aaaaaaaaaaaa7654
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Possession stats mean nothing.
Watch the game again, everton played some great one touch football.
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Football Thread 2012/13 |OT2| @agent_89: My sources tell me the season has started
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Possession stats mean nothing.
Watch the game again, everton played some great one touch football.
Don't you have it the other way around? The team is built around getting the best out of Rooney. Kagawa was stepping on Rooney's toes for much of the match and didn't see as much of the ball as he could have because Rooney was always the preferred option for passes.
Vivalaraza
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Go back to earlier this evening and there's a post where Laboured says he hates players playing out of position and I say it's Fergie's #1 hobby.
That's basically why.
Genuinely have a defensive crisis at the moment but even so Carrick has had very very few if any good games at CB so I too would now rather look at a young player and risk it, cos we more or less know Carrick can't play there.
Valencia too is a bad bad RB.
Front 3 were shocking. Never looked like scoring the way they played. Valencia should be back on the wing if Nani keeps his shit form going. Welbeck should be happy with a place on the bench, as RVP has to start the next game.
Kagawa and De Gea were pretty good, midfield had a lot of the ball but very little movement upfront made it hard to create chances. Rooney dropped deep too often. Hopefully Evans is back for the next game.
Kagawa and De Gea were pretty good, midfield had a lot of the ball but very little movement upfront made it hard to create chances. Rooney dropped deep too often. Hopefully Evans is back for the next game.
KidA Seven
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Positives: Shinji and De Gea
Negatives: Rppmey, Nani, Cleverley, everyone else
Negatives: Rppmey, Nani, Cleverley, everyone else
aaaaaaaaaaaa7654
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I thought kagawa had a good game, he's going to be great for united.
Never said it was.
If Everton 'defended' that well every game you'd have a point but they don't.
Everton had a great deal of chances tonight. Should have won by a couple to be honest.
Not the stuff of would be champions. Early days of course, but the same unresolved issues arose tonight. I used to watch UTD and be confident they'd steam roll their way past teams. But things feel different now. They seem open, very open.
Not the stuff of would be champions. Early days of course, but the same unresolved issues arose tonight. I used to watch UTD and be confident they'd steam roll their way past teams. But things feel different now. They seem open, very open.
Vivalaraza
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Some of the new guys are only meeting doicare now.
This will be tedious...
This will be tedious...
That's how it unfolded tonight and we created fuck all.
But the team isn't built around Rooney's preference to stay deep. He's been a more traditional forward before, and he should revert to that role and score many of the goals he would have assisted last season. Otherwise there's no point in someone of Kagawa's quality being there.
Morrison looks like he's thrown up on himself there.
Was. Now Kagawa has arrived and he our creator Rooney should be our outlet for goals and not creativity. Habits are hard to break they will take a few matches to gel but once they do it will be fascinating to watch. We saw evidence of that once or twice.
And I was hoping Valencia would play at RB but that would not work we saw that tonight. We need to drop Nani and keep Val as our no.1 winger
So what, you think you just got unlucky that you caught them on a good night? You got absolutely battered. Everton created the better chances and were unlucky to hit the bar twice. De Gea was the only one keeping you in the game for the first half.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Tbh Vidic doesn't look up to speed either, also looks underweight.
I wasn't having a dig at Liverpool, it was more wishful thinking.
2 good chances came from Kagawa staying in the hole. Rooney has to learn that that's Kagawa's position and he should stay up top to allow Kagawa to feed him.
Stop underrating Kagawa because he along with DDG were the stand-out United players. Rooney practically did nothing in the match while Kagawa attacked spaces and made vital passes. I really have a feeling that RVP would have finished that chance Welbeck wasted.
Probably the blood of one of his assault victims.
I have to watch True Blood.
I'm not. But the sheer number of crosses made that went straight to an opposing player was incredible.
I really shouldn't respond to you but I'm bored so whatever.
Then why bring up their 31% possession? What relevance does it have? None.
Teams don't play identically in different games. Surprise surprise.
Give it a rest. Every time Man Utd lose or under perform you are in here with terrible excuses and strangely wonder why nobody agrees with you or shares the same opinion.
Everton played well and deserved the three points. Move on.
