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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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The Chef

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How in the world did you go from this:

fatboy2.jpg


To this?

Almost 3 months of 5/3/1 and I am so happy with the progress. We went to the lake this past weekend and my friend was snapping photos of everyone so I am sorry for the lifetime shots but I am pretty amazed by the progress.

I went from 178 to 195.

-Bench from 225 to 265
-Squats from 245 to 295
-Deadlift from 275 to 315


-Military Press 60lbs - 85lbs
-Standing Curls 40lbs - 55lbs
-Pullups(Widegrip) 15 - 25 reps

I am so stoked with the progress. Thanks for the recommendations guys I haven't hit a big plateau yet but I am assuming its coming.


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CrankyJay

Banned
Can't tell if these pics are of the same person because of the blurry faces. LOL.

Congrats though.

Never got the blurring thing. No one is coming to get you.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
He posted in the weight loss thread that he lost the weight from the above picture first (there's another picture of him in that thread after the weight loss) and then the most recent pictures are of him bulking from that. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Yeah, just saw...should have posted same set of pics!

Just kidding around with him. Really impressive progress and makes me think I should start doing HIIT or running to cap off my cut.
 

andycapps

Member
Trying out LeanGains going forward. I have my macros calculated and will be tracking what I eat, at least for a while, in MyFitnesPal. I hate to be a calorie counter but if I'm trying to cut and gain strength at the same time, I think it's pretty important to know what I'm consuming.

Does anybody know how to change the macros on MyFitnessPal as far as how much protein, carbs, etc your goal is each day? I've updated what my goal is for calories already.
 

bro1

Banned
Quick question about the need for rest. This week I flew to 6 times for business and have not gotten more than 4 or 5 of sleep a night. I did manage on Sunday to run/swm for about 45 minutes, do squats and ohp on Tuesday, and I did a 20 minute bike ride and a bit of dumbell work on Wednesday as these were the only forms of workout available to me.

Is it ok if I take off today and just veg out? I got in last night at 2am from my flight and got up at 6 this morning. I just want to sleep.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Does anybody know how to change the macros on MyFitnessPal as far as how much protein, carbs, etc your goal is each day? I've updated what my goal is for calories already.

Yep, go on the website...

Goal tab >> Green Change Goals button at bottom of screen >> click custom radio button >> Edit your cals and macros and save
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Quick question about the need for rest. This week I flew to 6 times for business and have not gotten more than 4 or 5 of sleep a night. I did manage on Sunday to run/swm for about 45 minutes, do squats and ohp on Tuesday, and I did a 20 minute bike ride and a bit of dumbell work on Wednesday as these were the only forms of workout available to me.

Is it ok if I take off today and just veg out? I got in last night at 2am from my flight and got up at 6 this morning. I just want to sleep.

Of course it's alright. You're only hurting yourself if you're exhausted. Eat some extra calories too if need be.
 
What was your diet like?

For dropping the fat fast it was a combination of running 1 mile every morning I could along with a diet around 2500 calories. Though I say it was 2500 calories I wasn't measuring or keeping that strict of watch I just know thats what it was around. My diet revolved around
a couple principles:

- No candy, soda
- No eating after 8:00pm
- 2.5 liters of water a day

Once I really started getting serious about it the weight came off really fast.


Can't tell if these pics are of the same person because of the blurry faces. LOL.

Congrats though.

Never got the blurring thing. No one is coming to get you.

Ha I should have posted a dude with slightly bigger shoulders. I used to be on the gamespot boards a long time ago and I had posted a pic of me playing Super Mario Bro's 3. About 3 months while at school I get a called to the front desk cause I have a phone call. Turns out its some dude on the forum that wanted to hang out and tracked me down from the pic. It kind of creeped me out but I was nice enough to him and said thanks but no thanks. Dude wouldn't leave me alone for months though. Kind of tripped me out a bit.
 
You got it. I feel like I'm busting my ass here.

What's your idea? Is it more drastic than PSMF?



I'm not too familiar with recomps. Links to some info?

Lifts....

