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Football Thread 2013/14 |OT20| I don't really give a shit what any title is
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Milchmonster
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The thing with Pep is that he's still/back where he started with Bayern, I don't see much improvement.
It's pretty much the same weak defensive tactic he had when we beat Bayern in the Supercup last summer.
It's pretty much the same weak defensive tactic he had when we beat Bayern in the Supercup last summer.
I never noticed this in all my time watching him. But holy shit he does it all the time.
Man, Real Madrid were incredible last night. Deserved everything they got. Ronaldo is beastly and the power on that first Ramos header. They will take some stopping now. Bale has undoubtedly made them a much bigger threat going forward, him and Ronaldo are so quick on the counter.
Enjoy the final MadridGAF
We've been playing very narrow with the diamond in recent weeks + our play usually goes through the middle. When we would take the ball wide Chelsea's winger would essentially fulfill the role of a FB with the FBs + CBs being in a position to cut out any balls played into the box. It frustrated the players after a while.
We tried many things to be fair but couldn't break them down at the end of the day.
Defensive tactics are irrelevant to him. He uses the same tactics as LvG, you got to out-score the rival
I think in the tiki taka system you need players who have the ability to unlock the defenses with a single pass or single dribble.
Barca had Xavi and Iniesta to make that key pass and Messi to provide an amazing run to drag all the attention to himself and leave other players open.
Bayern even with all the amazing players they have lack that someone to provide this.
You can argue that Robben and Ribery have the ability to make those runs but Robben is too predictable sometimes and Schweini Lahm and Kroos lack the vision to provide the killer pass. Thiago is capable and Bayern really missed him.
Just my 2 cents.
Barca had Xavi and Iniesta to make that key pass and Messi to provide an amazing run to drag all the attention to himself and leave other players open.
Bayern even with all the amazing players they have lack that someone to provide this.
You can argue that Robben and Ribery have the ability to make those runs but Robben is too predictable sometimes and Schweini Lahm and Kroos lack the vision to provide the killer pass. Thiago is capable and Bayern really missed him.
Just my 2 cents.
I don't believe Dennis would go with him. That would only leave Jonk of the 'technical heart' at Ajax. It's like they would all abandon the plan the started with 3/4 years ago.
I will not go that way with you.
I like you as a poster here and I respect your opinion about Pep. Not feeling like fighting with a Bayern GAFer.
Grats to Madrid GAF!
Wonderful game and what great squad with a great coach you have this season. CR7 finally delivered. Well deserved final and incredible tournament so far. Great performance over both legs. And defeated the whole Bundeslolga. Never seen Bayern that helpless and I'm going to cheer for you in the final. Now win it pls!
@Bayern
Disgusting behavior from the "fans" leaving the stadium early. Such a No Go...
We cant always win and succeed, some people have apparently forgotten where we came from and thousands of people would have gave their last cent for a ticket to be there and cheer for their squad until the bitter end. We played a great season so far and made it to the semis three times in a row, but that is obviously not enough for all those event and success fans.
And fuck off Ribery! Shit performance and shit behavior on the pitch, at least have some dignity and accept it like a man that the opposition was better in every regard.
@Pep
Find the right fucking balance! This man completely lost it. 5 minutes in and we play with 10 man in Reals half with only 2 CBs playing against 3 rockets... Terrible, terrible defence at set pieces. 3 goals conceded because of shitty assignment who to cover. Müller leaves Ramos to make the run, then Dante doubles Ronaldo all of a sudden and leaves Ramos alone. Goddamnit, Boateng had Ronaldo covered there, he was in front of him, no need for Dante to completely lose Ramos there. Ribery plays the devastating pass into Bales feet, because Alaba isnt allowed to be full back anymore. As a result Ribery had nobody to pass the ball to and because Alaba wasnt on the wing, but in midfield, Bale could start his run against our slow CBs.
Its sad that, in two legs we basically had 0 chances to score a goal....
