Broder Salsa
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Ilicic or own goal? I don't care. 1-3.
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Football Thread 2011/12 |OT8| Made it to the Championship play-offs
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Wait, people are saying there was no contact between Reina and Perch? :lol
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_report/0,19764,11065_3484837,00.html Look at the 3rd screenshot in that slideshow. He clearly makes contact with him.
But yes, Perch shouldn't have dropped like a sack of shit as I doubt the "hit" was even that forceful. Reina definitely deserved to go, regardless.
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_report/0,19764,11065_3484837,00.html Look at the 3rd screenshot in that slideshow. He clearly makes contact with him.
But yes, Perch shouldn't have dropped like a sack of shit as I doubt the "hit" was even that forceful. Reina definitely deserved to go, regardless.
Frank the Great
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another penalty for genoa. this game is nuts.
Meus Renaissance
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The Reina incident wasn't a red card. From the Good Book, page 121, paragraph 1:
Liverpool have a good case to get the card overturned on the basis of this clarification. There is no debate, it was not a red card. What Reina did was no different than players shoving each other (which refs often don't give yellows for let alone reds)
A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball
Liverpool have a good case to get the card overturned on the basis of this clarification. There is no debate, it was not a red card. What Reina did was no different than players shoving each other (which refs often don't give yellows for let alone reds)
José Mourinho
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I know we agree on the situation, but I don't know that Reina should know any better, he didn't actually do anything. Players square up all the time and so long as there's no handbags the players go on unpunished.
But like I said, I don't care because I don't support them.
Headbutting not brutality? Really?
I would have subbed Carroll after he dived instead of just tapping the ball in the goal...
To be honest, Carroll has been a joke all season.
Not sure you know what this word means.
But isn't a headbutt "excessive force". It wasn't a push, it was beyond that which would fall under excessive IMO. Players push eachother in confrontations all the time. Shit's standard. Headbutting is definitely crossing the line, irrelevant if you broke his nose or made light contact. The intent to headbutt was there.
Fellow Liverpool fans, do not worry. This is all part of King Kenny's elaborate grand scheme for premier league domination. He's quite clearly instructed Carroll, Downing and the rest of the team to play far below their potential for this season, predicting that our rivals will get complacent, and that they will be lulled in to a false sense of security.
Next season, the full force of our team will be unleashed, lead by future PotS, Andrew Carroll.
Next season, the full force of our team will be unleashed, lead by future PotS, Andrew Carroll.
Vivalaraza
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Can see the argument for Reina's red being harsh now actually. Perch's reaction certainly played its part but I still think Reina has to share a portion of the blame. I don't think it'll get rescinded simply because Reina's movement was "aggressive" and the FA will focus on that.
At the start of the year Liverpool were 2 points clear of Arsenal. Now 16 behind. Crazy.
At the start of the year Liverpool were 2 points clear of Arsenal. Now 16 behind. Crazy.
I would love Rafa back.
I understand you guys are used to excuses, but admit that players shouldn't be headbutting each other.
Anyway you guys have a trophy in the bag, it's not all doom and gloom.
What type of force is not excessive when challenging off the ball? Is going for a headbutt/leading with head or whatever not excessive?
BBC suggests the Possession was 52-48, shots were 11-9 and on target was 7-6. So really quite equal. Liverpool of course did not do enough to win the game as they did not score, but in the end they were denied a clear penalty and sending off, Newcastle scored a goal that was miles offside & Reina was sent off for an outrageous dive by Perch. There is no debate that the officiating was the major factor in this result for me.
I know you're better than that son - you watch a lot of football right? He has no hope - you cannot lean your head forward into another player like that. Perch's reaction was a joke - but it's a 100% red card.
Phoenix Fang
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If we do we'll end up buying crappy British players because they are the future. Bent and Defoe for £60 million. It's amazingly hilarious that Newcastle 3 front man cost less than Downing
José Mourinho
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I wanted to know what happens with him too. I have him in my team.
Edit: Folks, lets take our respective supporters blinkers off. Reina did not headbutt. He squared up and Perch took a dive. 100% convinced there was zero contact.
Excuses. Keep em coming.
Gareth Bale
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There is a debate. How do you define brutality on a football pitch? Also, how would you personally apply that rule to the Scholes example I gave earlier?
they said that there will be a press conference at 16:30 which usually means that the coach is sacked... but cologne decided to troll the press and just said that he still gets a chance
Yes made a mistake but he shouldn't have subbed off, he actually did quite after that incident, shelvey or flanagan should have gone. And most importanly you dont embarres him like that getting jeered off.
That was one of the strangest games I've seen in a long time. Don't think we really deserved to be humiliated to that extent, but our ability to squander chances and mentally collapse is frightening.
Need to get out of the way my disgust at certain events. Firstly, Carroll flopping to the floor when he had a clear chance at goal. That, combined with his limp performance and stropping down the tunnel has put him beyond repair with me. Hope we just ship him out in the summer, he's a bad footballer, end of. Secondly Cabaye dropping to the floor when Suarez didn't even touch him, clearly just trying to get Suarez in the ref's book. And finally Perch. I was actually planning to come on here and praise the guy because he had a really good game, but that was embarrassing, and just as bad as anything Suarez has done to earn mass vitriol in this thread.
As for the game itself, Newcastle's first goal was stunning. Can't defend that, perfect cross and an equally exquisite header. Their second perhaps should've been cleared, perhaps it could've been offside, but it was another nice move.
