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Football Thread 2011/12 |OT8| Made it to the Championship play-offs
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Less? Mike Ashley is one of the cheapest motherfuckers in the league.
I think he gets paid in Sports Direct gift vouchers.
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I'm guessing 2 mil at best. Though Sunderland paying more is a slap in Newcastle's face if true.
And his salary will probably rise after this season.
Awesome Animals
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I like Coke Zero. But still, at most I only have one 20 oz (591 ml) bottle a day. Unless I'm driving to Chicago, then it is like three of those to keep me awake.
LabouredSubterfuge
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I honestly worry for Pep when he moves.
Eh?
500k? Wow.
What the hell. McLeish and Dalglish get paid much more to send their teams to mid-table...
We usually were the club with the higher profile management. Keegan/Dalglish/SBR must have been paid a lot back in the day. How things changed over the past decade
But they do still play. Rangers don't refuse to play on the anniversary of the Ibrox disaster. Bradford don't refuse to play on the anniversary of the Bradford fire. Liverpool don't refuse to play on the anniversary of Heysal.
Alan Davis is a twat and his general horrible attitude masks his original point, but he was right in my opinion. I can't see a reason to refuse to play on the 15th. Seems like a particularly poignant date TO play but not to refuse to play.
Awesome Animals
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Personal bias aside, it's criminal that he is in the top 20 for highest paid managers in the world. He makes as much as Joachim Löw.
Why should what other teams do influence how Liverpool respect the 96?
So episode 3 of Game of Thrones is out.... nom nom nom.
That will make up for no football today. And no, Blackburn vs Liverpool doesn't count
Online exclusive again? Are they doing this the whole season now??
Awesome Animals
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HBO Go did that with the final season of Entourage as well.
Yes, exactly - McLeish and Dalglish were paid to send their teams to mid-table. That's the reason they were hired and it's what the managers set out to do. By this bulletproof logic, surely Brendan Rogers and Paul Lambert would be paid more than Mark Hughes, right?
Actually sarcasm aside, McLeish was definitely sent in to keep Villa mid-table. I have no idea how he got the salary that he did, but it's the only one on the table that legit surprises me.
As for Pep, if Chelsea or City sprung for him, you can bet he'd beat out Mourinho. 7.5m is a SHIT ton of money considering he came through the club as a player and a coach, not bought out from another top team.
I believe Liverpool is probably 3rd-ish for highest revenue in the league, I imagine beaten by Chelsea and United, perhaps Arsenal as well, which is why we can afford to pay our manager 4 mil a year and Steven Gerrard 130,000 per week. Dalglish, Benitez, whoever, I reckon we'd pay any manager a great wage because we're a big club with means to do so. It would be expected.
We usually were the club with the higher profile management. Keegan/Dalglish/SBR must have been paid a lot back in the day. How things changed over the past decade
Back when Dalglish managed Newcastle, the PL was bringing in only a fraction of the money it does now. Salaries would reflect that. I'm sure Pardew will get a raise, but it won't reach Martin O'Neill's salary, because as good as Newcastle is doing, I don't think it's because of Pardew's management so much as it is the scouting and hiring.
For 9 games? Not much I'd imagine.
Will you still be third-ish if you don't qualify for CL?
His transfer fee to Rovers as a player was the record transfer at the time, so he'd probably been ballin both as a Rovers player and later as Newcastle manager.
Vivalaraza
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That seems to be very unfair.
For one, I'm sure Pardew is involved in the recruitment processes himself. Secondly, a lot of managers complain when they don't get to sign the players they want to, so if he is being given players that were never his choice, to then manage them so well is impressive.
And although Newcastle have some great players, they are still a team which is better than the sum of its parts. Cisse only arrived in January and Ben Arfa has only hit form in recent weeks (Ben Arfa playing for Pardew is an achievement in itself when you follow his antics in his career). He's been playing with Leon Best up front at times, Perch and Williamson at CB. Obertan on the wing. Pardew has done a remarkable job, Newcastle havent been below 7th since game week 2.
He deserves a lot of the credit.
