Netherscourge
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So they tried to extort Trump.
And he obliged.
This is all sorts of fucked up.
And he obliged.
This is all sorts of fucked up.
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FL AG asked Trump for donation to drop fraud case
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Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Are you referring to that bill that didn't even pass?
Flying Toaster
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Well it is not Trumps fault. It's corrupt officials faults that accept the money and do that. None of you get it.
Yes it is. But please tell me you see where Trump is at fault as well for going along with it?
Netherscourge
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He paid the money rather than reporting it to the FBI.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
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Isn't that like saying it was attempted murder, not murder?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
he's the one that does the buying, he doesnt get bought
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Ah, I see that it is. Maybe they tried to bribe her again and got better results that time.
It really is sad how much money is in politics as well as the legal system in America.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
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Maybe! I'm definitely just a spectator here. Politics isn't my forte, and honestly I learn more here than anyone else. I was just offering the comparison! Hmmm, anyway... back to the background for me.
The Jackdog
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....the part where he bribed an attorney general.
Crimson-Death
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And the funniest part is that Trump and his Trumpettes still think he can win! Hahahahahahahaha! This is truly entertaining. He keeps digging his own grave, ready for Hillary to throw the gasoline and light him on fire.
The not so funny part is that the Republicans, despite saying he is racist, still back him up. They would rather put a corrupt racist in the White House to advance their agenda and compromise the spirit and soul of the United States. They have damaged to country enough with their idiotic policies.
I thought this sort of stuff was already known about Trump. He said it publically during the debate.
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/6/9114565/donald-trump-debate-money#ooid=dtYzBzdjq8q3-3uDQd4gigUTednhQaVa
No news here...move along.
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/6/9114565/donald-trump-debate-money#ooid=dtYzBzdjq8q3-3uDQd4gigUTednhQaVa
No news here...move along.
Netherscourge
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This isn't about buying favor from politicians.
This is about buying off an investigator to hide your fraudulent business school.
This IS news.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Don't hesitate to post, it kind of amplifies learning through due diligence before presenting an argument. It's not as fun to argue something that doesn't hold up.
DontBeThatGuy
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You do realize the controversy surrounding Trump U is kind of big deal, right?
Bribery got her vote changed. Whether or not that vote was on the winning or losing side of the bill is completely irrelevant.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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So bribery did occur? Do you have a source?
TheSlySoul
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Pretty much.
It is a more devious way to settle out of court. Pretty much means Trump U victims are SOL.
Million Dollar Belt still the GOAT.
So where is the evidence beyond circumstantial? Is it possible, perhaps highly likely that might have tipped her vote, yes, is there any publicly view-able evidence that showcases that money directly influenced her vote, no.
Person A gives money to person B.
Person B immediately changes vote without explanation, and even expressed regret years later over her vote.
what happened, it's so complicated!!!
Its not evidence, oh so complicated!
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I understand where you're coming from, but that's how this kind of thing works. Do you have a reputable source that has investigated this allegation?
tell yourself.
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i read this as 'FLCL asked trump for donation.."
I did bring this up with a link to the New York Times and documented commentary from her colleagues, I don't know what kind of additional evidence something this cut and dry would require.
From uslegal.com:
So based on a pretty standard definition of bribery, you don't actually need evidence of an agreement, and I think we're all smart enough to understand what happened here, so let's just stop the charade. My point in even bringing this up was the random posts suggesting Hillary would never do something like this when we know it occurred, legal or not, still morally wrong.
Republicans love rich people doing whatever they want and really love racism so of course they back Trump up with an "ah shucks he really shouldn't" public face.
American Standard Crude Corruption
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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This piece here? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/u...uptcy-reform-that-haunts-hillary-clinton.html
Did the other Democrats that voted for it get paid off?
There was a spirited debate over a bankruptcy overhaul bill that is not too different from any other debate over a bill. Clinton changed her mind 3 years later when actually able to vote on it as a senator? I don't see anything unusual about that.
