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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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agrajag

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So I can't for the life of me find any 2.5lbs plates at my gym. They're supposed to be there, as there are spaces for them on the racks, but they're nowhere to be found! Is 10lbs too big of a jump to go up?
 

EviLore

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So I can't for the life of me find any 2.5lbs plates at my gym. They're supposed to be there, as there are spaces for them on the racks, but they're nowhere to be found! Is 10lbs too big of a jump to go up?

It's going to be if it's not already.
 

Cudder

Member
PR in bench today, 225 for 4 reps.

But I get a feeling it was just one of those days, I don't know if I can repeat it again next week.

And for the record I weigh 170lbs now, maybe it's because I have been holding back a bit on my runs, and giving my body more of a chance to recuperate.

Awesome man, good job. Don't worry about not being able to do the same next week. I get those days too where I just feel like a beast and just pump out reps, then next week I barely touch what I did the week before.

Although one tip I will give you, is to do at least 1-2 reps of bench at 225 next time you do it. You might feel week, but even doing one rep when you know you won't be able to pump out another 4 like you did the previous weeks helps tons. It kind of allows you to "remember" what the weight feels like.

If you were to drop your weight for a week or 2 and then try to get back up to doing 225lbs, it would be hard as shit and you probably wouldn't be able to do it.

So, in short, so at least one rep so you never lose that edge.
 

balddemon

Banned
So I can't for the life of me find any 2.5lbs plates at my gym. They're supposed to be there, as there are spaces for them on the racks, but they're nowhere to be found! Is 10lbs too big of a jump to go up?

depends on where you are, but probably not too big of a jump.
also depends on what lift - squat, deadlift, even power cleans, probably fine.
bench ohp, quite possibly too much.
 

BumRush

Member
Or just doing a proper full body routine since he's a beginner. Starting Strength, the OP routine or StrongLifts etc..

He shouldn't start a split routine at this point.

As long as he's planning to go 4 - 5 times a week, I'd still go with a split routine / cardio daily
 

y2dvd

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http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/of-whooshes-and-squishy-fat.html

I think every summer dieter here needs to read this article. It's pretty short and gives a good explanation of what happens with weight loss stalls and sudden changes in appearance and on the scale.



Who designed this routine?

Some folder at my work gym containing a program taken from Men's Fitness. I added in the running and stretching part myself but was following the beginner's guide for weight lifting.

The program is designed to be used for at least 6 months to a year.
Knew it was going to be a commitment. I'll try to stick with it.

First off, good luck...I'd start by replacing any bad foods you eat (processed sugars, white carbohydrates, fatty meats, etc.) with good ones (fruits / vegetables, whole grains, lean meats)...you'll see the gut shrink immediately. Don't decrease your calorie volume though, just improve your diet. Also, others have said it but that current workout won't get you the physique you're looking for. Try breaking up your body parts into days and really focus on each one separately.

Yeah, I'm really trying to work on the diet. I'm trying to drop soda; turned down a free can earlier today in fact. Eating a lot more fruits, but still eat junk food too often. Resisting is hard! It's something I hope to drop for the most part.
 

Petrie

Banned
Knew it was going to be a commitment. I'll try to stick with it.

Just don't get frustrated and quit if 2 months from now you aren't seeing huge gains yet, as the beginning is mostly about learning the lifts.

Also, ignore hot garbage like Men's Fitness.
 
So I'm reading creatine on a cut isnt a bad idea. Anyone do this?
Taking creatine at any time isn't a bad idea. It's one of the few products that safe and effective. On a cut it can help you maintain muscle mass and strength although you might bloat up a little bit on it. But who cares about a little water weight if you're shedding fat?
 

SeanR1221

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Taking creatine at any time isn't a bad idea. It's one of the few products that safe and effective. On a cut it can help you maintain muscle mass and strength although you might bloat up a little bit on it. But who cares about a little water weight if you're shedding fat?

That's what I figured. So load for 5 days then take it like 30 min pre workout after that?
 

Onemic

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Question about squats. I find when I do them I feel a serious pump in my lower back(to the point of feeling tight) now it does go away after I finish up my workout that inolve my lower back, but was just wondering if this is normal or just a case of improper form? I feel next to no tightness anywhere else on my body after doing squats, only my lower back.

Oh and for the op workout is it ok if I'm still attempting to learn how to do power cleans? Every time its power clean day, I always just use an empty barbell and work on the movements, since I can't put it all together yet. I don't think ill be able to do the whole thing at all until the end of the 3 months.
 

Mr.City

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Question about squats. I find when I do them I feel a serious pump in my lower back(to the point of feeling tight) now it does go away after I finish up my workout that inolve my lower back, but was just wondering if this is normal or just a case of improper form? I feel next to no tightness anywhere else on my body after doing squats, only my lower back.

