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Football Thread 2012/13 |OT2| @agent_89: My sources tell me the season has started

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Broder Salsa

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Mumei said:
... Well those gifs certainly look painful.
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Well now you are just making me go all popgaf

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There's something weirdly satisfying about games that goes nuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwd5oCMuyFg
 
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The_Hitcher89

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Is this the first transfer since twitter was invented that has actually been completely unpredicted?

Still need another winger, and that's assuming that this new guy turns out OK
 
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Wessiej

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WHAT. So Assaidi is saying he WANTS to play for Ajax and that he is going to sign a contract there and now he's going to FUCKING LIVERPOOL. Well everybody, I'm out.
 
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Wilbur

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Wessiej said:
WHAT. So Assaidi is saying he WANTS to play for Ajax and that he is going to sign a contract there and now he's going to FUCKING LIVERPOOL. Well everybody, I'm out.
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To be fair there's as much access to prostitutes in Liverpool as there is in Amsterdam.

DAT CATERPILLAR EYEBROWZ

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dc89

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faridmon said:
OK, now you are moving to Kyofou territory.

WTF?
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I can't stand Frimpong and his sudden hatred for players who leave Arsenal.

Wilbury said:
:lol

Kyoufu, how doth you respond to this accusation that you are kinsman with dc4'33 and the young squire Samir
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Squire Samir. I like it.

Kyoufu said:
I don't like dc3:16 after he changed his avatar. :(
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It will come back soon enough! He's gone on a business trip.
 
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Salvadora

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Manchester United deal for Robin van Persie can't mask Glazers' intentions

Manchester United's signing of Robin van Persie has delivered a blast of the ambition which the glory, glory football club is supposed to stand for, after a summer dominated by the shabby details of its owners' float on the New York Stock Exchange. To make sense of United since the US-based Glazer family bought the club and loaded it with £525m borrowings in 2005, it has always been instructive to wonder where the Reds would be had the US corporate raid never happened.

The signing of Van Persie is the boldest of statements for the forthcoming Premier League season, and a reminder of what might have been, if the Glazers had not inflicted their leveraged takeover on United, which has since cost the club over £550m in interest, fees and charges. Van Persie is United's first truly major signing of an outfield player – with due respect to Ashley Young and Phil Jones – since the club paid £30.75m for Dimitar Berbatov on 31 August 2008. That was the day Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al-Nahyan bought Manchester City, and from then, with Mansour intent on pouring almost £1bn in, the opposite of the Glazers' financial drain, United's signings have been eclipsed by City's.

Sir Alex Ferguson's justifications have never quite convinced; his assertion that the owners, whom he pronounced "great" this summer, have made enough money available to him but he declined to spend it because there was "no value in the market." The transfer market can be considered obscenely inflated, but it works both ways and United never spent the £80m received from Real Madrid for Cristiano Ronaldo on replacement players of similar class. Instead, the enduring Portuguese puzzle of Bébé aside, Ferguson signed good players of promise including Jones, Young, Chris Smalling and Javier Hernández. The manager repeatedly insisted he was not inhibited by the Glazers' draining the finances, but asserted he was only interested in footballers of youth, who would develop.

The hauling of the 37-year-old Paul Scholes out of retirement last season, while City were powered to the title by his world class opponent in midfield, Yaya Touré, 28, bought for £24m, exposed United's vulnerability from successive seasons of declining to land established stars. The Van Persie signing, bitter for Arsenal, swipes that away; he is 29, and is being bought for what he can do now.

So this is a taste of the buying power and the A grade ambition United could be expected to have wielded had the Glazers not swooped in 2005 to buy what they describe, in their heart-sinking flotation prospectus, as "one of the world's most recognisable brands." The acquisition of Van Persie came a week after the flotation was finally achieved, at a reduced price of $14 per share, the jarring re-registering of the famous Manchester United in the Cayman Islands tax haven, and the choice of New York to trade its shares.

United's Old Trafford-based chief executive, David Gill, and London-office sited vice-chairman Edward Woodward, have pointed in support of the Glazer ownership to United's much-envied sponsorship deals and doubling of income, from £159m in the eleven months to 30 June 2005, to £331m for the year to 30 June 2011. However critics, most prominently the Manchester United Supporters Trust, who campaign for a genuine fans' stake in the club, have always argued bitterly that the Glazers' running of United is designed to serve the family itself.

Malcolm Glazer and his six children, "lineal descendants" as the flotation document bloodlessly described them, have conducted a text-book example of a leveraged buyout, loading the money they borrowed to buy the club on to United itself to repay. Amid all the detail, and widespread criticism, of the New York float, for offering to traders a club still £423m in debt despite the £550m drained out since 2005, two points are most central to understanding it.

