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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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Mr.City

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For the average person trying to gain or lose 10-15lbs you're absolutely right, cutting/bulking cycles are the way to go.

But for somebody who is obese, the same rules just don't apply. First of all just carrying around that much weight they're going to be pretty damn strong. Every time a 330lb guy bends down it'd be like an average guy (around 160lbs) doing 170 lb squats.

So if you're lifting, you're going to at least keep most of your muscle, your body needs it to survive. On top of that you're going to get newbie gains (which we all know is is pretty enormous).

The problem with a lot of obese people who succeed in losing weight is they go on EXTREME caloric deficits, and lose weight at an unhealthy pace, and all the muscle along with it.

The obese (not superheavy weight powerlifters) benefit immediately from exercise. Lyle McDonald wrote extensively about this, concluding that the obese beginner can lost a lot of fat without sacrificing muscle.

Congrats on becoming a trainer though. I'm curious as to why type of curriculum/material you need to learn for the test.
 
Almost 3 months of 5/3/1 and I am so happy with the progress. We went to the lake this past weekend and my friend was snapping photos of everyone so I am sorry for the lifetime shots but I am pretty amazed by the progress.

I went from 178 to 195.

-Bench from 225 to 265
-Squats from 245 to 295
-Deadlift from 275 to 315


-Military Press 60lbs - 85lbs
-Standing Curls 40lbs - 55lbs
-Pullups(Widegrip) 15 - 25 reps

I am so stoked with the progress. Thanks for the recommendations guys I haven't hit a big plateau yet but I am assuming its coming.


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Almost 3 months of 5/3/1 and I am so happy with the progress. We went to the lake this past weekend and my friend was snapping photos of everyone so I am sorry for the lifetime shots but I am pretty amazed by the progress.

I went from 178 to 195.

How tall are you?

Looking great as well. Any before pics?
 
How tall are you?

Looking great as well. Any before pics?

Thanks guys.
6'1 so the weight jump isn't super impressive but its the biggest I have been in a long long time.
The only before pic I could find is in the weight loss thread but its not the worst I looked this last year but unfortunately I didn't get any pics of me at my most shameful.
 
Thanks guys.
6'1 so the weight jump isn't super impressive but its the biggest I have been in a long long time.
The only before pic I could find is in the weight loss thread but its not the worst I looked this last year but unfortunately I didn't get any pics of me at my most shameful.

Word. Keep it up! One day I will have a chest like that!
 

SeanR1221

Member
Ok I'm at the 3 month point of a cut and 2 weeks of eating more food to get past my weight loss plateau so I figured I'd post a picture.

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Still not close to where I want to be.
 

MrToughPants

Brian Burke punched my mom
Finally hit the 100s for flat db fly after 4 years of 90-95s...none of that press out shit.

Hope to get 120s someday like the guy I saw in the Pro Gym years ago, some giant RCMP (think Nathan Jones) from northern Quebec who repped 500 on bench and did 120s for flys. /envy + inspiration... I think I'd have to be 225 do even do them.
 
Finally hit the 100s for flat db fly after 4 years of 90-95s...none of that press out shit.

Hope to get 120s someday like the guy I saw in the Pro Gym years ago, some giant RCMP (think Nathan Jones) from northern Quebec who repped 500 on bench and did 120s for flys. /envy + inspiration... I think I'd have to be 225 do even do them.
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Grats!
 

Escape Goat

Member
30 min? dam at what speed?

Pretty intense. At a level of intensity where you're damn near out of breath the entire time. I'm not sure what is included with HIIT but its usually two exercises going for 2 minutes max and then switching to the second exercise. Once we've done 3 sets of those two, we do 3 more sets of two other exercises (mix between weights, burpees, push ups, anything really).
 

TheCrow

Member
Great progress BruceLeeRoy. Your pictures are getting me excited for my upcoming bulk. Tomorrow I might just post the final pictures of me on my cut. Currently at around 119 at 5'5 and only have a couple more days to go on my PSMF.
 

kylej

Banned
all the personal trainers in my Golds are out of shape. the one female personal trainer is straight up chunky.

I don't get it.
 

MrToughPants

Brian Burke punched my mom
Anyone have weight training shoe recommendations.

Weightlifting shoes are great for certain exercises like full squats, front squats, RDLs and more. I've had a pair of Do-Wins for about 3 years now and they allow my balls to touch the floor when I squat... Seriously they're a great option to look into.

Amazing transformation BruceLeeRoy.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Hang cleaned and jerked 135lbs today, which is not a big deal for some, but a big deal for me. I would have gotten 5 reps up instead of 3-4 if I had some chalk or if the gym wasn't so damn humid. I'll get it though.
 
How are you going about this? I've been interested in it but never really understood the process. Do you just pass the exam and that's it?... or, are there required courses?
I was like you not long ago, but I have a friend who's a personal trainer so I once I got more serious I started asking him some quetions.