Oh and for the op workout is it ok if I'm still attempting to learn how to do power cleans? Every time its power clean day, I always just use an empty barbell and work on the movements, since I can't put it all together yet. I don't think ill be able to do the whole thing at all until the end of the 3 months.

To answer your first question, it's probably a result of your back getting worked hard during the squat. That or you're letting yourself get loose at the bottom and your back is stiff. I can' tell from here, but it's probably the former.

And 3 months to learn a power clean? Dude,you can learn it in a few hours if you're reading the 3rd edition of Staring Strength. I'm pretty sure you can do it.
 
All right, Gaf, I've gone down from ~185-190 to 160 pounds from January-ish to about now on my own, but now I'm going to try and get more muscley.

I'm going to stick to the beginner's plan in the OP even though I'm in decent shape (I figure I can add more weight if I'm feeling saucy). I went on out to the gym tonight, so I'm not lying to you guys. I'm already sore from the workout, so I guess it did its thing.

Also, holy cow at a gallon of milk a day. I guess it makes sense if you're on a budget, but wow.
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Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Well, I'm not buying ON anymore. Shit went up about 8 for the 10lb bag. (It's 105 now)

Edit: Two twinlab 5lb tubs for 41 a piece isn't bad. That's on amazon right now.
 

Petrie

Banned
Well, I'm not buying ON anymore. Shit went up about 8 for the 10lb bag. (It's 105 now)

Edit: Two twinlab 5lb tubs for 41 a piece isn't bad. That's on amazon right now.

Jesus, I'm glad I switched to bulk ordering 50lbs at a time from True Nutrition. Fuck man.
 

Petrie

Banned
ugh, why is the price going up so much?

dumb =/

Its only going to keep going up. Too many products want Whey so they can add protein to stuff. Everything from Gatorade to Monster Energy to Snickers is marketting protein filled shit, and buying up all the Whey to make that happen.

Start buying in bulk.
 

balddemon

Banned
i've decided my goals do not include being shredded. i just want to be strong for my weight, not be a fat ass, and make the basketball team. thats it. those are my goals. couldn't give two shits about being cut right now.

well, unless it was easy and didn't require following a strict diet.
 

M_A_C

Member
i've decided my goals do not include being shredded. i just want to be strong for my weight, not be a fat ass, and make the basketball team. thats it. those are my goals. couldn't give two shits about being cut right now.

well, unless it was easy and didn't require following a strict diet.

Thats a good goal. It' easier to cut down after you have built up a lot of muscle than the reverse. Just don't go to crazy and get sloppy fat. I'm pretty much doing the same thing right now too.
 
I really can't see much progress being made this summer so I am just out to maintain my current lifts so I can explode again when school starts. Just too much fun to be had playing pickup games with friends and I unfortunately pull muscles or just tire myself out.
 

Onemic

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To answer your first question, it's probably a result of your back getting worked hard during the squat. That or you're letting yourself get loose at the bottom and your back is stiff. I can' tell from here, but it's probably the former.

And 3 months to learn a power clean? Dude,you can learn it in a few hours if you're reading the 3rd edition of Staring Strength. I'm pretty sure you can do it.

I'm trying but the part where you explode really messes me up, my arms go wild.
 

despire

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I'm currently deadlifting 300lbs but how often I should deadlift? I know that around this point once a week becomes the favorable timing but what about one and a half weeks?

My current routine is:

A
Squats
Bench
Kroc Row
Dips

B
Deadlift
Press
Chins

This has me squatting once or twice a week still but the problem is that every other week I'm deadlifting twice. If I'd alternate deads and power cleans there would be more time in between:


A
Squats
Bench
Kroc Row
Dips

B
Deadlift/Power Clean
Press
Chins

Is this okay or is the 1 1/2 weeks too much time in between exercises?
 

despire

Member
Despire, when I got to thy point, I dl'd on Friday and did light squats on Wednesday.

So heavy squats on monday, light squats on wednesday and deadlifts on friday?


Also I'd like help on how to improve my chin ups. I've been stuck in the 4-5 rep range for months now. I was able to do 9 in a row when I was at my lightest in February but after that it went downhill with my bulk and increased bodyweight. I'm now 82kg and was 72kg at my lightest. Yesterday I did 4, 4, 3, 3, 3 chin ups but it doesn't seem to be improving anywhere. Am I doing too little volume-wise?
 

Carbonox

Member
Hoping to break the 100lbs barrier with the OHP today. 5 sets of 3 for a PB. Not feeling any struggle so far as I've been progressing and have been handling it fine but to finally reach the 3 digits is a satisfying feeling.
 

MjFrancis

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Why Does Breakfast Make Me Hungry?
by Martin Berkhan

Trying to define post-breakfast hunger is an exercise in futility. It’s something you’ll instantly be able to relate to, because you have the same experience, or something that makes you wonder what the hell I’m talking about, because you simply don’t have that problem. I’m guessing most of my readers fall into the former category, so I won’t be spending much time on academic discourse in attempting to define the phenomenon beyond what I’ve already done. Simply put, some people get hungry, very hungry, and/or experience cravings of various magnitude shortly after eating breakfast in the morning.