Squat 3x5 205
Deadlift 1x5 265
OHP 3x5 100
Pendlay row 3x5 155
Bench (my weak spot) 3x5 at 155 :(

When I started my cut in May I was at...

Squats 185
Deadlift 255
OHP 95
Row 145
Bench 145

Andy before Januray when I started SL

Squats 135
Deadlift 135
OHP 45
Row (never did)
Bench 125

Leangains or rippedbody.jp has a few articles about it. Basically, you eat 20% more on workout days, 20% less on days off. It is a slower process, but it is meant to maintain your weight while changing your body (losing fat while building muscle).

For dropping the fat fast it was a combination of running 1 mile every morning I could along with a diet around 2500 calories. Though I say it was 2500 calories I wasn't measuring or keeping that strict of watch I just know thats what it was around. My diet revolved around
a couple principles:

- No candy, soda
- No eating after 8:00pm
- 2.5 liters of water a day

Once I really started getting serious about it the weight came off really fast.

That transformation is amazing man. Like two totally different people and the time in which you have done it is impressive as well as is your numbers. Great work dood.
 

andycapps

Member
It's a pain though, because anytime you change your goals and such on the mobile again, it reverts everything back to their shitty ratios.

It's true, and if you raise or lower your goals, it messes with your past ratios. It doesn't keep that for historical data, it just overwrites your previous goal with whatever is in there now.
 

MjFrancis

Member
Leangains or rippedbody.jp has a few articles about it. Basically, you eat 20% more on workout days, 20% less on days off. It is a slower process, but it is meant to maintain your weight while changing your body (converting existing fat to muscle).
Or a body recomposition, i.e. losing fat while simultaneously adding muscle. I know it's semantics FallingEdge, but I don't want anyone getting the idea that intermittent fasting involves alchemy. Enough people believe that as it is, lol.

And both are solid links on IF. I'd say Martin Berkhan wrote the book on intermittent fasting, but he never put out a book and Brad Pilon wrote one first (albeit with different nutrient timings).
 
Or a body recomposition, i.e. losing fat while simultaneously adding muscle. I know it's semantics FallingEdge, but I don't want anyone getting the idea that intermittent fasting involves alchemy. Enough people believe that as it is, lol.

And both are solid links on IF. I'd say Martin Berkhan wrote the book on intermittent fasting, but he never put out a book and Brad Pilon wrote one first (albeit with different nutrient timings).

No you are right, thanks for noticing that. I will make the change. I knew there was a better way to say that lol.
 

LaneDS

Member
For dropping the fat fast it was a combination of running 1 mile every morning I could along with a diet around 2500 calories. Though I say it was 2500 calories I wasn't measuring or keeping that strict of watch I just know thats what it was around. My diet revolved around
a couple principles:

- No candy, soda
- No eating after 8:00pm
- 2.5 liters of water a day

Once I really started getting serious about it the weight came off really fast.

(I keep throwing questions at you from both this thread and the weight loss thread, sorry!)

When you say you didn't eat after 8, what time would you normally be asleep by? Most of my dinners are around 9-10PM and I'm usually asleep by midnight, but this is a function of my schedule mostly.

General question for the thread, but could someone lay out the benefit of getting a lot of water every day? I know that sounds like a silly statement, but I'd like to hear an answer as to how it benefits fitness or even weight loss goals.
 

andycapps

Member
Or a body recomposition, i.e. losing fat while simultaneously adding muscle. I know it's semantics FallingEdge, but I don't want anyone getting the idea that intermittent fasting involves alchemy. Enough people believe that as it is, lol.

And both are solid links on IF. I'd say Martin Berkhan wrote the book on intermittent fasting, but he never put out a book and Brad Pilon wrote one first (albeit with different nutrient timings).

I'm going with the faster weight loss calculations for LG instead of a recomp. I will probably do the recomp eventually when I get to my goals weight wise.

I'm doing 2157 calories on workout days, 1678 on non workout days.
Workout splits 40% protein/30% carbs/30% fat.
Non workout splits 51% protein/24.4% carbs/24.4% fat.