The only positive from our point of view was Shelvey. He was our best midfielder, and I can't fathom how he hasn't played more this season, especially with the likes of Henderson and Adam doing fuck all in the midfield.
Really think the club needs to re-evaluate in the Summer. This isn't just a blip, it's an indication that we aren't at a level anywhere near fourth place, and I can't realistically see us at such a level for a few years, and that's with a change in approach to transfers. At this point I feel Dalglish has to resign at the end of the season. He was the man we needed to stop the rot last season, and he deserves credit for that, and for uniting the club, but I just don't feel he has the managerial nouse to turn this around and take the club in the right direction going forwards.
On the plus side my nan gave me £100, so I'm going to chomp away my sorrows in Nandos in a couple of hours.
Need to get out of the way my disgust at certain events. Firstly, Carroll flopping to the floor when he had a clear chance at goal. That, combined with his limp performance and stropping down the tunnel has put him beyond repair with me. Hope we just ship him out in the summer, he's a bad footballer, end of. Secondly Cabaye dropping to the floor when Suarez didn't even touch him, clearly just trying to get Suarez in the ref's book. And finally Perch. I was actually planning to come on here and praise the guy because he had a really good game, but that was embarrassing, and just as bad as anything Suarez has done to earn mass vitriol in this thread.
As for the game itself, Newcastle's first goal was stunning. Can't defend that, perfect cross and an equally exquisite header. Their second perhaps should've been cleared, perhaps it could've been offside, but it was another nice move.
The only positive from our point of view was Shelvey. He was our best midfielder, and I can't fathom how he hasn't played more this season, especially with the likes of Henderson and Adam doing fuck all in the midfield.
Really think the club needs to re-evaluate in the Summer. This isn't just a blip, it's an indication that we aren't at a level anywhere near fourth place, and I can't realistically see us at such a level for a few years, and that's with a change in approach to transfers. At this point I feel Dalglish has to resign at the end of the season. He was the man we needed to stop the rot last season, and he deserves credit for that, and for uniting the club, but I just don't feel he has the managerial nouse to turn this around and take the club in the right direction going forwards.
On the plus side my nan gave me £100, so I'm going to chomp away my sorrows in Nandos in a couple of hours.
Vivalaraza
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Don't think the offside call is as clear cut as you think. It definitely touched somebody on the way through. Question is was Cisse in a seperate phase of play.
I'm inclined to think its still offside but it's certainly not entirely obvious.
The Friendly Monster
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There's no point arguing, the refs will always give that as a red though, and rightly so.
Liverpool really can't have any complaints about that.
Broder Salsa
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Dame N'Doye goal muthafuckers.
With the way things seems to happen in Cologne I bet the intention was to sack him but they changed their mind in the last minute.
With the way things seems to happen in Cologne I bet the intention was to sack him but they changed their mind in the last minute.
That's not an argument, that is just you writing a sentence.
Unable to dispute my points. Keep em coming.
See, i can do it too
Meus Renaissance
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It depends on the force you headbutt. Sometimes in situations like that people push their head (it was described earlier as "lean") towards the opponent - we've seen players put their foreheads together in the past by staring at each other but one of them drops like a brick to give the impression of a forceful headbutt, which was what Reina was complaining about and what Perch was trying to manufacture with his fall.
An example of a brutal/excessive act is when a player kicks out an opponent, similar to what Rooney did for England a few months ago.
I'd have him back in a heartbeat. World class manager, capable of building a team that can consistently challenge in the Champions League. Tactically well ahead of the game and I think he'll learn from his past mistakes as far as man management goes. Don't care if others in this thread or in the footballing world can't appreciate him, he's a top manager, and loves the club.
Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish on his side's 2-0 defeat by Newcastle, which continues their dismal league form: "The boys have shown frustration and that's probably why Pepe Reina was sent off. It was the frustration of being behind. When Andy Carroll comes off and runs up tunnel it purely disappointment and frustration. It all very well having that but we have to manage that and channel it in proper way. If we don't stick together and have trust in each other it is going to be a lot more difficult."
Frank the Great
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lol inturd, now everyone will start pretending that they are "back" because they squeaked by a shitty genoa side at home
that was a really fun game to watch though, to be fair. that is far more than can be said for inter under ranieri, which was one of the most boring and uninspired teams i've ever seen.
that was a really fun game to watch though, to be fair. that is far more than can be said for inter under ranieri, which was one of the most boring and uninspired teams i've ever seen.
When I read your offside excuse I didn't feel like disputing, because I'd have to call the FA or whoever makes the rules and tell them to change it.
QFT
Gareth Bale
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I hate when we play at this time on a Sunday. All of you are watching, and all of you want us to lose.
The_Hitcher89
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I'd have Rafa back today. Honestly hope we get him in the summer, even if we win the FA Cup
Tim the Wiz
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The contrast between Liverpool and Newcastle's intelligence in the transfer market lately is pretty telling, with the former largely funding the latter. I especially can't believe Liverpool didn't make retaining the services of Raul Meireles a priority, if anything of what he's said about the gentleman's agreement to raise his wages after a good first season are true. Some of Daglish's tactical choices have been downright confusing, too.
an attempt to headbutt is a red card... there was contact and it was stupid by Reina. Yes the newcastle player shouldn't drop to the ground like that but it happens all the damn time.
Anyone trying to say the ref had any other choice is wrong. Is not like the clashed foreheads, Reina lowered his and hit Perch on the nose.
Also Kenny has shown that he does not have the tactics to coach at this level.. imo anyway
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