I don't like using it), but in this sense detox is just a euphemism for kicking out some of the bad shit I've consumed over the past week [got sick and ate a little comfort food]. Just but one citation

I've done this before to start off a long-term regimen, and it works wonders. The raw fiber/antioxidants/minerals/vitamins from the fruits acts as a kick-start to your body and not only does it sift out your digestive system (I dislike the term "purify" but it applies here), but it also gives you a 5-10 lb drop in water weight which gives a good motivation to hit the rest of your program hard.

Appreciate the concern though from y'all though. It's different and healthier than fasting, just more of a short-term take on it to start off a long regimen (which I'm beginning).
 
By only consuming fruits and water over a period of three to four days, the fiber in the raw fruits/vegetables acts as a natural laxative to cleanse and "reboot" the digestive track and colon of sorts. Toxins is a strong word (and I don't like using it), but in this sense detox is just a euphemism for kicking out some of the bad shit I've consumed over the past week [got sick and ate a little comfort food]. Just but one citation

I've done this before to start off a long-term regimen, and it works wonders. The raw fiber/antioxidants/minerals/vitamins from the fruits acts as a kick-start to your body and not only does it sift out your digestive system (I dislike the term "purify" but it applies here), but it also gives you a 5-10 lb drop in water weight which gives a good motivation to hit the rest of your program hard.

Appreciate the concern though from y'all though. It's different and healthier than fasting, just more of a short-term take on it to start off a long regimen (which I'm beginning).

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grumble

Member
By only consuming fruits and water over a period of three to four days, the fiber in the raw fruits/vegetables acts as a natural laxative to cleanse and "reboot" the digestive track and colon of sorts. Toxins is a strong word (and I don't like using it), but in this sense detox is just a euphemism for kicking out some of the bad shit I've consumed over the past week [got sick and ate a little comfort food]. Just but one citation

I've done this before to start off a long-term regimen, and it works wonders. The raw fiber/antioxidants/minerals/vitamins from the fruits acts as a kick-start to your body and not only does it sift out your digestive system (I dislike the term "purify" but it applies here), but it also gives you a 5-10 lb drop in water weight which gives a good motivation to hit the rest of your program hard.

Appreciate the concern though from y'all though. It's different and healthier than fasting, just more of a short-term take on it to start off a long regimen (which I'm beginning).

Funny, there's been a bunch of research on this and it always shows that what you're describing is complete bunk.
 

Enco

Member
Detox my ass.

Your body is perfectly fine at getting rid of crap. Just eat like a normal person and you'll be fine.
 
Hmm, the fact you guys doubt it so much makes me think. I figured that a) since it wasn't part of some program being sold; b) biologically, our ancestors would have subsisted off fruit/veggies and water for stretches and not been worse off; and c) I'd actually gone through with it before and hit a brilliant pace for my workouts; there was some legitimacy to it.

You guys really feel there are no merits to doing it at all??
 

Izick

Member
Hmm, the fact you guys doubt it so much makes me think. I figured that a) since it wasn't part of some program being sold; b) biologically, our ancestors would have subsisted off fruit/veggies and water for stretches and not been worse off; and c) I'd actually gone through with it before and hit a brilliant pace for my workouts; there was some legitimacy to it.

You guys really feel there are no merits to doing it at all??

Just eat a regular, good, balanced diet.
 

calza

Member
By only consuming fruits and water over a period of three to four days, the fiber in the raw fruits/vegetables acts as a natural laxative to cleanse and "reboot" the digestive track and colon of sorts. Toxins is a strong word (and I don't like using it), but in this sense detox is just a euphemism for kicking out some of the bad shit I've consumed over the past week [got sick and ate a little comfort food]. Just but one citation

I've done this before to start off a long-term regimen, and it works wonders. The raw fiber/antioxidants/minerals/vitamins from the fruits acts as a kick-start to your body and not only does it sift out your digestive system (I dislike the term "purify" but it applies here), but it also gives you a 5 drop in water weight which gives a good motivation to hit the rest of your program hard.

Appreciate the concern though from y'all though. It's different and healthier than fasting, just more of a short-term take on it to start off a long regimen (which I'm beginning).


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Sorry but that is bs, do you even know how your body functions?
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Detox sounds appealing because of the nature of the definition, but if you really want to detoxify yourself it's best to just lose fat as that is what releases toxic chemicals into your body. You do that by eating a balanced diet (not just fruit and water) and exercising (weight lifting + cardio).
 
Well, I suppose I'm happy I bounced that off you guys, then. (That is what this thread's for, after all.)

