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RSTEIN

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Wendler's flair for the dramatic isn't my style, but his overall message is sound: shit ain't that serious. Train hard, get protein, and rest.

Yeah, for sure. But let's look at what he's saying.

Wendler: "Don't fall for the crap on TV" but on the other hand, "science and studies, fuck you!"
Reality: science separates the "crap on TV" from what really works. Fitness and body building is science in action.

Wendler: "I've got scars and blood and vomit"
Reality: That's too bad. Sure, you have to push to the max, but if you've got scars or serious injuries then you're doing something wrong. Unless you're a professional athlete.

Wendler: "Stop all the things that make you a pussy and steal your energy. Get your life back."
Reality: What activities make me a pussy? What is the definition of a pussy? How is this relevant to what happens in the gym?

I'm probably just reading too much into it.
 

Petrie

Banned
Yeah, for sure. But let's look at what he's saying.

Wendler: "Don't fall for the crap on TV" but on the other hand, "science and studies, fuck you!"
Reality: science separates the "crap on TV" from what really works. Fitness and body building is science in action.

I'm probably just reading too much into it.

I think what he's saying, and it happens here a lot, is to quit focusing on macros and tiny shit that doesn't matter, and just get into the gym and lift hard and heavy. People get way too caught up in the little bullshit of it all, instead of just focusing on hard work and results.
 

Draft

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I think what he's saying, and it happens here a lot, is to quit focusing on macros and tiny shit that doesn't matter, and just get into the gym and lift hard and heavy. People get way too caught up in the little bullshit of it all, instead of just focusing on hard work and results.
That's always how I've interpreted Wendler. It's hard to sell books that are only one sentence long so he dresses up that simple philosophy with flowery prose.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
You have to take Wendler for what he is and who he's marketing to. The dude isn't an idiot, he knows exactly what he's doing when he says shit like that.
 

Dash27

Member
Re: Wendler

People are always pushing some little variance of training. Which is fine but if you are the type to think you know it all because of the latest tidbit you read, and at the same time are not the type who has put in a lot of effort, that's who I think Wendler is talking to. Others get the paralysis from over analyzing things and it screws them up, I know I've had that happen to me and it happens with everyone up to and including professional athletes. At the end of the day just get under the bar and squat. Eat good food. Work hard.

A lot of people deliberate over small shit like do I look straight ahead when squatting or should I look up? Should I pause at the bottom of my bench? Should I try this new set rep method I read about? I heard the all push up routine gets the best results. I've been doing this other program for 3 days now and no improvement, time to try something else.

There is usually a lot of fundamentals that can be improved on before you try and tweak things and get bogged down on mostly irrelevant details. It's generally understood what works, if you're not already doing that dont bother with other meaningless crap that will bog you down.

EDIT: Petrie said it better than I did...
 

blackflag

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That's a decent point but I can't help remembering that when I read the book I thought the NOV part was the most childish, badly written, crap I've ever read. It's still an awesome program and I've been doing it for 9 cycles...not 9 months, since I skip deload.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
That's a decent point but I can't help remembering that when I read the book I thought the NOV part was the most childish, badly written, crap I've ever read. It's still an awesome program and I've been doing it for 9 cycles...not 9 months, since I skip deload.

That's what he's aiming for with his writing. Like MJ said before though, he REALLY needs an editor.
 

Dash27

Member
I typically have a certain tolerance for the rah rah stuff. It gets to be too much real quick but every now and then you need a rhetorical slap in the face to keep you grounded. Stop over thinking things. Wendler is good at that, so is Rippetoe. They are good at it because they both know what they're doing.

I'm doing 5/3/1 now. I have to say I liked Starting Strength a little better but I'm only a month in.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I typically have a certain tolerance for the rah rah stuff. It gets to be too much real quick but every now and then you need a rhetorical slap in the face to keep you grounded. Stop over thinking things. Wendler is good at that, so is Rippetoe. They are good at it because they both know what they're doing.

I'm doing 5/3/1 now. I have to say I liked Starting Strength a little better but I'm only a month in.

I'm actually contemplating moving to WSBB routine or Texas method when I get established in a new house. Right now I'm kind of in lifting/cardio limbo waiting to go to Georgia.
 

blackflag

Member
I typically have a certain tolerance for the rah rah stuff. It gets to be too much real quick but every now and then you need a rhetorical slap in the face to keep you grounded. Stop over thinking things. Wendler is good at that, so is Rippetoe. They are good at it because they both know what they're doing.