My question for anyone that may know is that I lift on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Then I usually do HIIT sprints on Wednesday and Friday. Should I treat those days as non workout days for my diet, or as workout days? I'd assume that anything other than lifting days are treated as non workout days. It may make those sprints harder, but from what I hear one of the most important things of LG is having those splits be different day to day.
 
(I keep throwing questions at you from both this thread and the weight loss thread, sorry!)

When you say you didn't eat after 8, what time would you normally be asleep by? Most of my dinners are around 9-10PM and I'm usually asleep by midnight, but this is a function of my schedule mostly.

General question for the thread, but could someone lay out the benefit of getting a lot of water every day? I know that sounds like a silly statement, but I'd like to hear an answer as to how it benefits fitness or even weight loss goals.

No problem, I go to sleep around 11. The overall goal is to go to bed with as little food as possible that still needs to be digested since your metabolism will slow down so much. If you go to bed by midnight 9 should be okay.

A good amount of water serves two purposes:
1. Keeps your metabolism running efficiently and high.
2. Keeps you full
 

LaneDS

Member
Roger, I guess both answers were about what I was expecting but since your results are very good the extra detail is appreciated. Thanks!
 

ToxicAdam

Member
General question for the thread, but could someone lay out the benefit of getting a lot of water every day? I know that sounds like a silly statement, but I'd like to hear an answer as to how it benefits fitness or even weight loss goals.



The study included 48 overweight or obese men and women between the ages of 55 and 75 who were on a low-calorie diet (1,200 calories per day for women and 1,500 calories per day for men). Half of the people were instructed to drink 16 ounces of water -- the amount in a small bottle of spring water -- before meals.

After three months, the participants who drank water had lost an average of about 15.5 pounds, compared with just 11 pounds in the control group, according to the study, the first results of which were published earlier this year in the journal Obesity.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/08/23/drink.water.lose.weight/index.html


Drinking water has been one of the greatest changes I have made to my diet. I drink about 3 liters a day. So, far I have lost about 35 lbs in 4 months (I'm alsot working out 5 days a week, also).
 

LaneDS

Member
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/08/23/drink.water.lose.weight/index.html


Drinking water has been one of the greatest changes I have made to my diet. I drink about 3 liters a day. So, far I have lost about 35 lbs in 4 months (I'm alsot working out 5 days a week, also).

I drink a fair amount, especially when working out, but usually when I'm at work the water is subbed out for coffee (I succumb to a little half & half and splenda too) and maybe a diet soda at lunch for the most part, but I've been and will continue to make more of an effort to drink more water and less of the other stuff.

Thanks for the link too.
 

MjFrancis

Member
AlienShogun said:
Mmm, fitness alchemy....

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lol

My question for anyone that may know is that I lift on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Then I usually do HIIT sprints on Wednesday and Friday. Should I treat those days as non workout days for my diet, or as workout days? I'd assume that anything other than lifting days are treated as non workout days. It may make those sprints harder, but from what I hear one of the most important things of LG is having those splits be different day to day.
I sprint for conditioning and not for weight loss, and I wholeheartedly endorse this approach. Better yet, Jim Wendler and Martin Berkhan endorse this, so don't take my word for it. Worth keeping in mind whatever your final decision is.

Martin may have a formula he gives out to compensate for HIIT, but if he does he's mostly keeping it to himself. Given his response to this question, I suspect he would be treating them as nonworkout days (or failing that, calorie neutral if conditioning is a main goal):

Martin Berkhan said:
Someone linked me a site and wanted to know if the claims made were legit. I only clicked to see the heading - How To Boost Your Metabolism Using Interval Training - before I closed it down and told him what I thought about HIIT.

Quick summary -

1. There is no doubt that HIIT is superior to steady state cardio when it comes to improving metabolic conditioning when looking at effect/time invested.

2. Extremely overrated for fat burning. EPOC is minimal and certainly not as significant andf radical as some gurus/nutjobs/pranksters make it out to be. Choosing HIIT before lower intensity, steady state cardio solely for caloric burn is dumb as hell. Here's an example for you:

Let's use a fairly typical 10 min HIIT session as an example, in this case 15 s all out sprints followed by brisk walking for 45 s. 185 lbs male.