That's legislation in a nutshell.
I try not to convince myself of things to fit a narrative rather than to reach an educated conclusion, you have to be aware of it.
radios shipping overview
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Changing policy in response to campaign contributions is not the same as declining to participate in a criminal case after receiving a donation from the defendant.
Just because you don't personally value the discussion doesn't mean the rest of us don't. I'd greatly prefer it if people didn't "move along".
People who vote for Trump are stupid period. There's no need for any qualifier.
Yeah, the difference being that the Clintons are at the receiving end of things. The couple of Hilary supporters that believe she isn't corrupt are deluding themselves.
But you don't understand, anything done that could benefit any corporation means that they're bought and paid by the corporation.
No one is doing anything without getting paid off.
Heck considering we're talking about vote getting changed because of corporate money, might as well talk about how Sanders is bought and paid by the NRA.
Walter White Walker
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I like the attempts at, "But...but...but...Hillary!" as if that's germane to the topic. But anyway if this is true both Trump and the Florida AG should go to jail - her for corruption and him for bribery.
IrishNinja
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Goddamn, I love how bad this is getting...I too am not confident it'll sink Pam, but even with piece of shit Rick on his way out, I can't see her also failing upwards. My state can only let me down so much.
Abstrusity
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Well, I mean, the DNC kinda ignores this state until Debbie wants to get re-elected. The DNC has not significantly helped out here, and regional DNC chaptersarent' getting much in fundraising, either.
...Because we're a tourismand service economy. The only company in the top 10 employers in Florida that isn't one of those two is Lockheed Martin, and they have vested interest in getting more missiles sold. Rich old folk move down here and spread their ignorance, like all the other filth they bring, and drive the price of real estate sky high, too. Then you have gerrymandering -- oh there's a fun one, apparently felons in the state prisons count as people for the purpose of district drawing, but they can't vote. Guess where they end up?
I don't know if this deserved a new thread (since it's an update), but:
Trump pays IRS a penalty for his foundation violating rules with gift to aid Florida attorney general
Ummmm....a $2.5K FINE? That's it?
OK.
Trump pays IRS a penalty for his foundation violating rules with gift to aid Florida attorney general
Washington Post
Ummmm....a $2.5K FINE? That's it?
OK.
DontBeThatGuy
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Something is going on.
No that's not it. The fine is for the filing "error." If the AG doesn't return the money it's a crime.
Trump's people are effectively using the accounting version of the old "my pants fell down and I griped and fell into her and accidentally impregnated her" excuse.
This still has legs.
Which in turn gives Trump University se pre-November legs. Yet again six dimensional campaign suicide.
IrishNinja
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we kept rick scott till his term limit, and just reelected debbie
can't stop this train now
They aren't clearly analogous though. The charge against Trump is that he's willing to take advantage of corruptible people / systems. The charge against Hillary is that she, herself, is corrupt. This is the same justification as Trump's defense for minimizing his tax exposure, that as a savvy businessman, he takes every advantage he can. Clever spin for Trump would be something like "the case had no merits but Crooked AG Bondi used her position to *extort* me, the job-creating businessman, just like Crooked Hillary and all politicians abuse their positions. I played the other side of the game as a businessman and I hated it and I'm going to end it as President!" Certainly I don't think that's a persuasive angle, but a lot of Trump supporters jump at opportunities to see Trump in opposition to corrupt politicians.
Why give them that opportunity? To see Trump as "cutting a deal"? I think it's more effective to attack Trump on this directly, rather than as some double standard or hypocrisy. He's a slimy coward who tried to worm his way out of defending himself in court. Period.
Good on the IRS to actually do...something. But come on, FBI. He's openly bribing people.
I'm still waiting for the big media blowout about Trump's deep mob ties. I guess it's going to be an October thing at this point.
You don't end up with multiple Atlantic City casinos and extensive construction projects in New York City without some friends, capice?
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