CliqWriter
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I don't quite think so. I'm not so sure I know what that means.
I know it's only on preacher curl. I can perform standing db curl,
cable curl, and hammer curls just fine.
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I don't quite think so. I'm not so sure I know what that means.
I know it's only on preacher curl. I can perform standing db curl,
cable curl, and hammer curls just fine.
Maybe my wrists were over the bar in an exaggerated manner. Here's what Starting Strength has to say about it as Mr. Rippetoe demonstrates with his own hairy arms.
(Sorry, I just straight up took a screen shot of the page)
So I've finally got myself on a regular schedule of working out. I've always been one to do a week and then the next week only workout once or twice and after that it just falls off my radar. It's even worse because I have a decent setup right in my damn basement!
Anyway, I've noticed that bench pressing has caused a slight pain in my left shoulder. I would rate it at maybe a 1.5-2 when actually benching and a 1 or less the next day or so after. I'm hoping since it's so mild that it isn't anything serious, but I want to make sure I don't push it further into damage.
Here is a picture from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray521.png
From what I can deduce I believe it is my "Infra Spinatus" or maybe "Supra Spinatus" in that picture. I can feel it mostly when my left arm is pulled back (like when the bar is touching my chest).
Is this common? Should I be worried/stick to pushups for a while? I'm wondering if it is just because I haven't benched in a while and it is just getting used to it but it being in only one shoulder worries me.
Anyway, I've noticed that bench pressing has caused a slight pain in my left shoulder. I would rate it at maybe a 1.5-2 when actually benching and a 1 or less the next day or so after. I'm hoping since it's so mild that it isn't anything serious, but I want to make sure I don't push it further into damage.
Here is a picture from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray521.png
From what I can deduce I believe it is my "Infra Spinatus" or maybe "Supra Spinatus" in that picture. I can feel it mostly when my left arm is pulled back (like when the bar is touching my chest).
Is this common? Should I be worried/stick to pushups for a while? I'm wondering if it is just because I haven't benched in a while and it is just getting used to it but it being in only one shoulder worries me.
TheDarkStark
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lol are there really people out there who do every set to failure? Jesus, talk about completely destroying your workout.
You'll be so mentally and physically drained after a few lifts that you're not going to be able to move by the end.
Wolfe
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Yeah I agree, just didn't want the guy to think he was doing it the wrong way and end up putting his wrists under the bar (think of revving a motorcycle trottle).
I think Layne Norton probably knows what he's doing given his credentials. But like Alienshogun said, most gymgoers just aren't physically ready for that kind of routine..
HollovVpo1nt
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Think I'll hit the gym and work on front rack and wrist mobility. Apply the mobilityone techniques. My front rack mobility is horrible as it is now.
I believe it really varies on the individual, however you want to be careful going with JP's word over Rippetoe's. Pain doesn't have the same amount of experience as Rippetoe does when it comes to coaching. A few of his cues are responses and corrections to over-eggagatred Rippetoe cues.
theytookourjobz
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L0st Id3ntity
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Lol makes my cleans look like they are in super slow motion.
entremet
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Yeah. After thinking about it and I'm just gonna stick to my current routine. I want to hit some body composition and strength goals before trying such an advanced routine.
Training is a marathon not a sprint. I just get impatient.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Today I go for a new PR of 415x10 for deadlift. I believe that will push my estimated 1rm to 555.
Jesus. How much do you weigh ?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
230, bout to head out. Did 405 last cycle for 10, but I'm not feeling too well this morning.
That's awesome.
Puts my 3x3 at 150kg today in perspective...
We will see, haven't done it yet.
IronBubbles
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That's sick if you get it. Good luck!
That's fucking badass.
I'm going for 380x10 today, on Week 2, Cycle 2 of 531. I'm feeling pretty nervous.
Heh, I'm drinking my coffee and I feel I'm sweating bullets just thinking about it.
Man, I never get that high above my goal reps at the end of cycle on DL, making me feel weak as hell boys!
Hopefully my grip won't be an issue! It's definitely my weak point on deadlifts. I've been doing RDLs with a fat barbell in hopes they help.