Well, like most any job what you earn is going to depend on your experience and what pieces of paper you own.

But basically yes. You pay roughly $1000 (the test is $500-$600 but you need books and stuff so), and then you take a long exam and that's it, you're certified (also have to be CPR and defibrillator trained). You do have to recertify every 2 years, or take "advanced learning courses" but re-certification doesn't cost near as much

I'm getting my certification through NASM (NASM.org) they guarantee employment within 90's of completing the certification or your money back.

Median pay (according to some fairly reliable sources) is around 55k a year, average staring salary is around 40k a year. You're basically selling and investing into yourself though, the more you put into it, the more you're going to get out of it, and you can make pretty good money if you're good at it and you work hard and develop good relationships. Supposedly the job is expected to see a lot of growth and need over the next 10 years as well (from projections), so I'm stoked.

Thanks to everyone for the well wishes, I will let you all know how it goes. I'll let you know how long it takes to get my Cert, how much I make, how long it takes to find a job, etc.
 

Tess3ract

Banned
How can you do 85 MP and look like that? I figure with that body you could do close to 100 easy.

I look like shit compared to you, and when I lifted more often I was at 85 fairly easily in 3x5 reps doing SS
 

Imm0rt4l

Member
Almost 3 months of 5/3/1 and I am so happy with the progress. We went to the lake this past weekend and my friend was snapping photos of everyone so I am sorry for the lifetime shots but I am pretty amazed by the progress.

I went from 178 to 195.

-Bench from 225 to 265
-Squats from 245 to 295
-Deadlift from 275 to 315


-Military Press 60lbs - 85lbs
-Standing Curls 40lbs - 55lbs
-Pullups(Widegrip) 15 - 25 reps

I am so stoked with the progress. Thanks for the recommendations guys I haven't hit a big plateau yet but I am assuming its coming.


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You got the glow
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
How can you do 85 MP and look like that? I figure with that body you could do close to 100 easy.

I look like shit compared to you, and when I lifted more often I was at 85 fairly easily in 3x5 reps doing SS

I think your mistake is equating leanness with strength. Also, strength is relative, but looking at him his shoulders/front delts don't look very "big."

Regardless, it's a hell of a transformation, and all of his lifts improved, so it's a win/win.
 

mooooose

Member
Not to shit on Bruce, because I'd kill to look like him and he obviously lifts, but his amazing physique is a BF thing. His lifts are great but not exceptional like you would guess from the way he looks, other than his Bench which is somehow really high in comparison to DL/Squats (and it shows, his chest is his best feature) and his shoulders look weak, and they are.

That said, your transformation is inspiring. I can't wait to look like you one day. Keep doing what you're doing and get big and strong dude. You're the man.
 
How many reps/sets did you do? I saw one site recommending 8-12 reps but I want to try it with the usual 5 when I start it up tomorrow.

Dude, I did three sets and had to start at 5 lbs to get used the movement. It's freaking hard! I did 5x20 @ 5. Then I did 5x15 @ 10 followed by 5x15 @ 15. For some reason my arms hate curling at that position, but I made it through. Definitely an exercise I'm gonna work on!
 
How can you do 85 MP and look like that? I figure with that body you could do close to 100 easy.

I look like shit compared to you, and when I lifted more often I was at 85 fairly easily in 3x5 reps doing SS

Yeah its not a impressive amount of weight and AlienShogun basically explained it perfectly. I was able to get in relatively good shape this spring and dropped a lot of the Fall/Winter weight but I wasn't getting anywhere strength wise. Mr City and AlienShogun pointed me to the 5/3/1 program and it made a big difference for my strength more than anything.


So I'm starting 5/3/1 next week. I'm kinda nervous, but at the same time really pumped. I have no clue why I'm nervous, lol.

I was nervous everyday driving to the gym for this program but man its so worth it. You will love it man.

Not to shit on Bruce, because I'd kill to look like him and he obviously lifts, but his amazing physique is a BF thing. His lifts are great but not exceptional like you would guess from the way he looks, other than his Bench which is somehow really high in comparison to DL/Squats (and it shows, his chest is his best feature) and his shoulders look weak, and they are.

That said, your transformation is inspiring. I can't wait to look like you one day. Keep doing what you're doing and get big and strong dude. You're the man.

Thanks man, and your right shoulders are where I need to do the most amount of work. They have consistently lagged behind but I also have a habit of neglecting them as far as pushing a lot of weight. I mostly increased in strength with MP as a by-product of how heavy I was pushing on bench.
 

Carbonox

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I have somewhat of an ingrowing toenail, I'm suffering the after-effects of a double cramp in the same calf (where you can't walk properly and have to walk on your toes) and I now think I pulled my groin as I cant lift my left leg up too much without it hurting. Oh, and a lovely juicy blister on my heel.

