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Football Thread 2011/12 |OT8| Made it to the Championship play-offs
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Tim the Wiz
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Poor rotation - fatigued your best players early and left your squad players (see: Nasri) with scant match sharpness. Overly-defensive tactics in the run-in. Poor man-management with Balotelli (except, can he actually be managed?) and Tevez. Basically, the result of a good but not unflawed manager.
Alright, thanks, sounds familiar. Hard to keep up with bonds, rumours of them going public stock exchange and what not.
You work in finance?
Gareth Bale
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Yeah, I think Mancini has given up on Balotelli now.
Vivalaraza
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Mancini selling Balotelli out here.
Rightfully so.
Rightfully so.
Nope, but studying Economics and I've read extensively about LBO's and how the Glazer's took control of United. Tbh, it's not rocket-science.
The_Hitcher89
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Is Suarez the only player in the league who will be called a diver by pundits and managers? Listening to Mark Hughes talking about Young, and he's evading any language that could be interpreted as an accusation of diving
Maybe City are being too hard on themselves. To build a EPL winning team and more importantly a team with the mentality to push through the difficult periods, such as the one they are in now, takes several years. They have the talent and soon enough they will have the mentality. Bottling the league in the final third of the season is the kind of experience that builds the character and mentality required to win it next time. I remember someone -somewhere- saying that Fergie always looked ahead in earnest to the next season, regardless of what happened in the season before. City need to do the same. One one hand I think they need a new manager but I also think that Mancini has done a pretty good job all things considered.
It's because he's not a good enough manager, especially at the business end of the season.
LabouredSubterfuge
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I think Balotelli's done.
Vivalaraza
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I agree.
The important thing is to identify the mistakes this year and correct them. Can Mancini do that? Tbh, I have no idea.
maybe Chelsea and Man City can work out some sort of manager swap program every few months
Tim the Wiz
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Hard to believe so many saw it as a sign of weakness at the time. Vieira's comments months later were extra-special baffling, though.
Not sure what the next step is for City. Considering they all earn a lot, I find it hard to believe that anyone will really want to leave (besides from the loaned out players).
Probably Tevez. De Jong, Adam Johnson and Balotelli might. Maybe Savic.
The squad is still full though. Barry may be sold in place for a world class central midfielder, but they're hard to find. If AJ leaves there might be place for a winger like Hazard.
Players who needs to step it up next season if all stay: Balotelli, Milner, Nasri, Johnson, Kolarov and Dzeko. Can't really say the others have done much wrong, much is on Mancini.
Probably Tevez. De Jong, Adam Johnson and Balotelli might. Maybe Savic.
The squad is still full though. Barry may be sold in place for a world class central midfielder, but they're hard to find. If AJ leaves there might be place for a winger like Hazard.
Players who needs to step it up next season if all stay: Balotelli, Milner, Nasri, Johnson, Kolarov and Dzeko. Can't really say the others have done much wrong, much is on Mancini.
He has to go. Some managers have specific traits that give them leeway - tactics, transfer market, philosophy - but he doesn't have anything like this to fall back on.
Probably been the best midfielder in the league since January, if only he had a bit more stamina.
Yep, it's what made Vieira's comments so ridiculous.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Honestly, I don't think Benitez is a particularly superior manager to Mancini and he would've fallen out with this City side. I also think after the football City have played this season, the brand of football Benitez would employ would bore City fans to tears.
No doubt City will try and throw the cheque book at him but Mourinho wants to succeed Ferguson and he'll probably stay at Madrid until he gets that chance.
That's a fair statement but doing that requires a good manager to build on the team and the experience. Look at what Mancini has said and done all season. From "Tevez will never play for City again" to "I would punch Ballotelli" and then there is his utterly baffling tactics and poor squad management. Do you really think this manager would be able to foster the kind of discipline and command the kind of respect required from his players to win a title that is played out in 38 games over 9 months?
You need to start buying more young talent, instead of ready-talent. That way they grow into the club and learn what they play for. That's how Ferguson rolls.
08/09 wasn't boring at all. He'd have money to recreate that team. (09/10 was dire!!). I used 08/09 as an example as it was the most exciting season for Liverpool with the best style of play. His previous seasons were good too.
The problem is that Mancini has shown no signs of learning from previous experiences and correcting mistakes. The succesful season can be described with all the talent bought this summer and some squad gel. Tactically it has been very similar since he arrived.
People normally avoid saying stuff like that because it normally gets you in trouble with the FA.
Vivalaraza
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I think Mourinho would go there.
Anyways, job yet to be done. Wigan away on Wednesday, had the day off today so should be well rested.
Ferguson was forced to do it with many of his players growing old. There are very few City players aged aboved 28, most at 23-26. They still have 10 years of PL football in them.
I doubt Ferguson would roll that way if he had the money Mancini has.
He'll buy torres back for £50M
Ahh, I see. Yeah, it's not rocket science. Anyway, IMO, a football club is probably one of the worst kind of business that you attempt to do a LBO on. Revenues are way too volatile and uncertain regardless of how big your club is. I have no idea what the Glazers were thinking and I'm just hoping it all plays out well for United. The good news is that United has such a strong brand and such a large fanbase that there will inevitably be many powerful people willing to bail us out if shit really hits the fan in our finances.
Say hi to Arnie, Lunchbox.
Great set of results, Arteta, Rosicky and Song were fucking brilliant all game.
It should be on Mancini; his tactical decisions over the last few months have ruined things for them
I don't think we're as mediocre as made out to be, I think our style of play has been lacking since October but there's been a lot of injuries. We've got a good squad, they just need to gel together a bit more to play better
So fucking happy. I'm so proud of Fergie and this team. I've said all along since that 6-1 we were going to win, and I know you lot have too. Fucking brilliant. Well done Arsenal, totally deserved
Thing is if they sack Mancini and bring in Mourinho, I resign us to second place. Guys a fucking winner.
He has made it pretty clear he wants to manage United though. United wouldn't take him if he joined City.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Wasn't that the season where Torres and Gerrard just went on a beasting spree? Because if so that's not really a strategy.
Frank the Great
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mancini is such a moron. if he wanted to play with a defensive left winger, why not play a defensive left winger? why tell balotelli, a striker, to stay on the left and mark sagna? what good could have come from that, other than a bunch of reckless striker-esque tackles?
Vivalaraza
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It's a crazy idea to invest in football. MUFC is one of the few clubs where it can reap rewards if you manage it right. As bad as the Glazers are, and I have no time for them, their business plan has played out perfectly so far (Ferguson's management has been priceless here). If the markets were healthier as the Glazer's probably expected them to be and the IPO worked out they'd be in a very good position.
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