Football Thread 2012/13 |OT| The Beautiful Game

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Good to see the Chevvy deal is as Reuters reported it. I was pretty sure it was correct, the figures were so exact and sourced from Detroit itself.

Problem is we won't see much of that money. I expect the Glazers to pocket the down payment. Still more income which is only good for us really.

Very dodgy deal no doubt. UEFA should have a look at it, problem is they won't find anything. City's deal on the hand, it's quite possible they find some links there. Either way, action wont be taken on either front so I'll take the dodgy deal.
 
Vivalaraza said:
Good to see the Chevvy deal is as Reuters reported it. I was pretty sure it was correct, the figures were so exact and sourced from Detroit itself.

Problem is we won't see much of that money. I expect the Glazers to pocket the down payment. Still more income which is only good for us really.

Very dodgy deal no doubt. UEFA should have a look at it, problem is they won't find anything. City's deal on the hand, it's quite possible they find some links there. Either way, action wont be taken on either front so I'll take the dodgy deal.
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I don't see why it is dodgy, GM spend close to $5 billion every year on marketing and have been looking to cut that down, $70 million a year sponsoring a team who are on TV, newspapers and websites around the world(particularly in Asia) isn't that out of the ordinary and not a huge expense for Chevrolet. Santander pay a similar amount per year to sponsor Scuderia Ferrari as their main sponsor.

Happy birthday Wilbury!
 
Jensen said:
I don't see why it is dodgy, GM spend close to $5 billion every year on marketing and have been looking to cut that down, $70 million a year sponsoring a team who are on TV, newspapers and websites around the world(particularly in Asia) isn't that out of the ordinary and not a huge expense for Chevrolet. Santander pay a similar amount per year to sponsor Scuderia Ferrari as their main sponsor.

Happy birthday Wilbury!
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I think the main reasoning being it's just so extraordinarily high in comparison to "the norm." Even jumping to $50m would have been eye-popping for the sport. I don't think the amount is that high personally due to how much advertisers spend here in the US (what is it, like $3 million for 30 seconds during the Super Bowl now?) but there are different scales here than in the UK typically.
 
Jensen said:
I don't see why it is dodgy, GM spend close to $5 billion every year on marketing and have been looking to cut that down, $70 million a year sponsoring a team who are on TV, newspapers and websites around the world(particularly in Asia) isn't that out of the ordinary and not a huge expense for Chevrolet. Santander pay a similar amount per year to sponsor Scuderia Ferrari as their main sponsor.

Happy birthday Wilbury!
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The circumstance around the deal leads me to believe that something isn't right there. The way it was (or wasn't) announced and that they sacked the man responsible for the deal is very strange.

I'm not sure exactly how these companies work out the cost effectiveness of such deals but it is just so far out ahead of everything else that unless there is some additional bonus there...I can't figure out how it makes sense to pay that much.

Also didn't Chevy just pull out from Superbowl advertising because it was too exp? This deal doesn't strike me as one they simply had to go for.

I'm just speculating really. You're right though, if any club could pull in such a deal it's United. What will be interesting is to see where it stands in 7 years time. If its a fair valuation it will pull other genuine deals along with it.
 
Vivalaraza said:
The circumstance around the deal leads me to believe that something isn't right there. The way it was (or wasn't) announced and that they sacked the man responsible for the deal is very strange.

I'm not sure exactly how these companies work out the cost effectiveness of such deals but it is just so far out ahead of everything else that unless there is some additional bonus there...I can't figure out how it makes sense to pay that much.

Also didn't Chevy just pull out from Superbowl advertising because it was too exp? This deal doesn't strike me as one they simply had to go for.

I'm just speculating really. You're right though, if any club could pull in such a deal it's United. What will be interesting is to see where it stands in 7 years time. If its a fair valuation it will pull other genuine deals along with it.
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Dunno about Chevy pulling out of Chevy ad's in the Superbowl but during the halftime show Rob Dyrdek 'kickflipped' a Chevy car on MTV..... And it was 10X better than the halftime show of the actual Superbowl.
 