The problem is that Rooney isn't all that good as a creative player. His passing a first touch is just too erratic. As a striker he is world class but we now have a better player to fill the creative role behind the striker.
Welbeck shouldn't have played on the wing either.
FootballFan
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So pretty much Kagawa and De Gea were the only impressive players. Disappointing start from ManUnited. 10 more days to buy players, or just wait for injured players to return(lol)
Doubt anyone thinks ManUnited has the best strikeforce in the world, that is clearly Madrid or Barca, or even Bayern. Villa-Messi-Sanchez, Ronaldo-Benzema-Ozil, Ribery-Gomez/Mandzukic-Robben are better. But if you meant premier league then yeah maybe.
Couldn't even score 1 goal past Everton is a bit harsh too, RVP played 20minutes. Carrick at CB wasn't helping either. And an opinion that probably isn't very popular with the ManUnited-GAF, Scholes should just retire, atm he is a smaller version of Shawcross that has vision and knows how to pass. His pace, positioning, stamina etc is just not good enough anymore.
Imagine if Yaya was in that midfield for United..lol. His sort of speed, strength and midfield presence is what they need most imo.
Doubt anyone thinks ManUnited has the best strikeforce in the world, that is clearly Madrid or Barca, or even Bayern. Villa-Messi-Sanchez, Ronaldo-Benzema-Ozil, Ribery-Gomez/Mandzukic-Robben are better. But if you meant premier league then yeah maybe.
Couldn't even score 1 goal past Everton is a bit harsh too, RVP played 20minutes. Carrick at CB wasn't helping either. And an opinion that probably isn't very popular with the ManUnited-GAF, Scholes should just retire, atm he is a smaller version of Shawcross that has vision and knows how to pass. His pace, positioning, stamina etc is just not good enough anymore.
Imagine if Yaya was in that midfield for United..lol. His sort of speed, strength and midfield presence is what they need most imo.
If United has to get anything from this, it's that they have to stop being predictable and attack more from the middle and not only the wings. Most of our good chances came through the middle with Kagawa.
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He's trying to find the receipt for RVP
Would love to see Everton play like that all the time though, I really would. They played shit for 3 months last year, done City over and played brilliantly, then lost to West Brom at home or something, you know?
If they can keep that up all year I wouldn't be surprised if they finish 5th.
If they can keep that up all year I wouldn't be surprised if they finish 5th.
He's busy belting Berbatov in the face for no reason.
Vivalaraza
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This did happen but I personally put the blame on Rooney for that, because it seemed like his role was to lead the line and although I'm sure he was told to float...he kept dropping too deep and so basically ran into the same positions as Kagawa.
Once they did get the ball in those areas...Kagawa actually played some nice passes whereas Rooney just did nothing of note all night really.
I didn't imply you were.
Was a bit strange leaving Carrick to mark Fellaini after he had been dominating in the air. Maybe Vidic didn't fancy it.
What?
I said that if just one of those crosses was anywhere near a United player then you'd have a point; every cross was miles away from a United head, Everton didn't even need 10 men behind the ball, they defend like that anyway. Or are you seriously doubting Everton's general aerial ability?
LabouredSubterfuge
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Yup yup.
Too many players playing out of position. Left wing was nullified by our own tactics.
Roon dropping deep was infuriating too.
He's a new signing - he's just come in the team and played his first competitive match and he's already your creator? I don't understand this. He comes from a different league, he's been played out of position and while he showed some great quality on the ball, but he was only present to play a few forward passes and make runs here and there. He created one real clear cut chance, and could have done more if he had the ball more, but they didn't pass to him, but he's not ready to be United's main creative force.
DangerousMali
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Fellani has heart...and only knows how to play one way. Carroll couldn't do that if his live depended on it.
I suspect he thinks he better than he really is.
Kagawa was good not question...anybody questioning his worth is looking in the wrong place.
Shake Appeal
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Since arriving at Juve he's won a Supercoppa Italia and a Trofeo Luigi Berlusconi. Not a bad haul for preseason...
FootballFan
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lol don't ignore the other part! That makes me look mean. I said "he just isn't good enough anymore"
DangerousMali
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based on what? he should of had atleast 1 assist today
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