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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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What's everyone's diet like? I need to add more calories

I used to be extremely strict in my diet, now I just try and hit my macros, doesn't matter what I eat. Overall healthwise it may not be the best but it's much much easier and cheaper.

I eat a lot of pasta, sandwiches, chili, red meat, poultry and occasionally some seafood (would love to eat more seafood but it's soooo expensive).

Milk diet. Drink a gallon of milk a day.
Terrible advice for 99.9% of people. Unless you're already a fairly big guy and in the gym 2-3 hours a day 5+ days a week the only thing GOMAD is going to do is make you fat as fuck.

Every gram of fat you ingest past maintenance is converted directly into body fat. 1 gallon of whole milk has 128g of fat all by itself..... You do the math. The only reason people do GOMAD is because it's cheap and guaranteed to make you gain weight.
 

otapnam

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My wife signed us up for a Warrior Dash this summer. Anyone here run one? What can I expect?

I did the "gladiator run" last year which
Ive heard is similar.

Just be able to run and climb walls over and over again. The hill was alot bigger than i expected, nearly everyone walked it lol. But if you can clear 6-8 ft walls youll be ok
 

OG Kush

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If I did GOMAD i'd be farting the whole day, don't know how some people can do it. Also the whole fun of bulking is enjoying foods that you normally wouldn't eat or would eat in smaller amounts. But i guess if your tight for money, then GOMAD is the way to go.
 

Mully

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Milk diet was a joke. One of the many "Bro" things in 5/3/1 Book. I love the program, but there's a lot of cynicism to be had.
 
I like the idea of GOMAD. I don't see anything wrong with consuming more milk but yes, drinking a gallon a day can be going a bit overboard. But if you can handle the negative consequences, go for it.
 
I like the idea of GOMAD. I don't see anything wrong with consuming more milk but yes, drinking a gallon a day can be going a bit overboard. But if you can handle the negative consequences, go for it.

If you're eating like a 2000-2500 calorie diet and then jumping straight to GOMAD then yes, it's very bad. A gallon of Milk is ~2350 calories by itself, a very large portion of it being from fat.

In addition to a normal diet (2000 calories, ~50g fat) that would put you at 4350 calories and 178g of fat per day which is WAY too much for 99.9% of people.

People suggest that relative noobs go way overboard when bulking. The average person doesn't need anywhere even CLOSE to 4,000 calories a day to put on a few pounds of muscle. If you did maybe HALF a gallon a day, you'd save money, put on less fat, and the same amount of muscle.
 

grumble

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Milk diet was a joke. One of the many "Bro" things in 5/3/1 Book. I love the program, but there's a lot of cynicism to be had.

Milk diet works if you are underweight and looking to rapidly gain muscle. It's the best thing bar none for newbies. A degree of independent thought is required though; you probably do not need 6k/day, but you might need 4k, and milk is a cheap, easy and nutritious way to bump them up. Maybe a half gallon will do it for some, and others might need none at all. I'd try to incorporate some into my diet though...
 

Dash27

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My wife signed us up for a Warrior Dash this summer. Anyone here run one? What can I expect?

I did Spartan Race but I think they are all similar. I'd say get your endurance up mostly. We ran up hill quite a bit, they had it at a ski slope so basically climbing small mountains but not too terrible. Strength wise it was nothing difficult. I think the hardest part was carrying a heavy sand bag up a big, steep hill. That sucked. Oh and crawling under barbed wire which was just annoying more than physically taxing.

Expect to get wet and full of mud.
 
What's everyone's diet like? I need to add more calories
Look into dried sausage. I've some that have 27 grams of protein, 47 grams of fat, 1 gram of carbs and 535 calories per 100 gram. It adds up quickly.

Alternatively, drink 4 proteinshakes with 250ml of milk each day. That should add another 100 gram of protein and a bunch of calories to your diet.

Of course it all depends on your goals. if you simply want to bulk quick and dirty and arent that concerned with macro's just eat everything you can find.
 

JB1981

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Herniated disk when I was 18 (6 years ago). I had surgery on it about 9 months later, rehabbed back to pre-injury form and haven't really had issues since (2 times I've aggrevated the scar tissue, rested for about 4-6 weeks and fully recovered).