Yeah, there are a couple of people saying that it's unclear where the deal will stand in relation to others in a few years, but by god it's an excellently timed deal to cut.
 
K1LLER7 said:
So with the IPO (if it succeeds) and this Chevy deal. How much are United/Glazers expecting?
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IPO proceeds we already know about.

With the Chevy deal, impossible to know really. The deal itself doesnt start for another 2 years so that money won't even be rolling in for another 2 years yet. If there is an early downpayment we won't know about it or how much it is until next summer at the earliest when the years financial results are published...and at that point we might not even know what it's been used for.
 
Vivalaraza said:
The circumstance around the deal leads me to believe that something isn't right there. The way it was (or wasn't) announced and that they sacked the man responsible for the deal is very strange.

I'm not sure exactly how these companies work out the cost effectiveness of such deals but it is just so far out ahead of everything else that unless there is some additional bonus there...I can't figure out how it makes sense to pay that much.

Also didn't Chevy just pull out from Superbowl advertising because it was too exp? This deal doesn't strike me as one they simply had to go for.

I'm just speculating really. You're right though, if any club could pull in such a deal it's United. What will be interesting is to see where it stands in 7 years time. If its a fair valuation it will pull other genuine deals along with it.
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The marketing chief's dismissal was very strange, although Tim the Wiz did post that article that suggested it is due to the word Chevrolet not being included on the kit which would be hilarious if that is true.

I'm guessing Chevrolet are cutting back US advertising in favour of trying to grow their brand in Asia (same reason why AIG and Aon both decided to sponsor us).

Still is a huge figure but I wouldn't be surprised to see Madrid, Bayern and Barcelona earning similar amounts by 2021. In the last 3-4 years every new sponsorship deal announced with a big club always seems to be a world record.
 
Arnie said:
yea, it's the highlight of my day

fucksake, missed the start of Bourne Identity because I was watching Geordie Shore.
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why would you do this

Coincidentally I've just finished watching BI on Blu ray. Fucking love the Bourne trilogy. It's just so ridiculously cool. Even the switch from the last scene to the credits when Extreme Ways kicks in, just class. Hnnnngh.
 
Vivalaraza said:
IPO proceeds we already know about.

With the Chevy deal, impossible to know really. The deal itself doesnt start for another 2 years so that money won't even be rolling in for another 2 years yet. If there is an early downpayment we won't know about it or how much it is until next summer at the earliest when the years financial results are published...and at that point we might not even know what it's been used for.
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Ah thanks, wasn't the down payment rumoured to be close to $100m a while back. Knowing the Glazers they'll definitely pocket themselves a large amount.
 
Is there any data on how much money the Glazers have taken out of the club, not including their salaries, not including interest payments, just directly in to their pocket?
 
LegoArmo said:
Is there any data on how much money the Glazers have taken out of the club, not including their salaries, not including interest payments, just directly in to their pocket?
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The link laboured has posted is where you'll find it. You'll have to trawl through all the annual accounts and sum it up. Pre IPO id guess it's less than £100m. Somewhere between £50m and £100m.
 
Wilbury said:
Hopefully I hit puberty sometime this year. Cheers lads.
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Don't worry, it will happen sooner or later, but it's much better when you don't have to clean up after a good session. Happy birthday.

dc89 said:
Nothing better to do with my Friday night than listen to the ukulele orchestra of GB.

Also from the Gaming side, anyone else find the attributes of the poster with this game slightly disturbing?

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No anime pillow? Disappointing.
 
It's all interesting stuff. Surely it would be more in their interest to pay down the debt, then start pocketing the clubs new found massive profits yearly, rather than just pocket the money directly.

Or they could be looking to sell soon.
 