4-3-3 with Kroos and Schweinsteiger... What the hell is Pep doing. Martinez is a weapon and he keeps him on the bench when he is the most valuble player against such oppositions. 4-2-3-1 would have been the key with 6 defensive players against Reals counters, instead Pep played with 2 defenders...
Many, many things that were wrong on a tactical level were shamelessly revealed by Madrid yesterday and Pep has to do something. That boring tiki taka with no speed and overloading full backs, without a defensive midfield and an offence that doesnt exist is embarrassing. Dortmund is going to sodomize us again in 3 weeks if we keep playing like this. The players are good enough, they showed this for 4 years now, but the tactics and defensive assignment because his stupid 4-3-3 are going to kill him.
/rant
Wonderful game and what great squad with a great coach you have this season. CR7 finally delivered. Well deserved final and incredible tournament so far. Great performance over both legs. And defeated the whole Bundeslolga. Never seen Bayern that helpless and I'm going to cheer for you in the final. Now win it pls!
@Bayern
Disgusting behavior from the "fans" leaving the stadium early. Such a No Go...
We cant always win and succeed, some people have apparently forgotten where we came from and thousands of people would have gave their last cent for a ticket to be there and cheer for their squad until the bitter end. We played a great season so far and made it to the semis three times in a row, but that is obviously not enough for all those event and success fans.
And fuck off Ribery! Shit performance and shit behavior on the pitch, at least have some dignity and accept it like a man that the opposition was better in every regard.
@Pep
Find the right fucking balance! This man completely lost it. 5 minutes in and we play with 10 man in Reals half with only 2 CBs playing against 3 rockets... Terrible, terrible defence at set pieces. 3 goals conceded because of shitty assignment who to cover. Müller leaves Ramos to make the run, then Dante doubles Ronaldo all of a sudden and leaves Ramos alone. Goddamnit, Boateng had Ronaldo covered there, he was in front of him, no need for Dante to completely lose Ramos there. Ribery plays the devastating pass into Bales feet, because Alaba isnt allowed to be full back anymore. As a result Ribery had nobody to pass the ball to and because Alaba wasnt on the wing, but in midfield, Bale could start his run against our slow CBs.
Its sad that, in two legs we basically had 0 chances to score a goal....
4-3-3 with Kroos and Schweinsteiger... What the hell is Pep doing. Martinez is a weapon and he keeps him on the bench when he is the most valuble player against such oppositions. 4-2-3-1 would have been the key with 6 defensive players against Reals counters, instead Pep played with 2 defenders...
Many, many things that were wrong on a tactical level were shamelessly revealed by Madrid yesterday and Pep has to do something. That boring tiki taka with no speed and overloading full backs, without a defensive midfield and an offence that doesnt exist is embarrassing. Dortmund is going to sodomize us again in 3 weeks if we keep playing like this. The players are good enough, they showed this for 4 years now, but the tactics and defensive assignment because his stupid 4-3-3 are going to kill him.
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Ivan--Cahill--Terry--Azpil
----Ramires-----Luiz----
Schurrle--Oscar--Hazard
---------Eto'o---------
...is how we're likely to come out. I don't think Terry should start but I know he will. Cole should be out there for JT, with Ivanovic paired with Cahill in the middle.
Willian is one booking away from missing the final, so I don't think he starts. Or maybe he does and comes off at half time. I'm not sure. We're really thin with the ineligible players and suspensions.
I hope we score in the first half and can throw on Kalas, Ake or even Van Ginkel on and play three midfielders in front of the back four.
----Ramires-----Luiz----
Schurrle--Oscar--Hazard
---------Eto'o---------
...is how we're likely to come out. I don't think Terry should start but I know he will. Cole should be out there for JT, with Ivanovic paired with Cahill in the middle.
Willian is one booking away from missing the final, so I don't think he starts. Or maybe he does and comes off at half time. I'm not sure. We're really thin with the ineligible players and suspensions.
I hope we score in the first half and can throw on Kalas, Ake or even Van Ginkel on and play three midfielders in front of the back four.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Thing is Pep's strategy was never so inflexible as we saw last night.