Flexibility anywhere isn't helpful to healthy or injured backs, or just lower back flexibility? I don't think I do any targeted lower back flexibility work (other than some PT during the 2 aforementioned recovery periods). It's been mainly hips, glutes and hamstrings.

Any recommendations on where to start with McGill?

I have a herniated disc at L5-S1. It's a bitch of an injury. I had the flu last week and a bad cough. I coughed so hard that I completely fucked up my low back again. I've been in pain now almost a week. This from a 3 year old injury.
 

ezrarh

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I do bent over rows in the squat rack...

I don't think anybody complains about that or military press. Unless there's a spare platform available (although most gyms don't have that).

On an unrelated note, I saw a guy do back shoulder presses with 315 lbs last night. He used his legs to help get it up but still, that was impressive. Guy was huge. Although, from what I've read, back shoulder presses should be avoided? I don't do them but aren't stuff like that and lat pull downs behind your neck suppose to be bad for the joints?
 

MjFrancis

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I did the "gladiator run" last year which
Ive heard is similar.

Just be able to run and climb walls over and over again. The hill was alot bigger than i expected, nearly everyone walked it lol. But if you can clear 6-8 ft walls youll be ok

I did Spartan Race but I think they are all similar. I'd say get your endurance up mostly. We ran up hill quite a bit, they had it at a ski slope so basically climbing small mountains but not too terrible. Strength wise it was nothing difficult. I think the hardest part was carrying a heavy sand bag up a big, steep hill. That sucked. Oh and crawling under barbed wire which was just annoying more than physically taxing.

Expect to get wet and full of mud.
The shorter races do sound a bit similar. Getting muddy was about all I've expected, too.

I'd really like to participate in a strongman event eventually. I've researched it a bit and found that a) thank goodness for weight classes and b) I still need to get stronger. I'll try to spectate at an event or two this year and see what I have to do in the months (or years) to come. There isn't a codified set of movements for any given strongman event, which makes it a little harder to train for, but I figure the stronger I am the less that matters. Hell, I might even sign up for an event anyways. Even if I'm last at least I'll know where I stand and what I have to improve.

Ultimately, I've been itching to compete in something. I'm thinking it will give me more of a milestone to shoot for and more accountability for my training.
 

Veezy

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Before people shit on GOMAD, understand where GOMAD actually came from. To quote Chaos and Pain (NSFW, mostly) because I'm too lazy to type it up myself....


TLDR: GOMAD was based on raw, unpasteurized, milk. Pasteurized milk removes many enzimes and hormones but also happens to be a bit unsafe in certain circumstances. So, unless you're under 25, really underweight, and are on a six day a week strength and conditioning program, and plan on not eating much real food because you can't shove it in your mouth, don't do it. And, no, you can't switch to skim/1%/2% because the fats are part of the purpose of GOMAD.


Building on the belief that raw milk is the stuff of greatness, a writer for Strength and Health, John McCallum, penned articles touting raw milk as the way to grow (later compiled into the book The Complete Keys to Progress. Randall J. Strossen, editor of that book, took that idea a step further, and suggested that everyone drink a gallon of milk a day and do his 20 rep squat program. It's my understanding that Strossen merely repackaged McCallum's ideas about milk and squats, which would make sense, as it was still legal to produce and transport raw milk in the US in 1965 (when McCallum penned the book). In retrospect, I'd imagine the fact that Pat Casey (the first guy to bench 600 lbs raw) and Doug Hepburn (the first guy to bench 500 raw) drank 6 quarts of milk a day factored into the belief that a gallon of milk a day is the way to super-strength as well, as it really drove home McCallum's suppositions.