LegoArmo said:
It's all interesting stuff. Surely it would be more in their interest to pay down the debt, then start pocketing the clubs new found massive profits yearly, rather than just pocket the money directly.

Or they could be looking to sell soon.
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It depends if they're playing the long game or not, as you say.

If they're looking to stick around then yes, lowering interest payments means that they could take...£20m out of the club every year and still leave over a considerable amount to keep the club extremely competitive.

We obv don't know whether they plan to stick around or not.

The problem is that it's likely they do want to stick around, only they need alot of cash now because they have other debts to pay down. It's not possible to prove that but floating an IPO in such stormy seas is a pretty desperate move. There are also reports that their personal businesses' are struggling and it's also likely they took out a loan to pay down the PIK debts which they will have to repay eventually.

I think that they originally planned to do what you say, and then at some point float and rake in a whole load of money before taking a continuous flow of money out of the club (whilst keeping it competitive) and then sell up when the value got really high. Problem has been the unforeseen circumstances such as the financial crisis and also, the influx of money from the likes of City.
 
Arnie said:
Xabi Alonso just recommended the band Pavement on Twitter, giving them a listen now and they're pretty good, that man just can't do any wrong.
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Lol Arnie you seriously crack me up some times. Pavement is there with Dinosaur Jr and the Pixies as one of the most well-loved indie rock bands of the early 90s. The way you talk about legendary groups ("eh? Who's this bob Dylan lad?") I nearly piss my pants giggling at.

If you like Pavement you should check out the music that was influenced by them. Spoon (A Series of Sneaks), Enon, The Dismemberment Plan, The Wrens, etc.
 
odd_morsel said:
Lol Arnie you seriously crack me up some times. Pavement is there with Dinosaur Jr and the Pixies as one of the most well-loved indie rock bands of the early 90s. The way you talk about legendary groups ("eh? Who's this bob Dylan lad?") I nearly piss my pants giggling at.

If you like Pavement you should check out the music that was influenced by them. Spoon (A Series of Sneaks), Enon, The Dismemberment Plan, The Wrens, etc.
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I wish I could go back and pretend I didn't know who Dylan was and listen to him again for the first time. Made my dick harder than his wiry hair.

New album out soon. Hopefully its better than Together Through Life, wasn't a patch on Time Out Of Mind/Love & Theft/Modern Times
 
The standard is so low though -__-

If they aren't tweeting
dat new rihanna trakk iz hot!! ur my girl rihanna #r&b #nudephotos

Then I'm impressed.
 
Salazar said:
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Yoga with Alex Morgan

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Hot, but those Tumblr gifs have to go... Everyone here has YouTubeMe! Just link a vid.

EDIT:

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Vivalaraza said:
Good to see the Chevvy deal is as Reuters reported it. I was pretty sure it was correct, the figures were so exact and sourced from Detroit itself.

Problem is we won't see much of that money. I expect the Glazers to pocket the down payment. Still more income which is only good for us really.

Very dodgy deal no doubt. UEFA should have a look at it, problem is they won't find anything. City's deal on the hand, it's quite possible they find some links there. Either way, action wont be taken on either front so I'll take the dodgy deal.
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A number of you guys are becoming overly pessimistic about everything, I think. GM's marketing budget is in the billions, no doubt; and United is a pretty decent unified marketing strategy in the overseas market for an American company.

Just caught up with Fergie's comments and some of the accusations that went his way in the press leading up to them. Nothing wrong with the question being asked, but it seems like quite a few people were making assumptions and going to the worst case scenario. You'd think after all the years he's given the club, he'd get some benefit of the doubt - at least until the facts became clear.

Obviously the Glazers have been leaching off the club - and with their other business interests in the toilet, I'm sure it'll continue - but there's a touch of hysteria about some of the (justifiable) backlash. Concern is reasonable, pressure should be placed on them so long as the debt and interest payments weigh down the club, but things like MUST asking for a boycott of United sponsors is absurd.
 
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