Ran 2.5 miles today, although it was a flat 30 minutes. I'm trying to get down to at least a 13 minute mile (I'm 240 lbs), so the plan is to spend all summer building up my endurance and cutting down my run time.
 

JB1981

Member
I was thinking about buying a Prowler. Anybody here ever use one, own one? Looks like it can fit in my trunk if I take it to a park or to a track somewhere.


I also want to get an equipped medicine ball (medicine ball w/ rope attached) and plyoboxes. There are some parks and school playgrounds close by me with good soccer fields and stuff ... summer is coming and I can do this stuff outside .... was thinking of getting a resistance chute for running too ... how funny will i look when people drive by eh? i don't really care though becuase i want to do stuff outside when i can. Figured I can do these things on conditioning days ... plus I really need to improve my conditioning.
 

Enco

Member
Well, I suppose I'm happy I bounced that off you guys, then. (That is what this thread's for, after all.)

Ran 2.5 miles today, although it was a flat 30 minutes. I'm trying to get down to at least a 13 minute mile (I'm 240 lbs), so the plan is to spend all summer building up my endurance and cutting down my run time.

Yup it's a great place for some good info!

Nice work man.
 

Mr.City

Member
By only consuming fruits and water over a period of three to four days, the fiber in the raw fruits/vegetables acts as a natural laxative to cleanse and "reboot" the digestive track and colon of sorts. Toxins is a strong word (and I don't like using it), but in this sense detox is just a euphemism for kicking out some of the bad shit I've consumed over the past week [got sick and ate a little comfort food]. Just but one citation

I've done this before to start off a long-term regimen, and it works wonders. The raw fiber/antioxidants/minerals/vitamins from the fruits acts as a kick-start to your body and not only does it sift out your digestive system (I dislike the term "purify" but it applies here), but it also gives you a 5-10 lb drop in water weight which gives a good motivation to hit the rest of your program hard.

Appreciate the concern though from y'all though. It's different and healthier than fasting, just more of a short-term take on it to start off a long regimen (which I'm beginning).

I'm not going to go through the entire article, but this is stupid. What even makes you think you need this "detox"?

I can't believe I didn't think of this before: http://fitnessblackbook.com/diet-tip...l-as-body-fat/

Do 30-50 air squats and 30-50 wall presses 90 seconds before a meal or cheat meal/snack, insulin sensitivity increases because glycogen is slightly depleted, whatever you eat right after the mini-workout is pushed into your muscles instead of fat.

So ingenious.

This too is silly.

I weighed myself today for the 1st time in years. I thought I was about 75-80kg and but I found out I'm actually 91kg with 21% body fat (unless the machine I used is wrong - electrical impedance thingie). I'm quite muscular, been lifting heavy weights for a good ten years.

I was convinced I was much less in weight thus seems my wife was right after all, I have a totally unrealistic perspective of myself. I want to loose some BF% and some muscle so I'm cutting some calories and upping the cardio.

But in terms of cutting calories, how? I've never measured food, counted calories etc...I just ate pretty clean but regularly. Im thinking I could track what I do on my phone and I know there are probably a tonne of apps for mobiles that help count and tack calories, would any one have an idea which?

Where do I start Gaf?

1.Those machines have not always been very accurate.

2. How heavy are these heavy weights? How muscular is "quite muscular"? Why the hell do you want to "loose" muscle?

3. There are plenty of good websites out there for tracking calories. Fitday is a good one, so is calorieking, my plate, etc. If you want to cut calories, you eat on a caloric deficit. Lyle McDonald has plenty of good articles about setting up a diet on his site.
 

kylej

Banned
Took Jack3d for the second time today. Amazing workout as always but I didnt feel the buzz as much this time. It says on the tub that you can start increasing the dose on the 4th time, but im wondering if you eventually become immune to the buzz. That would suck if true. Anybody got experience with this?

Welcome to the world of drugs.
 
I was thinking about buying a Prowler. Anybody here ever use one, own one? Looks like it can fit in my trunk if I take it to a park or to a track somewhere.

Yeah, it is by far the best conditional tool you can buy. Just a few sprints with a modest weight will have your heart racing like nothing else with minimal risk of injury.

It is also excellent for pushing/pulling with heavy weight to build muscle in the legs and can be done frequently because it does not have an eccentric (and therefore no DOMS).
 
Depressed!

I weighed myself today for the 1st time in years. I thought I was about 75-80kg and but I found out I'm actually 91kg with 21% body fat (unless the machine I used is wrong - electrical impedance thingie). I'm quite muscular, been lifting heavy weights for a good ten years.