Sprints 2.5 min total = counting 25 kcal/min = 62,5

EPOC = 62,5 x 0,15* = 9,5

EPOC is approx 15%

Total for sprints = 62,5 + 9,5 = 72 kcal

Brisk walking 7.5 min total = counting 5 kcal/min = 38 kcal

Total calorie expenditure for a 10 min HIIT session = 110 kcal

...or the equivalent to 22 min brisk walking.

3. That last poit is very important. Even though you burn more calories in less than half the amount of time compared to, for example, brisk walking, HIIT is very draining on the central nervous system. In stark contrast to lower intensity cardio, which you can do for a much longer time, with much greater frequency. For someone interested in fat loss and strength maintenance, and not metabolic conditioning primarily, including HIIT too frequently is playing with fire.

So in conclusion, HIIT is great if conditioning is high on your list. And no, you can't have fat loss, optimal strength maintenance and conditioning all high on your list. Something has to give. Since most people, at least the clients I deal with, are interested in fat loss, HIIT is vastly overrated and the frequency to which it has to be integrated in order to create a substantial caloric deficit will cause most people to crash, and their lifts to plummet. Which is why I rarely recommend HIIT for someone that just wants to get lean, while keeping their strength up in the gym. If you aren't concerned with getting your resting heart rate low, and just want to look good naked, think twice before jumping on the HIIT bandwagon.
 

andycapps

Member
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lol

I sprint for conditioning and not for weight loss, and I wholeheartedly endorse this approach. Better yet, Jim Wendler and Martin Berkhan endorse this, so don't take my word for it. Worth keeping in mind whatever your final decision is.

Martin may have a formula he gives out to compensate for HIIT, but if he does he's mostly keeping it to himself. Given his response to this question, I suspect he would be treating them as nonworkout days (or failing that, calorie neutral if conditioning is a main goal):

His approach is interesting, but it doesn't seem to take into account one of the main benefits that most people ascribe to HIIT sprints: elevated heart rate post-sprints. It's proven that your heart rate is elevated for hours after these sprints. So yeah, you're burning only 100ish calories during the sprints, but the main thing is the residual workout that your heart is giving your body for the hours afterwards. Or at least, that's what I would think. So in 10-12 minutes I can get an intense workout that in essence works for me after I'm done. I usually do a 5-10 minute cooldown walk after my sprints, and then I go inside and drink some protein and relax for another 10 minutes or so. Then I take a cold shower, and I'm still sweating for a good hour afterwards. I don't have a heart rate monitor, but I'd expect that it's still elevated above resting rate for 1 1/2-2 hours afterward.

I can understand his reluctance to recommend them on days when you lift, and I don't plan on doing any cardio on those days. Some fast walking instead of sprints probably wouldn't be a bad idea 1 out of 3 cardio days.
 

twofold

Member
His approach is interesting, but it doesn't seem to take into account one of the main benefits that most people ascribe to HIIT sprints: elevated heart rate post-sprints. It's proven that your heart rate is elevated for hours after these sprints. So yeah, you're burning only 100ish calories during the sprints, but the main thing is the residual workout that your heart is giving your body for the hours afterwards. Or at least, that's what I would think. So in 10-12 minutes I can get an intense workout that in essence works for me after I'm done. I usually do a 5-10 minute cooldown walk after my sprints, and then I go inside and drink some protein and relax for another 10 minutes or so. Then I take a cold shower, and I'm still sweating for a good hour afterwards. I don't have a heart rate monitor, but I'd expect that it's still elevated above resting rate for 1 1/2-2 hours afterward.

I can understand his reluctance to recommend them on days when you lift, and I don't plan on doing any cardio on those days. Some fast walking instead of sprints probably wouldn't be a bad idea 1 out of 3 cardio days.

Read Martin's second second point. EPOC stands for excess post-exercise oxygen consumption, which is the elevated heart rate effect you're talking about.

Edit - According to Lyle Mcdonald, the effect of EPOC due to HIIT has been found to be about 14% extra burned calories. Low intensity cardio produces an EPOC of 7%.

