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Football Thread 13/14 |OT16| ''I tried to push him away with my head.''
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I'm a bit conflicted because Mata is a beauty and incredibly talented but, yeah, he's been a bit underwhelming hasn't he.
Who knows if it's the Moyes factor, or whatever, but for £37m you expect more.
Hopefully Everton & Man Utd get the EL spots and we get Van Gaal in to worry only about league and domestic cup form.
Here you go, Arnie.
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Vivalaraza
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we have two and a half seasons worth of evidence that Mata is a great player and one that has adapted to the Premier League (which is more than we have for, say, Silva). he'll be fine, that was still a ridiculously great purchase by United. moving in the middle of the season + Moyes are mitigating factors.
In United there is a lot of "cant criticize him because....."
... Rooney: Just signed a huge contract, you are stuck with him for years, do not want to start that drama again
... Mata: He came over in a record deal, you paid massive money for this guy...to a rival team that will use that money to strenghten themselves
... Adnan: He is so young, you cannot really expect much of him at this point
... Evra/Vidic/Rio/old Guard: They are leaving anyway after this season, what is the point of trashing them now?
... RVP: He might leave if you get nasty, his future is still unsure despite his comments
And the king is
... Moyes, he was born in Scotland just like your last manager. And he is suppose to be the future, shitting on Moyes is shitting on Fergie, because Fergie picked him after all.
Who to blame? Cannot blame the fans, they have been very patient, in Italy Moyes would have gotten sacked 10x times over by now.
... Rooney: Just signed a huge contract, you are stuck with him for years, do not want to start that drama again
... Mata: He came over in a record deal, you paid massive money for this guy...to a rival team that will use that money to strenghten themselves
... Adnan: He is so young, you cannot really expect much of him at this point
... Evra/Vidic/Rio/old Guard: They are leaving anyway after this season, what is the point of trashing them now?
... RVP: He might leave if you get nasty, his future is still unsure despite his comments
And the king is
... Moyes, he was born in Scotland just like your last manager. And he is suppose to be the future, shitting on Moyes is shitting on Fergie, because Fergie picked him after all.
Who to blame? Cannot blame the fans, they have been very patient, in Italy Moyes would have gotten sacked 10x times over by now.
What is this tingly sensation?
It doesn't help that Rooney is basically taking up the spot of at least two bloody good players at the club.
Vivalaraza
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I have no problem taking a shit on Fergie.
Haven't heard it but I'm sure it is. Can't hang the player out to dry in such an important period but he clearly fucked up. If it was me I'd bring up Django's injury record and say that with the title run-in in full flight and the world cup on the horizon he was within his right to leap over such a reckless challenge.
But it's all bollocks, he dived. Almost relieved Gerrard missed.
Thanks for the gifs Scum.
LanceVance
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I think the majority of United fans in this thread have criticized all of those players
FootballFan
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Man U has nine losses?
wow.
wow.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Vivalaraza
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Southampton might catch us up you know. We still have to go there too.
johnthequad
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Hope Wenger can pull of the double this season. Will go down in Arsenal legend as one of his best ever.
Wait? What th-?! Gerrard hasn't won the league with Liverpool?? He's been there for soo long that I thought he had?
Oh yeah, hardcore fans sure
I meant more the media in general is very soft
Very few are even contemplating that his man perhaps is not the man for the job. Ive listened to Football Weekly podcasts for a while, and this entire season they seem to be giving Moyesy the benefit of the doubt, as if he has their kids in some death chamber.
I dont understand, why the media is so lax, its like they are afraid to criticize him in case he does become the next Ferguson, which, HELLO, he wont.
Dark Machine
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The last time United lost 10 in a season was in 1990/91 before the Premier League was formed. They have 9 games left and still have to play City at home and Everton away.
Coldnoodle
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Vivalaraza
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They know he isn't going to be sacked.
There isn't a story there.
We'll lose more than just those two.
Liverpool hasn't won the league since 1989.
Fuck. I'm old. :-/
You are probably right. The honeymoon period with the fans is certainly over, but with the media its still very much going on. This same situation next year? And they will tear Moyesy to shreds
Vivalaraza
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They (and the fans) will start to get stuck into him next year.
I imagine things will ramp up next week though after we go out of the CL and City batter us too.
It'd be epic as fuck.
The few pundits I saw on NBC, including Lineker, mentioned Moyes position being untenable after the limpness of this performance. Lose in a convincing manner in the CL and I'm sure the knives will be out.
The fans have been showing their support at the end of the game though.
The fans have been showing their support at the end of the game though.
Vivalaraza
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I don't really think it's support for Moyes though. It's just defiance and pride.
Most of the fans would be happy to see him go now. But that's a long way from standing up in the ground and saying so. They just aren't going to do that until it becomes unbearable for them.
I really want to finish 5th. We don't have to take the Europa seriously next season if we don't want to but our second string will waltz through the group stage. Depending on how the league is going it may be that taking Europa knockouts seriously is our route to the CL.
To finish 7th with our run-in we would basically have to give up, that isn't going to help us develop.
Yeah, you're definitely right there. It's just that fans showing frustration is usually one of the major causes for managers getting the boot. The Away fans weren't held back today so I imagine a good portion of the Home fans left early.
LabouredSubterfuge
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You're one of the luckiest United fans I know, put it that way.
LabouredSubterfuge
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It's like they're a b-
Oh yeah. Good point.
Vivalaraza
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If Arsenal ever do manage to win something their players are gonna go fucking nuts.
Dark Machine
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Possibly the most people ever in a selfie yet.
Vivalaraza
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He's not making excuses anymore, he has nothing to say. Just says it's disappointing and that we have to do better and will do better.
Literally all he's been saying for 2 months.
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