Yeah, most likely. Maybe a run in the Europa League first would be good, boost their coefficient. Who could they end up with? Lille? Bilbao? Napoli>
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Yeah, most likely. Maybe a run in the Europa League first would be good, boost their coefficient. Who could they end up with? Lille? Bilbao? Napoli>
OriginalThinking
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No. Different styles yes, offer "more" no.
Hard for me to comment on Maradona seeing as I never saw him live, and even Rivaldo was 500 years old by the time I started watching football regularly. But I think taking everything into account - aesthetics, technical skill, effectiveness and efficiency, match winners, big game players, goal scoring and assisting, absolute importance to great teams - Messi is better than Ronaldo and Zidane. All he's missing is a World Cup to confirm that 100% for me (well not for me, I already think so; but it certainly helps his case!)
Zidane is one of the very greatest players of all time and I loved watching him, but Messi for me as a complete package is better. Still so young as well.
Huh?! they did all messi does and more besides. Maradona ran past defenders too, gave assists too, scored goals too
Mr.Marston
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I'll be too busy laughing.You guys are severely underestimating the brilliant tactics of Tim Sherwood. He's going to celebrate like the hero at the end of a kids action movie. It's going to make us all vomit with rage.
The_Hitcher89
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Yep
Showboating and gymnastic spectacularism has its place, but Messi is like a machine with the consistency of his quality. Intelligence, reactions, forethought, calmness, timing, vision.
He has it all in his head, before you even get started on his dribbling, passing and finishing ability, which are all among the top 5 in the world imo
socomfanaticest2001
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hoping spurs win!!
liverpool lose today, they will need a win over city, i can see sunderland pulling one up on liverpool as well.
liverpool lose today, they will need a win over city, i can see sunderland pulling one up on liverpool as well.
£3m to like... Sunderland? If Ki goes back to Swansea maybe they'd be looking.
Just spent ten minutes reading the 06/07 wiki page. Dat 7-1 Roma win. Hnnnggghhhhh.
God I loved that squad. VDS, Nev, Patty and Heinze, Rooney when he wasn't a cunt, Saha, Park, Larsson, OLE <3333
How did they do 'more'? Hopefully that doesn't come across as condescending, genuinely curious.
Don't think he'll leave at all. Relatively young, English... That means he'd cost a fair amount for anyone to buy him, and I don't think we could offload him to many.
God I loved that squad. VDS, Nev, Patty and Heinze, Rooney when he wasn't a cunt, Saha, Park, Larsson, OLE <3333
How did they do 'more'? Hopefully that doesn't come across as condescending, genuinely curious.
Don't think he'll leave at all. Relatively young, English... That means he'd cost a fair amount for anyone to buy him, and I don't think we could offload him to many.
It's impossible to say who is the best player of all time because they always come in different eras and generations. The rules have changed little by little, the styles have changed, the weight and flight of the ball have changed. You can't measure someone from the 70s vs someone from the modern era.
I think the best way you can compare players is by comparing their influence on their respective generation. Messi is the player of his generation. We're in the Messi years.
I think the best way you can compare players is by comparing their influence on their respective generation. Messi is the player of his generation. We're in the Messi years.
Diablo Rosso
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I'd like to think he's gone. I don't think he will go for much because he doesn't have long left on his contract I think. That and he's complete shit. I can see him going back to Wigan for a few million.
aesthetics and technical skill Messi is behind Maradona/Zidane/Ronaldinho. I listed a bunch of stuff that those three did that Messi rarely, if ever, does.
What Maradona did for Napoli and Argentina is something that Messi hasn't even come close to matching. It would be the equivalent of Messi going to Spurs and dragging them to a Premier League title. In terms of big match Zidane was up there with the World Cup and Champions League final goals.
Don't think Wigan have that much to spare
Hopefully some prem club snaps him up (as Wilbz said, inflated English cost)...is 6m optimistic?
And even Moyes' and the staff can see he clearly isn't cut out for top 4 football. Decent prem player, but nowt at that level.
6m to QPR. Come on 'Arry.
Barney Ronay wrote a little piece on Xavi a few weeks ago. Can't remember exactly but I'm sure it was something along the lines of 'if Messi is the best across all generations, Xavi is the one who defines this generation in terms of style'
Why "hopefully"?Don't think Wigan have that much to spare
Hopefully some prem club snaps him up (as Wilbz said, inflated English cost)...is 6m optimistic?