There is absolutely no doubt that higher intensity activity generates a larger EPOC, as measured by the percentage contribution. But like the fact that low intensity cardio burns a greater percentage of fat than higher intensity, this is misleading. 14% of a smaller calorie burn may still be smaller than 7% of a much larger burn. At the end of the day, outside of extremely unrealistic levels of exercise, the basic fact is that the absolute magnitude of the EPOC simply doesn’t amount to very much in the first place. One interval study, which found a 14% increase in metabolic rate via EPOC measured an irrelevant 32 calorie afterburn. Yayyy.

The simple fact is that the calories burned during activity are going to contribute the most to calorie burn, not EPOC and focusing on increasing that value is going to have a much larger impact on calorie balance (all other things equal) than worrying about EPOC.

Edit 2 - This article has even more info;

Say I do 20 minutes of intervals and burn 200 calories. I get a 14% EPOC which is 28 whole calories. Total calorie burn = 228 calories.

Let’s say I do 20 minutes of steady state cardio and burn the same 200 calories. 7% EPOC which is 14 calories = 214 calories.

So, for an equivalent duration workout, the interval workout comes out a whopping 14 calories ahead due to the impact of EPOC. That will net me an extra pound of fat loss every 250 days (3500 calories / 14 calories per day = 250 days). Hooray. Clearly, for any equivalent length workout the interval training will always come out slightly ahead.
 

andycapps

Member
Read Martin's second second point. EPOC stands for excess post-exercise oxygen consumption, which is the elevated heart rate effect you're talking about.

Edit - According to Lyle Mcdonald, the effect of EPOC during HIIT has been found to be about 14% extra burned calories. Low intensity cardio produces an EPOC of 7%.



Edit 2 - This article has even more info;

The second one posted doesn't make sense. You're going to burn more calories in 20 minutes of sprints than 20 minutes of steady state walking. What he could say is that the total calories burned are roughly equivalent from doing 12-15 minutes of sprints and doing 20 minutes of walking. I can see that being the case. Sprints are good for me because they're an intense cardio workout in a short amount of time. I don't do steady state walking, or even ride my bike often because it takes so long. I think both forms of cardio should be incorporated though.

Also, I think I'm talking about a different workout than the second article. I was comparing brisk walking vs HIIT sprints. He seems to be comparing moderate jogging, which makes a bit more sense.

I don't know about the accuracy of this site, but aside from straight calories like most of these articles focus on, here are the benefits from HIIT:

• Increased Aerobic Capacity – The amount of oxygen your body can use (oxygen uptake) is increased, so your overall aerobic capacity can increase faster than with just jogging

• Increased Lactate Threshold – Your ability to handle increased lactic acid buildup in your muscles substantially increases

• Improved Insulin Sensitivity – Your muscles more readily suck in glucose, instead of the glucose going to your fat stores

• Anabolic Effect – Some studies show that interval training combined with consuming slightly more calories than you burn creates an anabolic effect, which helps you put on muscle without putting on fat. The opposite occurs with steady state cardio, which for long durations is catabolic, thus stripping away all that hard earned muscle you have (just see the picture of the marathoner above)
 

twofold

Member
The second one posted doesn't make sense. You're going to burn more calories in 20 minutes of sprints than 20 minutes of steady state walking. What he could say is that the total calories burned are roughly equivalent from doing 12-15 minutes of sprints and doing 20 minutes of walking. I can see that being the case. Sprints are good for me because they're an intense cardio workout in a short amount of time. I don't do steady state walking, or even ride my bike often because it takes so long. I think both forms of cardio should be incorporated though.

Also, I think I'm talking about a different workout than the second article. I was comparing brisk walking vs HIIT sprints. He seems to be comparing moderate jogging, which makes a bit more sense.

I don't know about the accuracy of this site, but aside from straight calories like most of these articles focus on, here are the benefits from HIIT:

As Martin said in his article, HIIT is fantastic for improving conditioning and GPP but it is not efficient for fat loss and it can impede strength goals by overtaxing the CNS.

You need to decide which is more appropriate for your goals and then do it.

If you want to lose fat and get lean and strong, go for a brisk walk in the mornings. If you want to improve your conditioning, do HIIT.