Following the worldwide attention focused on the financial manoeuvrings, which came after an abandoned plan last year to float in Singapore, the Glazers ultimately only floated 10% of Manchester United in New York. When they announced on 3 July their plan to float, the Glazers stated that all the money raised would be from selling new shares, and would be used to pay down the debts they loaded on the club. "We intend to use all of our net proceeds from this offering to reduce our indebtedness," the original prospectus, said.

When the flotation actually happened last week, it turned out that the Glazers had changed their intention, and in fact were helping themselves to half the proceeds. They sold some of their shares, and only issued five per cent new shares. Of the $220m (£140m) earned from selling the Manchester United (Cayman Islands) shares to investors, only $110m (£70m) has ultimately been banked by United. The Glazer family themselves have been paid the other £70m.

Reducing the debt by only £70m after all this fuss and effort, at 8.75% annual interest, will save United £6m in interest a year. As the investment analyst and critic of the Glazer leveraged buyout Andy Green has pointed out, the saving in interest is exceeded by the $12m (£7.7m) it has cost United in lawyers and other fees to float, following the £7m costs incurred for the aborted flotation in Singapore. The costs of hocking United around the world are coming out of the club's share of the proceeds, not the Glazer family's.

The US-based venture capitalist Michael Moritz, who has financially backed companies with huge growth prospects including Google, has repeatedly been scathing about United's float. He has insisted that the Glazers' financial draining of United for their own interests should be considered by the old-fashioned description: asset-stripping. Although the Glazers never explain themselves publicly, Ferguson, Gill and Woodward have always defended their running of United. Now, with Van Persie, United have found the money to sign a genuinely top class, fully-formed footballing asset, for the first time in years.
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Let's bring you all back down to earth.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/aug/16/manchester-united-van-persie-glazers
 
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Wessiej

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Mastadon said:
Wessie, wait!

Is he any good? :p
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He is, but I hope he never gets to play right now.

Since when is Liverpool in Holland btw? He didn't want to leave Holland because his dad has died and he didn't want to go to a club for money, just play in the top of the Dutch league. Ugh, jesus christ.
 
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Clegg

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Salvadora said:
Manchester United deal for Robin van Persie can't mask Glazers' intentions
Let's bring you all back down to earth.
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Can't give a fuck. We've just signed the current POTY.

David Conn is also a madly in love with City.

His columns on United aren't worth shit.
 
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Mastadon

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Reducing the debt by only �70m after all this fuss and effort, at 8.75% annual interest, will save United �6m in interest a year. As the investment analyst and critic of the Glazer leveraged buyout Andy Green has pointed out, the saving in interest is exceeded by the $12m (�7.7m) it has cost United in lawyers and other fees to float, following the �7m costs incurred for the aborted flotation in Singapore.
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Oops! :lol
 
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Vivalaraza

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Conn is a City fan, he just mad.

Seriously though, all his points are correct and valid ones....but pretty weird timing for that piece. Nothing new to report really...just sounds like "You got RVP...but remember this! Hahaha".
 
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Wessiej

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I blame Raiola. Raiola signs Anita, Anita left in fucking 4 days. Assaidi is under him, and so long to him, to the dollars he goes. Van der Wiel now has Raiola too since a week, so he will be gone in 4 days I guess.
 
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Willkiller

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Wessiej said:
I blame Raiola. Raiola signs Anita, Anita's leaving in fucking 4 days. Assaidi is under him, well goodbye to the dollars. Van der Wiel now has Raiola too since a week, so he will be gone in 4 days I guess.
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To us? Yey!

I don't think we'll get any other singings :(
 
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dc89

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Wilbury said:
No different than many you've signed. Toure, Tevez and Aguero especially will be on similar contracts.
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The difference is United are hundreds of millions of pounds in debt because the owners are parasites.

Or rather City's owners just give them the money for those transfers.

Both actually. Both are true statements.
 
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LegoArmo

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United can spend, pay interest, and still post profits. So that article is basically "Haha, you could spend even more if you had better owners!".

Well duh. I'm happy.
 
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Salvadora

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Lightning said:
If this is actually true then I don't care if we don't get Sahin. I want Jack back badly and would rather see him, a loyal player, playing then Sahin on loan just to further his RM career.
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I'm pessimistic. He's had enough setbacks that I wouldn't be surprised if Arsenal took some precautions in case anything goes wrong. Don't want to be caught out.

Wilbury said:
Let's all do a David Conn and remind Liverpool fans of the last notable Moroccan in the Premier League
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I was going to make that point but realized I wouldn't know who was laughing at who.
 
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Clegg

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dc89 said:
Isn't the RVP deal (fee & Wages over contract length) more expensive than what is recouped by the IPO?
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And?

We're not paying RVP his entire contracts worth of wages in one go.

I really can't see what kind of point you're trying to make.
 
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