No matter who invented it or why it became so popular, the adoption of that diet in this century is fucking ridiculous for a variety of reasons, starting with the fact that it's impossible to purchase raw milk easily in the US, and pasteurized and homogenized milk borders on indigestible for most people. Whereas raw milk merely ferments in your intestines (which actually makes it better for you), pasteurized milk putrefies. (Bieler, 211) Additionally, pasteurized milk is shown to be among the top three food allergies, and has symptoms ranging from ear infection and bad breath to asthma, admonial cramping, diarrhea, croup, and asthma, even in people who are lactose tolerant.(Audette, 58) Throw into the mix the fact that even skim milk contains 205g of sugar per gallon (and has a higher GI than fatty milks), and you've got a fucking recipe for disaster. Thus, in straining the shit out of your digestive system, you're getting a paltry 145g of protein for your efforts, not all of which will be digested, due to the fact that the fat molecules in homogenized milk are broken down into smaller parts and become a stealth delivery system for the proteins that puts them directly into your bloodstream, causing allergies. Pasteurization takes care of the rest, killing all of the enzymes that would aid in the digestion of this chemical monstrosity, putting the final cards in place to facilitate the transformation of milk from a benevolent Dr. Jekyll into a slavering, soul-rending, baby-raping, eviscerating horrorshow of a Mr. Hyde. At best, it's a quick way to get fat as shit, in my opinion, unless you swing a sledge all day long at work, or you've got the most freakish metabolism of all time, and at worst, you can pretty much wreck every one of your body's internal systems with GOMAD.
 

Wolfe

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I've been drinking 3/4 to a full gallon of whole milk a day for the past few months (not intentionally, I drink a lot of milk to begin with, always have, just now with the protein shakes and eating more in general it's ramped up a bit) and I've put on nearly 20 lbs since October.

I know it doesn't work for everyone but it definitely has it's uses :p
 

Mr.City

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Cheap and easy but you may put on a lot of unwanted fat.

Ramp up if you're bulking. Don't just do GOMAD.

And the same old argument again. The guys who fuck up GOMAD don't pay attention to body composition until it's too late, and then the sob stories begin about the evil GOMAD.
 

Veezy

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I've been drinking 3/4 to a full gallon of whole milk a day for the past few months (not intentionally, I drink a lot of milk to begin with, always have, just now with the protein shakes and eating more in general it's ramped up a bit) and I've put on nearly 20 lbs since October.

I know it doesn't work for everyone but it definitely has it's uses :p

There's too many questions to gauge if it's the milk or not though:

1. Is your diet consistent on macronutrients, daily?
2. Is your programming consistent week after week?
3. Are you on any supplements?
4. Do you engage in any sort of timing with your food?
5. What was your BF% when you started and what is it now?
etc.

There's just no reason to do it in today's modern society. Shit, if you want quick and cheap protein you can cram down that's better for you than a gallon of milk, go buy a few hamburgers from McDonald's, throw out the buns, get them with zero condiments, and slam the meat down. You'll get more protein for the calories and less carbs. And you'll shit easier.

If it works for you, go for it. Factually, however, it's not the best idea and there are better ways to go about bulking.

And the same old argument again. The guys who fuck up GOMAD don't pay attention to body composition until it's too late, and then the sob stories begin about the evil GOMAD.

GOMAD works, but it's not optimal. There are better ways to intake more calories and protein than drinking a gallon of milk each day and you'll even be able to maintain normal bowel movements.
 
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I have a herniated disc at L5-S1. It's a bitch of an injury. I had the flu last week and a bad cough. I coughed so hard that I completely fucked up my low back again. I've been in pain now almost a week. This from a 3 year old injury.

That's where mine was too, before they removed the disc. Like I said before, it's only bothered me twice since and it's been scar tissue-related, but it does put me at risk to re-injure my back more easily in a more serious way, which is why I need to be cautious and build up strength around it.

Interestingly, I've never had issues with deadlifts. Both times I aggravated the scar tissue was due to squatting, and not even with that much weight. Must be a form thing.

How did you have yours treated? Sounds like PT-only, maybe? I know that a good percentage of people are able to recover quite well without surgery. I had a particularly nasty case.
 

JB1981

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I just let it heal by taking time off and getting chiropractic adjustments. There was a period after the injury where I was squatting 3x week without much of a problem. I got to about 260lbs and the pain returned. Dead lifts seem to severely affect the area but not so much squats. I bet I have a lot of scar tissue that could be removed. I never went to a surgeon, just had the chiro order me an MRI. Maybe I should visit an actual orthopedic
 
Broke spine coughing

Spine removed

Shit, I came in here to bitch about hurting my shoulder/rotator cuff and the doctor telling me to take 4-6 weeks off from upper body but damn.