I think that's all there is to it.
 

andycapps

Member
As Martin said in his article, HIIT is fantastic for improving conditioning and GPP but it is not efficient for fat loss and it can impede strength goals by overtaxing the CNS.

You need to decide which is more appropriate for your goals and then do it.

If you want to lose fat and get lean and strong, go for a brisk walk in the mornings. If you want to improve your conditioning, do HIIT.

I think that's all there is to it.

It's something to keep in mind, for sure.. Thanks for the input!
 

SeanR1221

Member
Ok guys, I guess it's time to suck it up and try to make lean gains work on my schedule. Help me through this please.

I see three clients a day. One usually 9-12, second one 12:30-3:30 and last one 4-6.

My first meal would be at around 3:45.

I would work out in the evenings after work.

I would not eat after 10:30.

I'm 5'8, 181-183 pounds. My resting BMR is 1880 calories.

On lifting days I'd eat 2200 calories, more carbs.

On non lifting/HIIT days I'd eat 1500 calories less carbs

The only thing I won't be able to follow that well is my biggest meal being post workout or a couple reasons. Some days I have meetings 6:30-8:30. On those days, Id have to workout fasted in the AM.

Please critique. I'm doing everything I can to be in the best shape of my life
 
In my experience the past couple months HIIT made a huge difference on my BF levels. At the half way point of my mile is a small playground with pull up bars, rings and such.

Running full out sprint for a 1/2 mile and then doing a circuit of:
-Pullups
-Pushups
-Squat Jumps
-Lunge Jumps
-Hanging Leg Raises
-Hanging Leg Lateral Raises*

*No rest between exercises

Then immediately running back the other 1/2 mile with the end being again full sprint made the biggest impact in my BF by far.
 

twofold

Member
Ok guys, I guess it's time to suck it up and try to make lean gains work on my schedule. Help me through this please.

I see three clients a day. One usually 9-12, second one 12:30-3:30 and last one 4-6.

My first meal would be at around 3:45.

I would work out in the evenings after work.

I would not eat after 10:30.

I'm 5'8, 181-183 pounds. My resting BMR is 1880 calories.

On lifting days I'd eat 2200 calories, more carbs.

On non lifting/HIIT days I'd eat 1500 calories less carbs

The only thing I won't be able to follow that well is my biggest meal being post workout or a couple reasons. Some days I have meetings 6:30-8:30. On those days, Id have to workout fasted in the AM.

Please critique. I'm doing everything I can to be in the best shape of my life

Have you considered getting a consultation from Andy, the rippedbody guy? http://rippedbody.jp/english/personal-consultations/

I don't know how much it costs but it might be a good thing to leave all the planning to someone else allowing you to focus on sticking to the plan.

His clients seem to get pretty damn good results judging from the results page.
 

Petrie

Banned
In my experience the past couple months HIIT made a huge difference on my BF levels. At the half way point of my mile is a small playground with pull up bars, rings and such.

Running full out sprint for a 1/2 mile and then doing a circuit of:
-Pullups
-Pushups
-Squat Jumps
-Lunge Jumps
-Hanging Leg Raises
-Hanging Leg Lateral Raises*

*No rest between exercises

Then immediately running back the other 1/2 mile with the end being again full sprint made the biggest impact in my BF by far.

What you're describing isn't HiiT.
 

harSon

Banned
Bruce Leeroy, did you eat anything as long as it was under 2500 calories? Or did you pay attention to macro percentages (Carbs, fats, protein)?
 
Bruce Leeroy, did you eat anything as long as it was under 2500 calories? Or did you pay attention to macro percentages (Carbs, fats, protein)?

Honestly I was using the 2500 as more of a guideline and just looked at overall portion control to get pretty close to it. Every meal revolved around meat and vegetables with either brown rice or wheat(Pasta,bread, ect.) for my carb intake. Cutting HFC 100% out(No candy, soda) and staying away from simple carbs when I wasn't using them to fuel a workout was my principles.


What you're describing isn't HiiT.

Ahh I just looked it up. Your right, sorry my bad.
 