I'm doing 5/3/1 now. I have to say I liked Starting Strength a little better but I'm only a month in.

Starting Strength is definitely better up to a point. There comes that time though when you just can't deadlift, and Squat so much in one day or squat 3x per week.

I've been thinking of changing things up though because I do want to squat 2x per week.
 

Noema

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Yeah, for me the question never is: "Should I do SS or 531?"

SS is for novices or people who are trying to regain strength. But it can't be sustained forever. It's supposed to be done for 7-10 months and then you move on to an intermediate Strength program like Texas Method or 531, or you move to bodybuilding or whatever.
 

Eidan

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Yeah, for me the question never is: "Should I do SS or 531?"

SS is for novices or people who are trying to regain strength. But it can't be sustained forever. It's supposed to be done for 7-10 months and then you move on to an intermediate Strength program like Texas Method or 531, or you move to bodybuildinh or whatever.

I've been doing Wendler's 5/3/1 for bodybuilding for the past 8 months. I've been thinking of changing things up a bit. What are considered the best bodybuilding programs out there?
 

Noema

Member
I've been doing Wendler's 5/3/1 for bodybuilding for the past 8 months. I've been thinking of changing things up a bit. What are considered the best bodybuilding programs out there?

I don't know much about Bodybuilding but a lot of people seem to like Layne Norton's PHAT. It's basically a 2xweek Upper Body / Lower Body split, with one day focusing on strength and intensity and the other focusing on getting a pump for hypertrophy.

More info:

http://www.directlyfitness.com/2012/p-h-a-t-training-layne-nortons-workout-system/

http://www.shreddedknowledge.com/home/dr-layne-nortons-phat-workout/
 

twofold

Member
Re: Wendler

People are always pushing some little variance of training. Which is fine but if you are the type to think you know it all because of the latest tidbit you read, and at the same time are not the type who has put in a lot of effort, that's who I think Wendler is talking to. Others get the paralysis from over analyzing things and it screws them up, I know I've had that happen to me and it happens with everyone up to and including professional athletes. At the end of the day just get under the bar and squat. Eat good food. Work hard.

A lot of people deliberate over small shit like do I look straight ahead when squatting or should I look up? Should I pause at the bottom of my bench? Should I try this new set rep method I read about? I heard the all push up routine gets the best results. I've been doing this other program for 3 days now and no improvement, time to try something else.

There is usually a lot of fundamentals that can be improved on before you try and tweak things and get bogged down on mostly irrelevant details. It's generally understood what works, if you're not already doing that dont bother with other meaningless crap that will bog you down.

EDIT: Petrie said it better than I did...

I posted this a long time ago in this thread --

Ever heard of the Pareto Principle? It's an idea in business that states that 80% of the results comes from 20% the effort you put into a particular activity. The final 20% of the results take up 80% of the effort. The Pareto Principle, in general, seems to apply to more than just business. When it comes to fitness, it definitely applies.

What I'm saying is.. Focus on the big things that produce the majority of the results instead of trying to micro manage the small things (like advanced glycemic end, whatever that is) that produce very little results.

It's a problem endemic in most things.

People focus on the 80% that only gives 20% of the results instead of the 20% that gives 80% of the results. Rippetoe and Wendler are really great sources because they put more focus on the 20% that delivers the results.

Pavel Tsatsouline wrote an article about how the Pareto principle applies to powerlifting. It's worth a read.

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...ting-and-how-to-add-110-pounds-to-your-lifts/
 

Petrie

Banned
I posted this a long time ago in this thread --



It's a problem endemic in most things.

People focus on the 80% that only gives 20% of the results instead of the 20% that gives 80% of the results. Rippetoe and Wendler are really great sources because they put more focus on the 20% that delivers the results.

Pavel Tsatsouline wrote an article about how the Pareto principle applies to powerlifting. It's worth a read.

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...ting-and-how-to-add-110-pounds-to-your-lifts/

I'll never understand it. People come in who can barely bench 100lbs for reps, or squat correctly with even the bar by itself, but they're spending their time and energy concerning themselves with timing of meals or what supplements to be using, or hitting exact macros.