Surely everyone remembers Barca's dismantling of Arsenal on the counter.
Surely everyone remembers Barca's dismantling of Arsenal on the counter.
I always thought Newcastle were excellent at acquiring some of the best talents for outrageously cheap prices. That is why I expected they would fill in Cabaye's position quite easily. I guess they did not prepare themselves enough for the fact that he was going to definitely leave this time.
As for Pardew, not the most inspiring of things to say! Stoke is an excellent example from your end, they having nothing to gain in the middle yet they usually fight like they will gain something and that is respectable indeed. (Southampton too!). When a team doesn't see eye to eye with the manager at all it could definitely spell trouble. Though if a lot of players are expecting to leave this summer then surely there is a lot of transfer activity to be made this summer, so many vital decisions to be made in one period. Let's see how it goes.
At this rate I'm curious if Newcastle will lose the next 2 in a row...that would be mad. They have not lost 6 in a row since 86/87 I think.
Shatner's Bassoon
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Ramires and Luiz, what can go wrong?
I reckon Willian will start regardless of his yellow card.
I reckon Willian will start regardless of his yellow card.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Moyes.
Shatner's Bassoon
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Vertonghen had a stinker of a season, didn't he?
Broder Salsa
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Willian is too important for the counter s and winning the ball up the pitch, to not start tonight.
Mikel is suspended right? Otherwise I would hope and think he would start too.
Mikel is suspended right? Otherwise I would hope and think he would start too.
True. Even at Barca he played with at least one defensive midfielder - Busquets.
He also had rather fast wingers with Alves and a truly great CB with Pique. That system worked because Iniesta and Xavi won many one on ones in 4-3-3 formation and had space to initiate attacks. Besides Thiago, there is nobody in Bayern squad that could play in midfield like this. Heynckes found the perfect strategy for this team and Pep brought us 3 years back to Luis van Gaals boring possession play.
I don't necessarily agree with you on that one. Personally, I think we were lacking a plan b (no, not that one Durham!) and it showed. We kept coming at them, and they kept shutting us down and clearing the ball. Luckily we can work on improving that area next season - both through squad depth and tactics.
Yep. Both Mikel and Lampard are suspended and we only have two CM's available, Ramires and Luiz, pretty much forcing us to play 4-2-3-1. Unless we want to give Van Ginkel a baptism of fire.
Broder Salsa
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Did someone say something about water bottles?
Mou kicked the shit out of some water bottle when Ba scored against PSG. Was a great moment.
Yeah... Well well, lets pray Ramires isn't a dumb fuck tonight. Can't believe he only just barely got back from his suspension against Villa to elbow some Sunderland cunt, he missed nearly all the last games now in the league.
We did though, imho, but we weren't necessarily trying the right things. Nor enough of the wrong ones to nick a goal.
We tried playing through the FBs, the middle, crossing it in, diagonal balls, etc. Sterling/Suarez/Coutinho were trying many things in the game early on until they got frustrated. There is a lot of work to be done, I agree, but we did try.
Billy Big Bollocks
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I am not the biggest fan of Ramires but don't forget he was the hero of our last CL semi final
all things considered, i think it's pretty impressive pep got bayern playing like they are with the players they have. with that said, to fully execute his playing style, he's going to need to bring in new players.
dante and boateng are not suited for this system. they're not good enough; they can't pass the ball around in the required tempo, and they're slow and immobile.
players like lahm, javi, schweinsteiger, muller, and kroos simply aren't creative enough to come up with solutions in the smallest of spaces. thiago alone isn't going to make a massive difference. robben and ribery keep running into a wall due to the incredibly low ball circulation in midfield. what they do well is that they do manage to keep the ball--but that's about it, really. sideways passing galore.
mandzukic is awful, and like so many other players, doesn't fit into the system. his replacement will be an improvement at least.
dante and boateng are not suited for this system. they're not good enough; they can't pass the ball around in the required tempo, and they're slow and immobile.
players like lahm, javi, schweinsteiger, muller, and kroos simply aren't creative enough to come up with solutions in the smallest of spaces. thiago alone isn't going to make a massive difference. robben and ribery keep running into a wall due to the incredibly low ball circulation in midfield. what they do well is that they do manage to keep the ball--but that's about it, really. sideways passing galore.
mandzukic is awful, and like so many other players, doesn't fit into the system. his replacement will be an improvement at least.
