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Football Thread 13/14 |OT14| Juan Flew Into The Slug's Nest
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Just kidding. But we will wear that even more hideous red/blue kit next season against you, probably in another all german Cl final later this year...
Baconsaurus Rex
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Please don't do this to me
Fuuuuu.... Götze (55) and Lewandowski (50) now each worth more than 50 million Euro...
Fuck Bayern
Edit: New Bundesliga player ratings
Fuck Bayern
Edit: New Bundesliga player ratings
Oh good, we're going to finish a point behind Arsenal again. Unless Moyes does us a favour tonight.
I don't think their confidence will be shot at all after the FiveOne. And like you said, Moyes can't beat a top team.
Arsenal will win, City will win, hopefully Liverpool and Newcastle (pls usho)
edit: city play sunderland. hmm..... i can see a draw!
KidA Seven
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Seems like a waste of money.
I didn't watch Cardiff play yesterday. Was Zaha shit again?
Kill Your Masters
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People actually are serious when they mean this? Oh god I really need to work on my managers thesis.
With Everton, Moyes didn't win any of his 12 trips to Chelsea, 12 trips to Arsenal, 11 to United and 11 to Liverpool. He's lost all 3 of those fixtures this season and the fourth is tonight, at Arsenal.
It's a must win for Arsenal
Because he had Everton material. Everton is not supposed to win against those teams. Basic logic.
Do you really think Moyes wouldn't win at the Emirates with Barca, Bayern, PSG or Real material?
No. last year the competition was extremely out of form (Lollerpool, Arselol, City and Chelsea). This year they are much better, while United have stayed the same. On top of that, you have an aging squad, RvP out of form and a lot of injuries/bad luck. This has little (or nothing) to do with Moyes, or managers in general.
In 10 years more or less every half-decent team have taken 3 points from at least one of those grounds, most big teams multiple times. Just from this season you've got Villa winning at Arsenal, Southampton winning at Liverpool, West Brom at Old Trafford. Not that long ago even Sunderland won at Stamford Bridge, Newcastle did it too.
Moyes has never won a trophy and never even won a big away game, he has no credentials.
Shatner's Bassoon
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The managers not mattering stuff is total bunkum.
Otherwise Di Matteo wouldn't have been sacked.
I think the perfect example to proof my point, is by looking at Barcelona. In the last couple of years, they have changed their manager a few times (Pep, Martino, Vilanova) while their tactic and play haven't changed. You can place a monkey on the bench there, and with a little bit of luck and no Messi/Neymar injuries, you would still have a good chance to grab the title.
The players know what to do, they are not imbeciles.
The players know what to do, they are not imbeciles.
Lambda Pie
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managers only matter if the players listen.
LabouredSubterfuge
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It's not a perfect example. Barca are a completely atypical outlier as football teams go.
They have a football style and philosophy that is inculcated at every level of the club, transfers are done at DoF level. Tata is a head coach, not a manager and his portfolio of competencies are quite different from an ordinary manager.
Even then, he hasn't got them performing at the same level and completely the same style as his predecessors.
KidA Seven
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What about Pep at Bayern? Completely changed the way they played.
Do you think that if Pep came to United, United would be doing the same as under Moyes? Do you think United's players would perform better in Pep's system than Moyes' system or would it just be the same performance?
This is a common misconception. When Vilanova took over there was an immediate change in the way Barcelona played. They pressed far less than under Guardiola and were also noticeably more direct.
If you argued managers had a minimal impact during games you may have a point, but to argue they don't matter is silly. Managers matter most before a game. The way coaching sessions are handled, the subtle difference between asking your player to press high or sit deep. Making sure the players when on the pitch keep their shape.
Look at the way Bayern's shape is now compared to last year. I'd actually keep going if I thought you were being serious here.
Wasn't too bad. Came off after an hour, but he was generally one of Cardiff's most threatening players along with Campbell. Scored a goal that was offside, but was a nice turn and finish.
He has potential, but it's a Ravel in the making.
Players also help in that example. Just imagine this team trying to apply Rodgers' "Death by football" philosophy. They'd literally kill off the opponent
and still lose
You busy? Up for some clubs?
fry please. I love Brendan, but he's just one guy who hasn't achieved anything special
(yet)
Players also help in that example. Just imagine this team trying to apply Rodgers' "Death by football" philosophy. They'd literally kill off the opponent.and still lose
We really did have some trash players these last few years, we've really cleaned house. Only Kelly is still at Liverpool from that picture and he'll probably be sold come the Summer (due to injuries not skill though). I just did some checking, out of that starting eleven, they sold for a combined fee of £17.5m. Babel being £8m, Poulsen £4.5m and Shelvey £5m. Reina has yet to be sold and Kelly is still here, but all the other players left on free transfers.
Moyesy got rid of United's top class coaching staff. Did that happen at Barca?
Milchmonster
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That stuff is so random.
Piszczek - comes back earlier than expected from a long injury, starts to get back in the team: loses 1m
Blaszczykowski - out for the rest of the season: loses 3m
Subotic - out for the rest of the season: gains 2m
and now the best:
Gündogan - played like one fucking match since August, in danger of ending his career: gains 7 (!) fucking million. :lol :lol :lol
Gareth Bale
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We have a Japanese player in our U18s.
Prepare yourselves for the gifs in five years time
Prepare yourselves for the gifs in five years time
some teams can manage without a (or with any) manager, because they're filled with WC players and they follow a certain footballing philosophy. Case in point Barcelona, City and Madrid. A change of manager will make a difference, certainly, but not as big as you would imagine.
but you're clearly wrong when it comes to teams like Juve, United, BVB etc.
we jumped from 7th to Undefeated.
7th
to
Undefeated
we lost more games under Delneri in one season than with Conte in THREE.
I think he is probably in the pupal stages of that, yeah. Definitely not a stretch to say he's going in that direction.
I can't remember seeing Sissoko do anything this year :lol
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