Focus that energy on learning to lift heavy shit with proper form, then year(s) down the road when you hit a true wall, start to play around with advanced stuff. I truly can't wrap my head around why people can't grasp that and focus on what truly brings results.
 

twofold

Member
I'll never understand it. People come in who can barely bench 100lbs for reps, or squat correctly with even the bar by itself, but they're spending their time and energy concerning themselves with timing of meals or what supplements to be using, or hitting exact macros.

Focus that energy on learning to lift heavy shit with proper form, then year(s) down the road when you hit a true wall, start to play around with advanced stuff. I truly can't wrap my head around why people can't grasp that and focus on what truly brings results.

I think a lot of people have a hard time believing that it can be that 'simple'.

Take a look at the fitness and dieting media. We're constantly being bombarded with tons of information, studies and the like that confuse more than they help. There's a thread going on right now where people are discussing the efficiency of certain diets by comparing studies and stuff. It's ridiculous.

The diet/fitness industry folks want people to feel confused so they don't take action so they end up spending more and more money on supplements and spin their wheels with ineffective training that gets them nowhere.

They'll keep searching for the 'magic pill' technique that will get them lean, ripped and strong all the while ignoring the real answer -- hard work.

(I hope that made sense. It's late and I'm in a half awake/half asleep zombie like state.)

Edit - Also, Ross Enamait is a badass.

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twofold

Member
Made perfect sense, I'll just never be able to wrap my mind around that silly mindset.

Well, there's two ways to look at it.

One is to assume that people are lazy and don't want to put in any effort.

The other is that we're evolutionarily designed to expend as little energy as possible when working towards our goals meaning we're designed to search out the magic pill that will deliver results with as little effort as possible. Marketing, obviously, plays off of this.

Personally, I subscribe to the second theory. I'm a marketer by trade and I know first hand the power that words hold (pick up a book called Ca$hvertising by Drew Eric Whitman; download a PDF copy if you don't want to buy it - it contains literally dozens of ways to exploit emotional triggers to get people to do what you want them to do - super interesting stuff). It's possible to break through marketing's hold but it requires more willpower than most have.

Now, willpower is an interesting thing. Studies have found that we all have limited amounts of willpower but some have more than others. I imagine the people who succeed in fitness (or business, or whatever) have more willpower available to them than those who don't.

I used to get a little depressed about it but I've come to accept it now. I'll help people who ask for my help or advice but I won't get annoyed if they ignore it. It is what it is.

(Edit - I should probably add that most of my experience here is in the business world. I've probably given about 70-80 people advice on how to start their own online business and maybe 1 has actually followed through with it. I was lucky coming into this fitness thing because I was able to take my experiences with business and apply it to this. It's interesting how the principles are quite similar.)
 

Dash27

Member
I'll never understand it. People come in who can barely bench 100lbs for reps, or squat correctly with even the bar by itself, but they're spending their time and energy concerning themselves with timing of meals or what supplements to be using, or hitting exact macros.

Yes and adding weight to lifts they are already struggling with and doing wrong is another big one. We all have egos and it sucks when you plateau. I know I need to hear stuff like that from time to time to keep myself in check.
 

Petrie

Banned
Yes and adding weight to lifts they are already struggling with and doing wrong is another big one. We all have egos and it sucks when you plateau. I know I need to hear stuff like that from time to time to keep myself in check.

Don't get me started on scrawny guys wasting time at the gym curling 40lb dumbbells because their pride won't let them do proper weight.

We all have our pride, but I don't get people who can't put it aside for results.
 

DeadNames

Banned
Don't get me started on scrawny guys wasting time at the gym curling 40lb dumbbells because their pride won't let them do proper weight.

We all have our pride, but I don't get people who can't put it aside for results.

Is there anything wrong with dumbbell curls? I see people curse them for doing them while they seem to be pretty effective... Wondering if I should incorporate them into my workout so I can get some bicep power for swimming.
 

Petrie

Banned
Is there anything wrong with dumbbell curls? I see people curse them for doing them while they seem to be pretty effective... Wondering if I should incorporate them into my workout so I can get some bicep power for swimming.

Not at all. What's wrong is guys using their whole body to curl 40lb dumbbells they can barely lift because they'd be embarrassed to curl the 15lb ones they an handle.
 