Does anyone have other juicy tips on improving grip strength?
I would ideally want him to go about an inch deeper, just so he can have a better stretch reflex out of the bottom. It's also sorta hard to tell where his leg ends and the short starts, heh.
That's for low bar squats though. You are doing high bar. (unless you switched recently?)
Are you doing SS by the way? Because if you are, you must do low bar. It's not really a matter of preference.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with high bar squats. They are awesome. But they are also different. There's a reason why Rippetoe picked low bar for SS: because no other exercise recruits more muscle mass through a longer Range of Motion, and no other exercise trains the posterior chain more effectively.
IronBubbles
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What? Even Rippetoe says you can do high-bar on SS if you've decided you want to for any sort of reason.
Edit: I agree though about low-bar being superior for most novices just looking to get stronger/bigger.
He says it's an acceptable substitute if doing low bar is impossible / undesirable due to shoulder or elbow injuries IIRC (on the 3rd edition, I haven't looked at the second edition in a while), but in general it's not a matter of personal preference. In fact whenever the book refers to "the Squat", it refers exclusively to the low bar version.
IMO, he should switch as soon as possible because it'll make adapting to the different position easier. When I started out (doing Stronglifts, lol) I did high bar because I didn't even realize there was a difference. I switched several months later and it took me a while to relearn everything.
Also, Starting Strength= SS = SS
No wonder we have such a Nazi-like attitude about it!
Over exaggerated may not be the correct word for it. JP explains the squat in a few pages with a focus on the lifter being comfortable but getting the lift right ASAP. Rip does it in, like, fifty leading to a lot of mass confusion with people worried that the bar is two inches of the optimal part of their back or can the grab the bar or is the toe angle correct etc. when, in reality, for most people it doesn't matter too hugely if you're getting the basics.
Rip, from a detail oriented and biomechanical standpoint, is fantastic and infinitely superior to JP. I've just begun to lean more towards being broader with explaining lifts than saying "just read SS" because people get bogged down in the details and I feel JP has better clear cut explanations.
To each their own, however.
EDIT: Prime example. Not to offend anybody but....
I'm simply not experienced enough to really talk about how much it matters, but in the end, I guess a squat is a squat. Both get you strong. Just do them often and do them deep.
Here's a well written article by Justin on more anatomical differences between the two:
http://70sbig.com/blog/2012/01/low-bar-vs-high-bar-squatting/
IronBubbles
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Correct and I agree. If you're gonna low-bar do it immediately before the vertical movement pattern is ingrained too much. I went the other way (from low-bar to high-bar) and it cost some time too (as well as weight on the bar).
Here is the page from SS3 on high-bar for anyone interested:
Yes, and there's a whole list of differences.
BUT!!! to an actual, real deal novice, who's never squatted before, the difference is negligible. To an advance trainee, hell yea you can tell a difference. But, if you're only squatting a plate or two, I'm confident just getting in there and doing the movement will suffice.
My fear always is, and I've dealt with this myself when dealing with clients and, well myself, is the bar ends up too low because of a focus on making sure it isn't too high. Which is a whole mess of other problems. It's why I feel grabbing the bar works, so long as your wrists are straight than bent ta fuck, because going to extreme on either end is difficult if you've wrapped your thumb in a way to hold it in place.
It matters, but not so much that people should say "fuck it" if they can't get it in the exact right spot (or, if they're so underdeveloped that the "shelf" for the bar doesn't really exist.)
To quote Justin:
Really, really, really heavy Croc rows. Do 'em both with straps and without. Your back, traps, and grip will go through the roof.
Are you using hook grip or reverse grip or ?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Lol. I did it. Even threw in an extra one to dominate it. 415x11. Now to follow up with 10 sets of 435.
Dayum. That's badass.
Somehow this makes me even more nervous.
That's what Wendler recommends. Unfortunately my Gym doesn't have heavy enough Dumbbells for Kroc Rows. I think they go up to like 65lb.
Warm up sets and first 2 531 sets with DOH.