A more accurate depiction
No Mikel does suck. Feels odd saying that but he's actually been a great asset over the last month.
I would feel much better if this were available to us: http://a.pomf.se/bdeiha.webm
He had more than a few highlights that game too. If you could pair that with like, Modric....my body can't produce enough semen.
haha Jan you utter cunt
When a signing from the Romanian league looks twice the player you do, you need to wake the fuck up.
Vivalaraza
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Guardiola is a liar though - that we can all agree on.
Said he'd adapt to Bayern.
Lies. I don't trust anything he says now.
Said he'd adapt to Bayern.
Lies. I don't trust anything he says now.
At least we had the excuse of already have won the League...
This time a class opposition destroyed us because they were prefectly coached to our many weak spots.
What would you say our chances are now? I'm allowing myself a bit of optimism with Hazard and Terry being fit, will probably regret that by half time when we're 2-0 down.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
How about Ping Pong?
I've just seen last night's highlights.
Madrid looked great.
Ribery is a fucking pussy, and a cunt. That's as bad a reaction as I've seen on a football pitch when it comes to being a sore loser. And the little prick thought he deserved best player in the world hahaha. Get fucked, you kiddie fiddling frenchie.
Madrid looked great.
Ribery is a fucking pussy, and a cunt. That's as bad a reaction as I've seen on a football pitch when it comes to being a sore loser. And the little prick thought he deserved best player in the world hahaha. Get fucked, you kiddie fiddling frenchie.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
He'll perk up now that Barca's transfer ban has been suspended.
Shatner's Bassoon
Member
Too close to call for me, it's going to be a super tight game. It's weird, obviously I want Chelsea to progress but I'm not going to be heartbroken or overly upset if they go out tonight.
I think it helps that I quite like the Atletico team, so even if they beat us tonight I would like to see them go on and win in the final.
He does this every fucking year. Last year against Vidal, the year before that against Lopez... Time for UEFA to ban him, because that aggressive shit doesnt help anybody.
Vivalaraza
Member
United should get Vertonghen.
I think Mourinho's done a really great job this season. There's been some very big slip ups, but if I'm being honest overall I wouldn't rate the Chelsea squad much above ours. Similar level of goalkeepers, similar level of centre mids. Their wingers and defenders are a step above, but our strikers are.
For him to have them so close to the title and in the CL semi finals is expected, but that's because it's Mourinho and not because they have a sensational squad.
For him to have them so close to the title and in the CL semi finals is expected, but that's because it's Mourinho and not because they have a sensational squad.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
I can imagine he expects 110% from every player every game. Anything less and you're out.
One might think he calmed down after winning the CL. Not really. He's still that rude Marseille player after all those years.
I wonder if its time to buy Draxler.
Can Crusher
Banned
Ribery is a loser of a cunt. Ballon D'or.... AH
Please have the club exercise a degree of due diligence and fix the midfield first.
That area has been neglected for far too long.
Gareth Bale
Member
Not sure they will still consider him after such a poor season. I think they have other options they prefer anyway.
United can suck my dick
Draxler wont help us. I wonder what Pep and Bayerns board are doing now.
"Every wish from Pep will be granted. Bayern is looking for Top-Players. Money doesn't matter"
"The defense will get at least one star player. The price doesn't matter because they want to improve the quality. We will pay as much as needed."
Bayern earned 60m in the CL this year.
Rumored players are Laporte, Montoya (from Barca), Jose Angel (Sociedad) and David Luiz.
Shatner's Bassoon
Member
Bayern, buy Luiz. He's a great defender and super reliable. You won't regret it.
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