Dash27

Member
I guess they just don't want themselves looking weak/inexperienced.

like me :(

Honestly nobody really cares or notices. I wouldnt sweat being weak or inexperienced. You get more respect for doing it right. Some of the scrawniest guys at my gym made the most impressive gains. They still dont move huge weights but compared to when they started the difference is striking.
 

Noema

Member
All they do is look weaker and even less experienced though, which is the funny part of it all.

Yeah, I have more respect for a dude squatting 95lb with proper form to depth than for a jackass 1/64th squatting 405lb, grunting and stomping so that everyone sees him.
 

DeadNames

Banned
Honestly nobody really cares or notices. I wouldnt sweat being weak or inexperienced. You get more respect for doing it right. Some of the scrawniest guys at my gym made the most impressive gains. They still dont move huge weights but compared to when they started the difference is striking.


Half of it is form too. I've watched a handful of form videos and am still quite nervous about my form.
 

Dash27

Member
Understandable but really there is no substitute for experience. You get to have a lot of "ah ha" moments when things click. If you dont do it though watching the videos are less helpful.

Start with weight you can easily handle and get comfortable with the lift, even if it's just the empty bar. We were all there at one point.
 
Not at all. What's wrong is guys using their whole body to curl 40lb dumbbells they can barely lift because they'd be embarrassed to curl the 15lb ones they an handle.
This, saw a guy at Gold's curling 55 lb dumbbells by throwing the weight up. Dude's like a third my size, and I can only do maybe 2 clean reps with that weight. Get off it.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I'm doing 3 sets, 10 reps of push ups with my dick!

Bro, you only need 1, here, let me spot you.

EDIT: Sorry I thought I was posting the GayGAF thread.

Aren't you?

AREN'T YOU!?!

Did some HITT last night. About 2 miles of sprinting the straightaways and jogging (towards the end walking) the turns. Plus about a mile slow jog. Thighs are fine but my groin is sore as are my feet. Not the heel or toes but the area under arch. Is this normal?

I feel like a fucking psychic because I know exactly what's going to happen after this post.
 

Ranvier

Member
Did some HITT last night. About 2 miles of sprinting the straightaways and jogging (towards the end walking) the turns. Plus about a mile slow jog. Thighs are fine but my groin is sore as are my feet. Not the heel or toes but the area under arch. Is this normal?
 

balddemon

Banned
omg i love a girl that will squat and deadlift

i've been talking to this girl at my gym, and last week i helped with do some back stuff.
today she was doing legs so i had her squat and deadlift. god she is sexy, plus she actually does the lifts pretty well. she said she wants a bigger ass so i told her i think it's big enough (i actually love it) and then she said that was the white boy in me coming out haha. btw shes half black/white. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 

Cudder

Member
omg i love a girl that will squat and deadlift

i've been talking to this girl at my gym, and last week i helped with do some back stuff.
today she was doing legs so i had her squat and deadlift. god she is sexy, plus she actually does the lifts pretty well. she said she wants a bigger ass so i told her i think it's big enough (i actually love it) and then she said that was the white boy in me coming out haha. btw shes half black/white. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

get up in that
 

Tashi

343i Lead Esports Producer
omg i love a girl that will squat and deadlift

i've been talking to this girl at my gym, and last week i helped with do some back stuff.
today she was doing legs so i had her squat and deadlift. god she is sexy, plus she actually does the lifts pretty well. she said she wants a bigger ass so i told her i think it's big enough (i actually love it) and then she said that was the white boy in me coming out haha. btw shes half black/white. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Wow you're in there like swim wear bro.
 
Hey guys, I started working out back in august, started out skinny at 120 pounds annd am now 140. for a month and a half though my nipples have been very sore and i do fear i am suddenly developing gynecomastia. they are noticeably puffier and bigger. Ive never worked out before, could this be due to the extra testosterone? should i see a doctor or will it hopefully go away? thanks.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Hey guys, I started working out back in august, started out skinny at 120 pounds annd am now 140. for a month and a half though my nipples have been very sore and i do fear i am suddenly developing gynecomastia. they are noticeably puffier and bigger. Ive never worked out before, could this be due to the extra testosterone? should i see a doctor or will it hopefully go away? thanks.

What are you taking?
 
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