If you guys think scar tissue's the problem maybe try a foam rolling and massage program for a while? Better than going under the knife. And JB1981 maybe you should try a trap bar or sumo stance for deadlifts instead since they require less mobility: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/deadlifts_which_type_is_best_for_you
 
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I just let it heal by taking time off and getting chiropractic adjustments. There was a period after the injury where I was squatting 3x week without much of a problem. I got to about 260lbs and the pain returned. Dead lifts seem to severely affect the area but not so much squats. I bet I have a lot of scar tissue that could be removed. I never went to a surgeon, just had the chiro order me an MRI. Maybe I should visit an actual orthopedic

So does that mean you still have disc tissue pressing against or close to your nerve, it's just more manageable due to posture/strength/healing/etc keeping the disk away from it?

By getting surgery I basically had the disc removed (or the part bulging against the nerve, anyway), leaving scar tissue but removing the source of nerve pain.

If you guys think scar tissue's the problem maybe try a foam rolling and massage program for a while? Better than going under the knife. And JB1981 maybe you should try a trap bar or sumo stance for deadlifts instead since they require less mobility: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/deadlifts_which_type_is_best_for_you

I only went under the knife as a last resort. I was young (18) so I could recover really well and quickly, I'd tried extensive PT, massages, etc with little to no effect, and had pretty bad symptoms (constant pain down the leg when seated, couldn't tie my own shoes, jump, run or jog, etc). My dad is a surgeon and my mom a nurse, so we have good relationships with doctors in the area where I grew up. Ultimately I trusted their advice to get surgery, and it luckily ended up working out.

Definitely not for everyone.
 

JB1981

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Shit, I came in here to bitch about hurting my shoulder/rotator cuff and the doctor telling me to take 4-6 weeks off from upper body but damn.

If you guys think scar tissue's the problem maybe try a foam rolling and massage program for a while? Better than going under the knife. And JB1981 maybe you should try a trap bar or sumo stance for deadlifts instead since they require less mobility: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/deadlifts_which_type_is_best_for_you

The sumo stance does feel a bit better for me. Did some sumo deadlift high pulls when I did crossfit and they weren't too bad. I did very light weight though
 

JB1981

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So does that mean you still have disc tissue pressing against or close to your nerve, it's just more manageable due to posture/strength/healing/etc keeping the disk away from it?

By getting surgery I basically had the disc removed (or the part bulging against the nerve, anyway), leaving scar tissue but removing the source of nerve pain.

I believe the pain is caused by the disc pinching the nerve? I am not sure though. I didn't know that they actually remove the disc itself in some cases. Did you have a spinal fusion ?
 

Doodis

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I do bent over rows in the squat rack...

I do too. What's annoying is people doing work in the squat rack that can be done literally anywhere else in the gym. On Tuesday, I had to wait for two guys to finish doing pullups in the squat rack, when they could have been done in a handful of other spots in the gym.
 

this_guy

Member
I thought it was a just a joke but I actually did spot someone doing curls in the squat rack earlier in the week. Hopefully, I'm not being one of those people.

I hate seeing people doing curls in the squat rack. But there's something else that's even worse: people doing reverse wrist curls in the squat rack.
 

Zoe

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I do too. What's annoying is people doing work in the squat rack that can be done literally anywhere else in the gym. On Tuesday, I had to wait for two guys to finish doing pullups in the squat rack, when they could have been done in a handful of other spots in the gym.

At least you can ask them to move. On Monday both the racks were taken up by people alternating bar/non-bar exercises. One was a girl alternating overhead presses (or maybe upright row) with the bar and bent-over rear delts with dumbbells. Can't remember what the guy was doing, but after each bar set he'd walk to the other side of the weight area to use a pulling machine.
 
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Deleted member 12837

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I believe the pain is caused by the disc pinching the nerve? I am not sure though. I didn't know that they actually remove the disc itself in some cases. Did you have a spinal fusion ?