Edit - Also worth remembering he was an unpopular appointment at the time and he did pretty well with Newcastle last year but the team changed drastically in the summer and so did their style of play...so that's a manager who has got results in 2 entirely different circumstances, under a lot of pressure. Good work.
Well, there's a case to suggest in this case their stubborn policy over it is actively inconveniencing other people. But on a more basic level even than that, I don't see how refusing to play honours or respects anybody.
I don't know, I just find that as time goes on, Liverpools attitude to the disaster becomes more and more abstract, weird and disconnected from reality. A few years ago they refused us permission to hold a minutes silence in memory of the disaster. What the fuck is that?
Don't really know in the end, it's just the impression I get from watching interviews and reading news. I guess it's also partly because I like Chris Houghton that I feel that way. I would be stoked to see Birmingham come up and give the Mags a good mauling. Would make the 12/13 season a good one instantly.
If it makes you feel any better, I will say MON has done a traffic job at Sunderland.
That will happen because we play crap against fizzy pop teams.
Jeff Albertson
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Good post Mat, my main bone of contention is what I see as a massive disparity in the handling of the two disasters by the club in present day.
Anyway I always find its a debate that nobody comes out of any better for discussing so best avoided.
Anyway I always find its a debate that nobody comes out of any better for discussing so best avoided.
Well, looking at the tables now it's definitely not looking like a foregone conclusion for Birmingham to make the jump.
I think the fans feel galvanized by the horrible way the press covered the Hillsborough disaster, and more than anything, that aspect of it has carried it full strength into the modern game, and into Liverpool's identity. The fans do handle the two very differently, but the circumstances are very different between them, too.
I think the fans feel galvanized by the horrible way the press covered the Hillsborough disaster, and more than anything, that aspect of it has carried it full strength into the modern game, and into Liverpool's identity. The fans do handle the two very differently, but the circumstances are very different between them, too.
Reading Hunter's book about Barca really underlines how much Pep has done to rebuild from the Rijkaard era. And his success with Barca B before the first team also shows that he has remarkable coaching talent. Also great to read about his methodology.
He and Mou are like the current Barca and Real embodied. We are priviledged to follow that battle.
Pardew has been genius at Newcastle. He's worked to win the fans over, established a solid base and come up with great tactical victories like the Stoke game, ManU at home and the recent Swansea game. As said before, getting Ben Arfa to perform was one incredible feat too.
He and Mou are like the current Barca and Real embodied. We are priviledged to follow that battle.
Pardew has been genius at Newcastle. He's worked to win the fans over, established a solid base and come up with great tactical victories like the Stoke game, ManU at home and the recent Swansea game. As said before, getting Ben Arfa to perform was one incredible feat too.
15 million a year? Holy shit...
Jeff Albertson
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Steve Kean is on big clucks
For me Pep at Chelsea would be a nightmare, one of my least fav teams... Then again he probably would offload Terry, Lamps & Drogba to make it manageable. Still, very different culturally to Barca... Interesting!
They'll fuck him like the others.
Vivalaraza
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I can see why they don't want to play on the anniversary, there is an argument for it. There is the flip side also however and there are IMO good reasons to play on the day if need be. This weekened for example.
The problem with Hillsborough is you just can't debate it. Its a very sensitive topic and there are hardly ever any discussions about it which say clean. Usually they get to a point where, if you're not a Liverpool fan, you simply don't understand. That's fair enough I guess, but a lot of people in this country do care about Hillsborough and the effort to get the petition past 100k is testament to that. I think it's sad that people are so often told they don't understand or care when they do, at least as much as they can.
Alan Davies is silly, he had a point but he was vulgar about it. Now he's on Twitter defending himself whilst people tell him he'll get beaten up if he dares enter Liverpool. Just a stupid and sad episode all over.
The problem with Hillsborough is you just can't debate it. Its a very sensitive topic and there are hardly ever any discussions about it which say clean. Usually they get to a point where, if you're not a Liverpool fan, you simply don't understand. That's fair enough I guess, but a lot of people in this country do care about Hillsborough and the effort to get the petition past 100k is testament to that. I think it's sad that people are so often told they don't understand or care when they do, at least as much as they can.