I was convinced I was much less in weight thus seems my wife was right after all, I have a totally unrealistic perspective of myself. I want to loose some BF% and some muscle so I'm cutting some calories and upping the cardio.

But in terms of cutting calories, how? I've never measured food, counted calories etc...I just ate pretty clean but regularly. Im thinking I could track what I do on my phone and I know there are probably a tonne of apps for mobiles that help count and tack calories, would any one have an idea which?

Where do I start Gaf?

Keep it simple for now and lower your carb intake and up the cardio. Don't get too stuck on calories. Just eat as you are and replace carbs with veg
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
LOL, got outside after my workout and the bus stop is like 20 feet away from the doors of the gym, and some lady was smoking crack or meth and looked like hell and did a piss poor job of hiding her drug use. I didn't really give a shit cause she wasn't bothering anyone, but I was thinking "Jeeze, couldn't you wait a little bit til the bus drops you off?".
 

despire

Member
Whats the general consencus on when one should/could start wearing a lifting belt? I've previously been opposed to using one since I thought your abs wouldn't get as much of a workout while wearing one. But yesterday I read that wearing one a actually gives you stronger abs since it's possible to contract them harder if you are wearing a belt. And the belt is somewhat beneficial in preventing injury so I am interested in getting one.

But I only squat 200lbs, deadlift 220lbs and press 90lbs so would there be any point in getting one at this stage or should I wait until I am stronger?

Our gym has couple of belts but they are the sort that are not as wide in the front as they are in the back so I should probably buy my own. But atleast I could try one of the next time to see how they feel..
 

Witchfinder General

punched Wheelchair Mike
Alright Gaf, give me your wisdom.


Age: 31
Height: 177cm
Weight: 92 kilos
Goal: Loose weight and get stronger
Current Training Schedule: Krav Maga three times a week, three sets of pushups, sit-ups and squats three times a week between training
Current Training Equipment Available: None

I've been doing Krav for six weeks now and along with a change in diet and the exercise I described above I've lost about 5 kilos since. Reading through this thread I believe it may be to my benefit to substitute the pushups, etc with weight training. Aside from gaining strength and power which would be beneficial for Krav I believe it will help with my weight loss.

I'm a complete novice in regards to lifting weights and would prefer to do it at home but since the place I live at isn't mine I can't install anything like a pull up bar. I'm guessing going to a gym twice a week will be the most practical option. What should I focus on in those two sessions? Any advice pertinent to what I've described above?

Cheers.
 
Whats the general consencus on when one should/could start wearing a lifting belt? I've previously been opposed to using one since I thought your abs wouldn't get as much of a workout while wearing one. But yesterday I read that wearing one a actually gives you stronger abs since it's possible to contract them harder if you are wearing a belt. And the belt is somewhat beneficial in preventing injury so I am interested in getting one.

But I only squat 200lbs, deadlift 220lbs and press 90lbs so would there be any point in getting one at this stage or should I wait until I am stronger?

Our gym has couple of belts but they are the sort that are not as wide in the front as they are in the back so I should probably buy my own. But atleast I could try one of the next time to see how they feel..

Something recently the boys at Twin Muscle Workout (Hodge twins) said was: it aint that serious.

If you want to wear the belt just wear it and do some ab work outside of it. Unless you're doing some competitive shit and you need mad strong abs or whatever then yeah, worry about it. But just don't get caught up on all of this small shit

*edit: wear a belt.
 

F#A#Oo

Banned
Anyone else just doing Calisthenics?

I started doing the Convict Conditioning program...and adding in some gymnastics type stuff with it mostly the balance related work...

I've put on so much more muscle than any weight training I ever did and I'm more ripped. It's truly shocking to me and my friends.

My back is so damn strong now...even my left knee that plagued me with pains and aches for years has all but disappeared and I had physio on it which did next to nothing.

So happy...just wanted to share my happiness...
 
Just to say my tricep routine is going fucking awesome at the moment.

I watched the Rippletoe video about triceps but alternated it a bit. So my tricep routine is simple as hell now:

Close Grip Bench 4 x 10
Behind Headcurls w/ EZ Bar 4 x 10
Cable kickbacks 4 x 15

Noticed incredible strength gains from the 1st two exercises which has pushed my close grip bench to 220lbs. The cable kickbacks are an excellent finisher and shaper, getting more and more defined triceps.