Yesterday was a roaring success!
 

Corky

Nine out of ten orphans can't tell the difference.
Damn the body is pretty darn amazing...

Considering my history of spine and lower-back problems combined with the fact that this is my first week of bulk I am terrified of doing heavy deadlifts or dipping my feet in the squat-business.

Yet somehow I managed to ( to my genuine surprise ) do a 5x5 set of DL @ 310 lbs with somewhat decent form towards the end. That's more than twice my body weight, I'm gonna ride this high all week. It's not the fact that I managed to lift some arbitrary weight but rather the realization that my body isn't as weak and fragile as it was years ago even when I was much stronger, losing a ton of weight has given me a better foundation/core-strength to further build upon. No longer shall I fear excruciating morning-after back pains after doing back exercises.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Any thoughts on my progress so far guys? I know I picked a bad time with Bruce's pictures going up, but even if you're thinking I see no change just be honest.
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Any thoughts on my progress so far guys? I know I picked a bad time with Bruce's pictures going up, but even if you're thinking I see no change just be honest.

The change is obvious, but for the amount of time and effort you've put into it I'd say you're a bit disappointed with the results.. right?

I'd suggest something drastic, but I have a feeling my ideas for weight loss might be looked down on here haha.
 

twofold

Member
Any thoughts on my progress so far guys? I know I picked a bad time with Bruce's pictures going up, but even if you're thinking I see no change just be honest.

There's a definite difference. You seem disappointed, though. It'll take time before you get to where you want to be.

I don't think you should be cutting, btw. A recomp would probably be better so you can get some more muscle on your frame. What are your lifts like?
 

SeanR1221

Member
The change is obvious, but for the amount of time and effort you've put into it I'd say you're a bit disappointed with the results.. right?

I'd suggest something drastic, but I have a feeling my ideas for weight loss might be looked down on here haha.

You got it. I feel like I'm busting my ass here.

What's your idea? Is it more drastic than PSMF?

There's a definite difference. You seem disappointed, though. It'll take time before you get to where you want to be.

I don't think you should be cutting, btw. A recomp would probably be better so you can get some more muscle on your frame. What are your lifts like?

I'm not too familiar with recomps. Links to some info?

Lifts....

Squat 3x5 205
Deadlift 1x5 265
OHP 3x5 100
Pendlay row 3x5 155
Bench (my weak spot) 3x5 at 155 :(

When I started my cut in May I was at...

Squats 185
Deadlift 255
OHP 95
Row 145
Bench 145

Andy before Januray when I started SL

Squats 135
Deadlift 135
OHP 45
Row (never did)
Bench 125
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
You got it. I feel like I'm busting my ass here.

What's your idea? Is it more drastic than PSMF?

It's actually hard for me to recommend, since I have nothing but personal experience and anecdotes to support my style of weight loss. I'm sure others would come in with their SCIENCE and LOGIC and all that.. but seriously.. go on a negative calorie diet. It's what I did for marathon training years ago and it just works. It's not starving yourself, it's not unhealthy at all, and if you enjoy cardio it's a lot of fun. But throw out the word "satiate" if that means anything to you, there's no time to be satisfied about anything. You eat what you have to, work it off, and do it again.

My personal plan I came up with right before the banana diet boom in Japan..coincidence? I think not.

Cardio day -
Breakfast - Banana and 1-2L of water.
Lunch - A bowl of raw peanuts 1-2L of water
Dinner - Vegetable soup (literally water, cabbage, broccoli, celery, and tomato for some flavor)
In addition throughout the day 2-4L of water

Non-cardio day-
Breakfast - Banana and 1-2L of water.
Lunch - A bowl of raw peanuts 1-2L of water
In addition throughout the day 2-4L of water

Since I was training my runs were fairly long, about 8-10km on cardio days with one long run a week that eventually ramped up to 16-20km. But I'm sure this works with significantly less cardio and especially with that HIIT stuff. You should note this isn't a complete negative calorie diet, on non-cardio days you're still taking in like 5-600 calories, but on cardio days you will burn much more than you take in. I used no supplements and did no weight training. I can't see weights being a negative but you might not have the energy for it.

I started at about 185lbs (I'm 6'2") and got to 152lb in about 3 months (I only did like 6 months training for my first marathon). Funny story is I actually used my results as a cut to begin bodybuilding immediately after my marathon ended. Totally on a whim..didn't plan it like that. Yes, I have pictures, but with people hiding this faces in this thread so often I'm paranoid there's a ninja taking out posters here.

I should also note I did this when I was in my early 20's.. now at almost 30 I wonder if my body could handle it as easily as I did back then. I do plan to do a variation of it after this current bulk is over.

Disclaimer again: This is just my personal experiences, this is not meant to be expert advice, nor do I recommend this for everyone. But if you're super frustrated with what you're doing, hey, maybe.
 
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