Alan Davies is silly, he had a point but he was vulgar about it. Now he's on Twitter defending himself whilst people tell him he'll get beaten up if he dares enter Liverpool. Just a stupid and sad episode all over.
Who is it inconveniencing? Chelsea? I imagine Liverpool are slightly more concerned about a Hillsborough memorial service than Chelsea's semi final.
for 15 million a year, you'd probably take the fucking!
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its not like AVB. He has been with one of the best european sides in history. He has the respect already and hopefully the shit AVB put up with does not happen.
The fact that th eplayers actually PLAY now that dimatteo is around says everything. Dimatteo is one of the old boys of that team and so they respect him.....
It shouldn't be like that, though. It is and I agree with you, but I don't like it.
Pep would be mad to go to Chelsea at the minute. If I was him I would be asking for certain assurances to be written into the contract relating to transfer policy etc. If Roman doesn't like it he doesn't get his man.
I don't think it's wise to go to Chelsea but if there's one man who could fuck the prima donna seniors then it's Pep.
I don't want it to happen though because I don't want to see Chelsea dominating. Sorry Fady
FootballFan
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Yeah Pep is great. Mou is a damn good coach but I just hate him. Can't stand his bs off the field. When he poked Tito in the eye everyone was "lol"'ing. If Pep or Sir Alex poked an assistant coach in the eye...wow. We would never hear the end of it.
As always I am excited for Clasico, but I just hope that sort of shit stops, the whining, the diving, the blaming referee, the fights at half-time, the mindgames etc. Messi saved the semi-final last season with that magical goal. Twas a bad game for everyone. Everyone.
Though I have to say the last few Clasicos have been better, except for Pepe with his hand stomping, face covering, time wasting stuff.
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Pep to Chelsea? He would kick out Terry, Lamps, Drogba etc immediately. He had no problem at all kicking out Ronaldinho, the king of the Camp Nou. Deco, Edmilson etc but Eto'o convinced Pep to not sell him.
Plus he knows English so no translators needed.
If Abramovich lets him spend 300mil to buy Messi, Iniesta and Xavi, then yeah I could see him going.
But I doubt it, just don't see it, teams I could see him going to are Inter(please god no), Milan, ManCity or United.
LabouredSubterfuge
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I don't think it's wise to go to Chelsea but if there's one man who could fuck the prima donna seniors then it's Pep.
I don't want it to happen though because I don't want to see Chelsea dominating. Sorry Fady
I don't agree. He apparently hates confrontation. I was told this by Ibralol.
Is it?
Vivalaraza
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Even if the club accepted a bid, they wouldn't leave. They get paid as much as they would anywhere else and they're playing with their friends for the team they love in the city they grew up in all as part of the best footballing establishment in the world right now.
he totally comes across as a lad who lives in the pub in his post match interviews so i understand that, but after being fired by southampton pardew used his time out to visit a bunch of bundesliga clubs with the aim of examining their training and coaching practices and to improve his tactical understanding. his time there also exposed him to ba at hoffenheim and cisse and freiberg, and he played a significant part in making sure they were transfer targets.
Inter: Dead team, deep in the red (FFP) and they have no money to rebuild it. (at least not with young WC players)
Milan:
Why leave Barca anyway?
FootballFan
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As Viva said above, it just would be so hard to convince any of the 3 to leave. They already get paid so damn much, they live in a City they love and have grown up in, they win titles a lot of the time, so there really is no reason or motivation for them to leave.
They would cost so much too, Messi for example is still only 24, 120mil is the minimum I would want for him.
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Inter: Dead team, deep in the red (FFP) and they have no money to rebuild it. (at least not with young WC players)
Milan:
:lol good points.
Both would still be big possibilities if he were to leave though(imo)
I don't see Iniesta or Xavi leaving. They are Barcelona and Xavi being 32 already, why should he leave unless he plans to follow Raul's suit. Messi on the other hand might leave if Pep leaves and that's what I'd like to see.
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