Post-breakfast hunger is something that occurs more frequently, and more noticeably so, in fairly lean individuals. I’d estimate that it’s fairly common in the 12-14% range. As you close in on single digit body fat percentage, it becomes very common indeed - and a serious obstacle for many.

Gradually, as we get leaner, we become more insulin sensitive. Little by little, as insulin sensitivity goes up, we get hungrier faster and more annoyingly so after breakfast, until we start wondering why we’re starving a mere 1-2 hours after a decently sized meal.

In a sense, it’s funny that blood glucose regulation works better in the fasted state, relative to the aforementioned breakfast scenario. It’s understandable when you consider that in the fasted state, you have balance between input and output, which in this analogy would be glucose and insulin. Glucose input to the blood is low and is well maintained with a low level of insulin in an insulin sensitive person.

With breakfast, insulin output is disproportionate to the input (breakfast), due to cortisol. A mismatch that would otherwise not be present under different circumstances (i.e. the same meal eaten later in the day, with low cortisol, or by someone with lower insulin sensitivity).

All of this raises interesting questions regarding the role of the cortisol-insulin connection, or dare I say breakfast consumption, and adaptation (or absence thereof) in the role of human evolution and its consequences for modern man, with his modern meal patterns.
The quotes provide a half-assed summation of his essay, but if you fast and are interested in such phenomenon as feeling hungry after a meal, do yourself a favor and chew through the whole thing.

Also, the obligatory exclamation - Martin's back!!!
 

Eidan

Member
Long-time lurker. First time posting here.

Age: 27
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 191

Goal: Bigger arms. I want to be somewhere around 17 inches, currently sitting at 16-16.5, and not making much progress.

Current Training Schedule: Four days a week. Usually Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday.

Current Training Equipment Available: Regular gym.

Comments: I'm about to start my 6th cycle of 5/3/1. Shortly after my third cycle I decided to move from BBB to Wendler's bodybuilding variation. Like I said, right now my biggest concern are larger arms. Triceps and biceps get hit on the bench and OHP days respectively, but in terms of measurements I've been at 16-16.5 inches for months now. Any advice would be appreciated.
 
And heavy (normal) squats on Friday as well. If you want you could do light squats on Friday, I chose Wednesday because I Played basketball those nights.

Hmm i've been doing squats 3-4 days per week and deadlifts twice a week. I think i should probably cut back on this (especially since i'm trying to get some more HIIT into my routine).
 

kylej

Banned
Dear people who leave their dirty bandages or band-aids in the gym shower after they workout, you are disgusting pieces of shit. Third time this month I've stepped into a stall and saw a bloody bandaid resting on a little shelf in the shower. Ugh.
 

bro1

Banned
I'm starting to believe that overtraining is blown way out of proportion. I have several friends that complain that they are not making any gains and they think it's because they are training too much. However, when I work out with them I notice that they lack intensity. They don't push themselves to failure and they tend to eat like crap. Anybody else think overtraining is really a non-issue for most people?
 

y2dvd

Member
I took a bjj class this past Wednesday. I wanna work out today but I'm still pretty sore. Is it ok for me to work out or should I rest up some more?
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
I took a bjj class this past Wednesday. I wanna work out today but I'm still pretty sore. Is it ok for me to work out or should I rest up some more?

I suggest working out before BJJ class on the same day, if possible, because this sort of outcome is normal.
 

deadbeef

Member
I'm starting to believe that overtraining is blown way out of proportion. I have several friends that complain that they are not making any gains and they think it's because they are training too much. However, when I work out with them I notice that they lack intensity. They don't push themselves to failure and they tend to eat like crap. Anybody else think overtraining is really a non-issue for most people?

Another theory is most people don't know what working hard in the gym really is


Speaking of, I failed a PR for bench (280). Crap
But I did press it from the bottom pin with 225 on it with ease so that's good. Getting stronger at the bottom.
 

thomaser

Member
Anyone here a fan of foam rollers? I'm looking to purchase one but not sure where to get it.

I LOVE foam rolling :) It has done wonders for my legs. Squatting feels much better now than it did before starting to roll.

I use this one. It's quite a bit more expensive than the one you're looking at, but it will probably last much longer.
 

X-Frame

Member
Why Does Breakfast Make Me Hungry?
by Martin Berkhan

The quotes provide a half-assed summation of his essay, but if you fast and are interested in such phenomenon as feeling hungry after a meal, do yourself a favor and chew through the whole thing.

Also, the obligatory exclamation - Martin's back!!!

I know I was so excited when I saw a new article from him in my Google Reader feed. I haven't gotten around to read it yet, I will soon though.
 
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