HollovVpo1nt
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So now that Hart has played a shitty match he's a useless, overrated goal keeper and you guys knew it all along right?
He's still one of the best keepers in the world.
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My angle hasn't changed - he's world class.
Yes, you know better than all of us with your friendly games and youtube knowledge.
Jeff Albertson
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I'm glad the footballing authorities here on GAF are writing Hart off as useless. He can happily spend the rest of his career at City.
Nobody said he's useless he's just massivley over rated by some and City fans seem too precious about him
I've been banging this drum for a long time, one of the best instinct shot stoppers around but his all round game other wise is average and his decision making poor which brings him down from the top echelon
It's nice of him to be proving me right this season though
I think he's world class - you don't. And I watch football matches - I'm not sad enough to spend my time watching goals on youtube.
The_Hitcher89
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Dat Suarez assist
I didn't see the game, but from the running commentary, it sounded like the defense was in part responsible for the first 3 goals for Ibra (first Caulker then two poor plays by Shawcross I believe I read). The fact England had a bunch of kids on their international debuts did Hart no favors. That last one was kind of ridiculous looking by him but 99.9999% of players don't do anything with that chance Ibra had on the 4th so there's that.
LanceVance
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No he's had a poor season so far and isn't as good as some people make him out to be
If by "you" you mean Barca, Juve, Inter and Milan fans, then yes. I don't.
adriano999
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Ibra + Mancini was the worst, but Zlatan had 1 year with Mourinho(and iirc missed some easy chances againts ManU) and he was still a big game bottler.
Also Eto'o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ibra
Jeff Albertson
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I've been saying he's over rated for yonks now
Oh and DC surely you can't think that is competent goalkeeping for the last goal? If he doesn't come out the defenders have a better chance of dealing with it but if he decides to come he has to deal with it fully
If you disagree with Ibra being world class, then yes he does know better than "all of you".
So you speak for every single one of their fans? No offence man - but respect other's opinions, you're being a little childish.
Are you only reading my posts?
adriano999 supports Inter, FootballFan supports Barca, TheLucifer made his feelings known more than once last season.
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I'm responding to you because you're responding to me - and yes, it seems there's a few people who think he bottles big games, but some people think Ronaldo does as well.
I think Ronaldo is better than Messi as well if you want to kick off about that.
So the 4 of you?
Rio you idiot!! You only PLAY professional football at the top level!
His poor season is a great one for almost every other keeper in the world. He's only conceded 10 goals in 11 matches in the league and that's with some headscratchers from his defense.
FootballFan
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^^Everything you guys are saying about Hart, replace it with Ibra and that is how I feel.
Is he useless/shit? lol hell no, very good player in fact.
But is he as godlike/amazing as his fans claim? :lol nope.
Is he useless/shit? lol hell no, very good player in fact.
But is he as godlike/amazing as his fans claim? :lol nope.
in my opinion
Hah, I see what you're doing here. What a waste of time
Yeah - grow up man. I have a different opinion to you - deal with it.
The_Hitcher89
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Van Persie
Falcao
Cavani
Villa
Rooney
Eto'o?
Ibrahimovic
Aguero
By a lot of people's metrics, there are only 25 or so World Class players. That leaves 5, at most, world class strikers if they measure it by the player's quality relative to the others who play in their position. Ibra isn't so good that he's undoubtedly one of the top 5 in that list. Only Van Persie and Falcao are
Because Ryan Shawcross wasn't on the pitch.
pretty much this.
ahaha
We are a horrible shit team without Ibra.
Hadn't thought of that tbh.
England were winning when Shawcross came on with 15 minutes to go.
If the club decides to sell without him wanting to go, I'm going to stop supporting Liverpool and find another club to support.
Just saying.
Baconsaurus Rex
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Are you serious? :lol
This is a discussion forum, I was telling you why I, and others think he's overrated. You got cornered, changed your angle and started running in circles. Believe what you want, it IS your opinion.
Long time Yazan! You're a Milan fan too right?
The_Hitcher89
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Double-brace
lol@Northern Ireland's finishing. Horrendous. Amazing Lafferty dive as well
Awesome Animals
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He is high rated in FIFA so he must be world class.
TheLucifer
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So. That Ibra goal. I'm not missing him at all. At all.
But yeah, I always saw him as a player that usually performs badly in important matches, in the two years that he has played with us he only scored in one big game, vs Inter (and it was a penalty. Of course). Imo, there are way better players around the world when it comes down to important matches.
Edit: he also scored vs Napoli twice that year. Again, one of those was a pen. His second year was pretty poor though, only scored against small teams. Not saying that's not important of course, but against Juve he was pretty useless.
OHJESUSCHRISTJUSTCOMEBACKPLEASE :'(
But yeah, I always saw him as a player that usually performs badly in important matches, in the two years that he has played with us he only scored in one big game, vs Inter (and it was a penalty. Of course). Imo, there are way better players around the world when it comes down to important matches.
Edit: he also scored vs Napoli twice that year. Again, one of those was a pen. His second year was pretty poor though, only scored against small teams. Not saying that's not important of course, but against Juve he was pretty useless.
Are you serious? :lol
This is a discussion forum, I was telling you why I, and others think he's overrated. You got cornered, changed your angle and started running in circles. Believe what you want, it IS your opinion.
I'm not changing my angle - what other angle is there on "he's world class"?
I poked a bit of fun at you guys about Mourinho, sure, but I think he's comfortably one of the best players in terms of technique out there. And how am I cornered? Or running in circles? Lol
I hope he doesn't go - he's a top player and the league is better off having him in it.
Just seen the Daily Post headline. If it's true, apparently Man City are going to bid £40 million.
There are not enough lol's in the world. Given how reliant on him we are, the fact that he is our only recognised forward, in the best form
we've seen him in for LFC, and the fact that he signed a new deal only 6 months ago, £40 million is nowhere near enough (unless that is in addition to Aguero coming our way, then we may have to consider it).
FootballFan
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FIFA ratings are horribly flawed. Schweinsteiger and Ozil have lower ratings than Xavi and Iniesta.
adriano999
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Don't know about other teams but if you ask any interista they'll tell you the same thing.I'm responding to you because you're responding to me - and yes, it seems there's a few people who think he bottles big games, but some people think Ronaldo does as well.
I think Ronaldo is better than Messi as well if you want to kick off about that.
So the 4 of you?
He could have been fighting for the balon d'or with Messi and Ronaldo if he just didn't shit himself in every important match.
The story is probably LOLs but after the Torres debacle, can never be too sure with the football world business side of things.
adriano999
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3 goals, 2 penalties :lol
And 1 was bullshit
You know my opinion
I respect your opinion man, you seem a cool guy and you're a top poster. If it weren't for you my knowledge of the italian league this year would be minimal.
I know what it's like having a player that people outside your club like/despise but you've a completely different opinion about them. But I'm a Chelsea fan - so everyone hates all of our players apart from Mata
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