And even Moyes' and the staff can see he clearly isn't cut out for top 4 football. Decent prem player, but nowt at that level.
6m to QPR. Come on 'Arry.
Genuinely think Messi would make any top 6 side automatically the best in the league.
Diablo Rosso
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'Arry is mad enough to do it as well.Don't think Wigan have that much to spare
Hopefully some prem club snaps him up (as Wilbz said, inflated English cost)...is 6m optimistic?
And even Moyes' and the staff can see he clearly isn't cut out for top 4 football. Decent prem player, but nowt at that level.
6m to QPR. Come on 'Arry.
We get dosh dosh dosh if he leaves. Similar deals to Delph, Wisdom and George Green.
And prem because higher transfer fee innit
then more dosh
dosh
damn straight
KidA Seven
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Maybe he meant more as in variety. Players can say they have the ability to give a through ball like Messi, but there's not many that can do it as frequently as he does. There's a reason why his assist numbers are always so high.
Messi can never do what Maradona did. If Messi went to the Serie A and carried a club to a league title, people would say Serie A isn't that strong anymore.
Besides, it was a different time period back then. Verona won back then as well. They were in completely different situations and it's unfair to both to compare their club accomplishments.
Having said that, when it comes to passing I think it's known that Maradona was superior.
Yeah I agree if we're talking about style. Xavi is the midfielder who all managers want their midfielders to imitate. I don't think they're telling their players to be like Messi though, because that'd just be a lost cause.
Coldnoodle
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Messi is the GOAT.
Ronaldinho was more beautiful though.
Dinho ;_;
Ronaldinho was more beautiful though.
Dinho ;_;
Platini makes plea to FIFA to ban third party owners
Platini, the true GOAT of football.
Fuck Barney, Michael Cox picked Pirlo.
not only that, Maradona managed to carry them above Platini's Juve.
Platini, the true GOAT of football.
Fuck Barney, Michael Cox picked Pirlo.
:lol I think Pirlo's just as good as Xavi to be honest. Different styles, Xavi's played in a better team, but equally as brilliant as each other. Probably the two best midfielders of this generation (although how far back does that stretch? Those two and Zidane? Or Alan Smith when Fergie played him as DM?)
Pirlo is better
and he's still doing it
please, look at Xavi's eyebrows. That can't be the eyebrows of the most important player in this generation
the real answer is VIDAL
Mr.Marston
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...why does he keep playing Bentaleb?
We'll be dead in first 10mins.
Broder Salsa
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Neither can an Ac Milan reject.
Saw a rumor that Everton are interested in him. Makes sense. Martinez got a pretty good performance out of him at Wigan from what people said. Wouldn't shock me if we keep him. Moyes is a fool who values English players like they are gold.
The_Hitcher89
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If Suarez wins us the league, he's better than Maradona
OriginalThinking
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Messi has scored more, assisted more and with the exception of a world cup has won more titles than any of the other aforementioned players and is only 27. Just because you can play a pass with your arse doesn't automatically qualify you as being a better player.
Messi can do the tricks and flicks (if you've ever seen him train) but doesn't bother doing them in games because more often than not they slow down the game and don't come off. For every Rabona that leads to a goal there are umpteen that don't. Messi is the best player of all time because he is brutally efficient at everything he does and he doesn't need to embellish it with showboating for YouTube videos and highlight reels. I've watched Rivaldo, Zidane, Baggio, OG Ronaldo and Messi is the best player I've ever seen and the most exciting to watch. And what really stands him out is his consistency. Those other players were great, but were far less consistent than Messi.
Only OG Ronaldo pre 98 WC could touch him. Maradona was as skilful as Messi but wasn't as good a finisher, wasn't as fast and allowed his private life to distract from his on field performances. And certainly wasn't as consistent. In addition Maradona was genuinely one footed. Messi's right foot is a lot better than he's given credit for.
PowderedToast
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sherwoods attempt at mindgames makes me cringe. this guy.
I love that Brendan's just thrown every attacking player he's got out there, doesn't give a fuck with Sandro & Dembele on the bench.
KidA Seven
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FA block every PL video on youtube. All those videos do is promote the players in the league. Fucking idiots.
Haha, what did he say?
Coldnoodle
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