Petrie

Banned
NOPE! Stay strong dood. Our time is next year =)

So glad to be done cutting. Going from a net 1380 calories a day up to a 2700 new (for now, will adjust upward) is amazing. I feel like I can eat anything and everything I want, because thanks to my cut the things I want to eat are much cleaner anyways. This morning I had a bowl of oatmeal with a tiny bit of brown sugar, 4 strips of bacon, 3 eggs, and a cup of plain greek yogurt. On my cut that would've been like 1/2 my day of calories, now, it's barely a dent!

Screw cuts, let's get big people!


No man get the strength and the size then do the cutting.

Ye. So excited to see my numbers really increase again. Having to skip today's gym day because of my quads being dead is killing me! Can't wait till tomorrow!
 

TheCrow

Member
Yeah, the time for cutting has passed. It's all about bulking and making all types of gains. I'm shocked that I'm actually starting to get tired of eating chicken all the damn time. Didn't think it would get that bad.
 

andycapps

Member
So glad to be done cutting. Going from a net 1380 calories a day up to a 2700 new (for now, will adjust upward) is amazing. I feel like I can eat anything and everything I want, because thanks to my cut the things I want to eat are much cleaner anyways. This morning I had a bowl of oatmeal with a tiny bit of brown sugar, 4 strips of bacon, 3 eggs, and a cup of plain greek yogurt. On my cut that would've been like 1/2 my day of calories, now, it's barely a dent!

Screw cuts, let's get big people!

Thankfully my LG cut is nowhere near that extreme. 2100+ on workout days, and almost 1600 on non-workout days. So it shouldn't be super restrictive, just the hours that I eat, combined with the macros. Though my most important macro (to me) is protein, and obviously keeping unnecessary carbs controlled.
 
So glad to be done cutting. Going from a net 1380 calories a day up to a 2700 new (for now, will adjust upward) is amazing. I feel like I can eat anything and everything I want, because thanks to my cut the things I want to eat are much cleaner anyways. This morning I had a bowl of oatmeal with a tiny bit of brown sugar, 4 strips of bacon, 3 eggs, and a cup of plain greek yogurt. On my cut that would've been like 1/2 my day of calories, now, it's barely a dent!

Screw cuts, let's get big people!




Ye. So excited to see my numbers really increase again. Having to skip today's gym day because of my quads being dead is killing me! Can't wait till tomorrow!

I made the mistake years ago of just going for a ripped physique and starting the cutt way to early and my strength gains were almost non-existant. You got to hit your goal weight before you start stripping all of it away.
 

Petrie

Banned
Thankfully my LG cut is nowhere near that extreme. 2100+ on workout days, and almost 1600 on non-workout days. So it shouldn't be super restrictive, just the hours that I eat, combined with the macros. Though my most important macro (to me) is protein, and obviously keeping unnecessary carbs controlled.

well I wasnt actually eating 1400 calories. that was my net, which went up based on my cardio and weight lifting activity, along with my job being on my feet for hours running around. it was rare for me to actually eat under 1800, and more often ended up around 22-2600 on days I'd work, so it wasn't THat bad.

not having a desk job helps a lot.
 

andycapps

Member
well I wasnt actually eating 1400 calories. that was my net, which went up based on my cardio and weight lifting activity, along with my job being on my feet for hours running around. it was rare for me to actually eat under 1800, and more often ended up around 22-2600 on days I'd work, so it wasn't THat bad.

not having a desk job helps a lot.

I bet.. I sit at a desk for 8 hours a day so that doesn't do me any favors.

Do you all agree that if I'm trying to lose 25 pounds that I should be doing a cut and not a recomp? As it is, the macro I did for this cut estimated it would take 33 weeks to lose that weight.
 

iddqd

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Heeyyyyy... So anybody got some skin issues after taking creatine?
I developed a bunch of pimples on my forearms since taking it.

- I'm old and dont get pimples anymore
- Have not done Jiu Jitsu in a while
- No clue what else it could be, Creatine was the only "new" thing to my diet in the last 4 weeks.

The internet tells me I should drink more water but I'm already drinking 3l every day and that seems good to me.
 
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