Mixed grip with a supinated right hand (I'm left-handed) for the final Workset. Hook grip is like a North Korean POW torture device.
velociraptor
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How does one beat a 'plateau' at weighted chin ups?
I started at bodyweight, adding 2.5kg each week, averaging 10 reps. Now at 10kg. Can only manage 7/8 reps. My target is to do 10 weighted chinups. Or are decreases in rep expected when I increase the weight?
I started at bodyweight, adding 2.5kg each week, averaging 10 reps. Now at 10kg. Can only manage 7/8 reps. My target is to do 10 weighted chinups. Or are decreases in rep expected when I increase the weight?
Hold at the top and focus on the negatives more.
ain't nothin but a peanut
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Finished. 415x11 then 10 singles of 435 with a long pause at the top. Now to get some hamburgers.
Just blend some Wendy's baconators. I call it the shakeanator.
Doing chipotle on Saturday. Can't wait.
1/2 chicken, 1/2 steak, brown rice, fajita vegetables, both beans,
Doing chipotle on Saturday. Can't wait.
1/2 chicken, 1/2 steak, brown rice, fajita vegetables, both beans,
So, question. Finishing up the end of this little encore bulking phase and planning on trying to get leaner, starting March 1st until May. I'm probably around 17% BF if I had to guess based on pictures. I'd like to try this out before I find a real no-frills boss gym during the summer and go right back to heavy lifting.
The last time I went on a hardcore, soul-and-abs-searching quest to get shredded, I went from 175 to 160 back in college. 2000-2200 calories, plenty of protein (the usual gram per pound), half hour of cardio + lifting. Lost too much mass, no noticeable increase in definition anywhere except my upper back. Ever since then I've said fuck that noise and just maintained or added size.
Welp, if that caloric intake was too little starting at 175, the hell do I need starting from 215-220?
The last time I went on a hardcore, soul-and-abs-searching quest to get shredded, I went from 175 to 160 back in college. 2000-2200 calories, plenty of protein (the usual gram per pound), half hour of cardio + lifting. Lost too much mass, no noticeable increase in definition anywhere except my upper back. Ever since then I've said fuck that noise and just maintained or added size.
Welp, if that caloric intake was too little starting at 175, the hell do I need starting from 215-220?
Damn, nice. I can only get 415 x 3.
The other day I got triple barbacoa plus guacamole. They accidently charged the lady in front of me for it and when they figured it out told her. She's like I bought your dinner. I was like really? Let me give you the money and she wouldn't take it. 15 dollars saved. Awwwwwwyeahhhh.
BTW...be wary of any friend who asks for a favor of helping you move "a few things" out of his basement.
One of them happened to be a 1960s Frigidaire refrigerator. I'm fairly certain these things are twice as heavy as modern day appliances. We loaded it up on a dolly and were gassed after 8 steps. Forearms, quads/hammies, calves, and lower back were all on fire for most of the week.
In hindsight it was stupid to not use a weight belt to do this.
One of them happened to be a 1960s Frigidaire refrigerator. I'm fairly certain these things are twice as heavy as modern day appliances. We loaded it up on a dolly and were gassed after 8 steps. Forearms, quads/hammies, calves, and lower back were all on fire for most of the week.
In hindsight it was stupid to not use a weight belt to do this.
Special K? You mean Purple K?
Imo, I'd stick with tried and true monohydrate, all these variants including kre-alkalyn don't have the scientific studies to back up their claims
FallingEdge
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gj Alien.
And my back neglect has gone far enough. I don't even want to do Smolov Jr any more =/
And my back neglect has gone far enough. I don't even want to do Smolov Jr any more =/
TheDarkStark
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You misunderstand. In that article he talks about how not going to failure on every set is a good thing because it will tire you out.
And I'm saying I most certainly agree with that, to the point that I can't believe there are actually people out there taking every set to failure...
Sets to failure is a great tool, especially towards the end of your workout, but they shouldn't be overused.
I recall reading about a workout where you do one set of your exercise, to failure. I forget what rep range you're supposed to aim for, but the whole workout is a just that-1 set to failure.
also, noema is looking pretty beastly. you should post that picture in the post your pics thread. people will be ridin your dick haha.
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