They didn't need to remove the entire disc so a fusion wasn't required. They only removed the part pinching the nerve.
 

DatDude

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Fitness gaf, what exactly do I need to do to achieve a body like this:

amell.jpg
 

SeanR1221

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Yeah, I think it's time to go clothes shopping some more. A lot of my mediums are tight around my chest and it just looks like I'm trying to hard.
 

Domino Theory

Crystal Dynamics
What do you guys think of mixing up rep and weight ranges for maximum muscle gains/hypertrophy compared to strictly doing 3x8-12 for every single exercise?

I'm thinking of having my Squat, Bench, and Deadlift be 3x1-5 while all my other lifts at 3x8-12 (right now, they're all at 3x8-12)
 
JB1981 and 404Ender:

You two are my back injury bretheren. Was sick last week and still dealing with stuff. Also had a coughing fit that aggravated my back to no end. L5-S1 bulge as well. 5mm from what I was told.

Went to PT for 4 months. Soft tissue work on lowback and posterior chain helped immensely along with tweaks to posture and stretches. Definitely some tightness still, but it's a world apart from how I was initially. I have been cleared to do weight lifting again, and I am optimistic, but seeing how your pain came back JB1981 after you upped the weight on squats makes me a little scared.'

Hoping to post more in this thread as the year progresses. My numbers are complete dogshit at the moment. ha
 

balddemon

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Got stuck working friday night for once, and wtf, there are actually people working out?! Its never been busy on a friday night since I've worked out here starting last february. Dem new years resolutionists...
 

sphinx

the piano man
Fitness gaf, what exactly do I need to do to achieve a body like this:

incidentally and a bit superficial but it's friday so whatever:

do you guys think a truly muscled guy can look very well or great with a hairy chest? I understand guys shave for several purposes, competing, having a better (easier?) look at progress, etc, but are there cases of great physiques with hairy chest?

in my gym, every single guy with muscles is either naturally hairless or completely shaved from the neck to feet.
 

SeanR1221

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What are your stats? When your lats get big and are visible from the front it's worse

I haven't measured in a while to be honest, but I know my shoulders, back and chest have exploded from when I started. Tried on some larges. They fit much nicer on my upperbody but then of course the arm holes are bigger making my arms look smaller :p

Guess that just means time to get bigger arms!

Edit: the only thing that concerns me is my waist size. I don't mind bigger shoulders, chest, back, arms obviously but my waist has gotten bigger. My belt is on a different loop now. Is this from all the squatting and deadlifting? Could muscle be pushing fat out from my core? Or am I just storing weight in my stomach over other areas? Sorry to sound crazy.
 
incidentally and a bit superficial but it's friday so whatever:

do you guys think a truly muscled guy can look very well or great with a hairy chest? I understand guys shave for several purposes, competing, having a better (easier?) look at progress, etc, but are there cases of great physiques with hairy chest?

in my gym, every single guy with muscles is either naturally hairless or completely shaved from the neck to feet.
*waves*
 

DatDude

Banned
incidentally and a bit superficial but it's friday so whatever:

do you guys think a truly muscled guy can look very well or great with a hairy chest? I understand guys shave for several purposes, competing, having a better (easier?) look at progress, etc, but are there cases of great physiques with hairy chest?

in my gym, every single guy with muscles is either naturally hairless or completely shaved from the neck to feet.

Depends on how much hair we are talking about (IMO)
 

grumble

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incidentally and a bit superficial but it's friday so whatever:

do you guys think a truly muscled guy can look very well or great with a hairy chest? I understand guys shave for several purposes, competing, having a better (easier?) look at progress, etc, but are there cases of great physiques with hairy chest?

in my gym, every single guy with muscles is either naturally hairless or completely shaved from the neck to feet.

Dude if you're not comfortable with having a hairy chest and don't want to shave it, just get an electric shaver with an attachment and trim it.
 
If you aren't competing, naturally smooth, or straight then keep it. Hairy is good, sexy, and manly. Don't shave ever.

I think built guys with hair are a gazillions times sexier than smooth guys, but that's just me and not really for this thread.
 
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