When I've cut down to proper levels I think they will be my most impressive gains...beside my back
 

Mr.City

Member
Whats the general consencus on when one should/could start wearing a lifting belt? I've previously been opposed to using one since I thought your abs wouldn't get as much of a workout while wearing one. But yesterday I read that wearing one a actually gives you stronger abs since it's possible to contract them harder if you are wearing a belt. And the belt is somewhat beneficial in preventing injury so I am interested in getting one.

But I only squat 200lbs, deadlift 220lbs and press 90lbs so would there be any point in getting one at this stage or should I wait until I am stronger?

Our gym has couple of belts but they are the sort that are not as wide in the front as they are in the back so I should probably buy my own. But atleast I could try one of the next time to see how they feel..

There's no official point at where you start wearing a belt. Give it a try the next time you're at the gym, and then incorporating it into your training at your next stall.

Alright Gaf, give me your wisdom.


Age: 31
Height: 177cm
Weight: 92 kilos
Goal: Loose weight and get stronger
Current Training Schedule: Krav Maga three times a week, three sets of pushups, sit-ups and squats three times a week between training
Current Training Equipment Available: None

I've been doing Krav for six weeks now and along with a change in diet and the exercise I described above I've lost about 5 kilos since. Reading through this thread I believe it may be to my benefit to substitute the pushups, etc with weight training. Aside from gaining strength and power which would be beneficial for Krav I believe it will help with my weight loss.

I'm a complete novice in regards to lifting weights and would prefer to do it at home but since the place I live at isn't mine I can't install anything like a pull up bar. I'm guessing going to a gym twice a week will be the most practical option. What should I focus on in those two sessions? Any advice pertinent to what I've described above?

Cheers.

A general strength and conditioning workout is the way to go The OP has the beginner's route, along with a few links to others.
 

entremet

Member

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Something recently the boys at Twin Muscle Workout (Hodge twins) said was: it aint that serious.

If you want to wear the belt just wear it and do some ab work outside of it. Unless you're doing some competitive shit and you need mad strong abs or whatever then yeah, worry about it. But just don't get caught up on all of this small shit

*edit: wear a belt.

Yep, also to expand on this, when your spine feels "stable" it sends a message to your CNS that everything is "good to go" (the same thing happens with a strong grip), this will actually make you "stronger" with a stable spine your body will be able to push higher weight since your CNS isn't detecting a break in stability.

On the flip side, when your spine isn't stable, or your grip isn't tight you will actually be weaker and be unable to move as much weight because your CNS realizes stability is compromised.

It's quite ingenious how your body works.

Also, ab work should be done religiously regardless of belt or not, having a stronger core is like having a stronger back, it can't get too strong.
 

JB1981

Member
Yeah, it is by far the best conditional tool you can buy. Just a few sprints with a modest weight will have your heart racing like nothing else with minimal risk of injury.

It is also excellent for pushing/pulling with heavy weight to build muscle in the legs and can be done frequently because it does not have an eccentric (and therefore no DOMS).

On what type of surface do you use it? I think I would have to use it on pavement. I think it's built for pavement but there is a big disclaimer on the website about EliteFTS not being responsible for damage done as result of use on pavement.
 
Well I change it up here and there, but right now(and for the next 3 months) it is this:

Monday: rest
Tuesday: Chest and Triceps
Wednesday: rest
Thursday: Squats and back
Friday: rest
Saturday: Shoulders
Sunday: Biceps and abs

OK I think im going to change up a little bit. Does this look better?

Monday: rest
Tuesday: Chest and abs
Wednesday: rest
Thursday: Legs
Friday: Shoulders and triceps
Saturday: rest
Sunday: Back and bicep

Any great conflict here?

Im wondering if squats affects shoulders too much for them to be next to each other?

Also does shoulders and back conflict too much?
 
On what type of surface do you use it? I think I would have to use it on pavement. I think it's built for pavement but there is a big disclaimer on the website about EliteFTS not being responsible for damage done as result of use on pavement.

This is me pushing the prowler:

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I have used a prowler on the pavement before, and it is fine; however, I think elitefts are warning you that pushing it on the pavement will erode the skis faster. It makes a lot of noise too.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
LOL, got outside after my workout and the bus stop is like 20 feet away from the doors of the gym, and some lady was smoking crack or meth and looked like hell and did a piss poor job of hiding her drug use. I didn't really give a shit cause she wasn't bothering anyone, but I was thinking "Jeeze, couldn't you wait a little bit til the bus drops you off?".

Was it that blue meth everyone has been talking about? ;)
 
Finally going back to the gym tomorrow, one month after surgery. I don't even expect to have 50% of my strength gains back - sucks. However, I still have 3/4 of the year left.
 
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