Agreed, but in comparison to other lunatic owners who march into clubs and start changing names, the club colours and in some cases bankrupting them (then vanishing or going toail) they probably don't seem so bad
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Agreed, but in comparison to other lunatic owners who march into clubs and start changing names, the club colours and in some cases bankrupting them (then vanishing or going toail) they probably don't seem so bad
LFMartins86
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Julen Lopetegui, who guided Spain to the U19 2011 European Chanpionship and the U21 2013 European Championship titles, will be presented as the new Porto coach in the next 30 min.
Just look at the lack of aggression from United. Every player out there just shuffles into the general vacinity and watches the ball go past them, back and forth. It's like they're daring Sunderland to have a go... except they're already losing 0-1 at their home ground.
Vivalaraza
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They get other people do their dirty work for them. It's easy to stay in the shadows when everything is running smoothly and take credit for it. They haven't done much to improve the club at all. They've damaged it across the board.
Yeah they're not mental, I'll give them that.
The_Hitcher89
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@Pool fans, if I could offer you a guarantee that we'd concede 38 goals next season, with the proviso that we don't make any signings in attacking positions, would you take it?
It's almost as if they accepted defeat.
I suspect this was the case when the squad learned of Moyes getting the job.
Pepe Mel mate.
And they did, but it came back off the crossbar.
Nicktendo86
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I just don't get it. Hey, why can't I put a bid in for the club? I'm good for the money, honest, I mean I will leverage the debt against the club and cripple it with interest payments, but I am totally good for it. Fucking cunts.
FortuneFaded
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in case you want to see the best team in the world
To Be Determined F.C. does having some great attackers but lacks in the defence. Not the best team in the world. Top 10, maybe.
You want to lose 1-0 @ home and 1-0 away to each team over the course of the season? Hitch? pls,
If what they planned to do was stay successful while servicing a huge debt, they've managed it. Or, Ferguson managed it. All the while accruing lucrative marketing, and sponsorship deals to push the clubs revenue astronomically high, they've managed that.
I just think there's too many buts and ifs with the alternatives, yes, United would have had more money over the past 10 years, but would they have had more when this is all over and the debt is gone?
I think they're good businessmen, and the club's in a very stable condition. It's not a Hicks and Gillette situation, or a Vincent Tan madhouse. The grass isn't always greener.
The_Hitcher89
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I doubt our attack would fail to score a single goal over the course of a season just because we didn't sign Konoplyanka
Vivalaraza
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Huh?
Too many ifs and buts. What are those ifs and buts? We've spent £100m paying for them some years.
Unless you think nobody else could make money out of a club like Man United of course were worse off. The alternative was fine. We had a good team, no debt, and were the worlds richest club. None of those are true anymore.
The_Hitcher89
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Surely he'd have had to sell his stake in Sky for that to happen?
Not sure what rule it'd actually be breaking, but it would be strange for the figurehead of one of the league's main financiers to own one of it's clubs.
Mismanagement of a business isn't necessarily always about money, a lot could be different, we'll never know.
Like I said, they didn't get involved, they let Ferguson do his job, and he seems to respect them at least.
Owner fallouts with the manager, premature sackings, Sky Sports Stadium, purchasing players the manager has no interest in for the "brand". Overspending, even.
When it all goes wrong, and I look like a complete and utter idiot, I'll be right with you protesting, but until then, they've done okay.
Well, that's exactly why he wasn't allowed to. I think it was the monopolies and mergers commission that blocked it.
I think PSG's owner also owns beIN sports who have the Ligue 1 rights in certain countries. No one seems to make a big deal out of that for whatever reason.
It's another year playing in the CL if all this FFP stuff comes to pass. Might be tough for him to turn down.
The_Hitcher89
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We could do much worse than Gareth Barry, he's Everton-bound if they can afford him though
LabouredSubterfuge
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I'm excited for Gahl to bear witness to the filth and the malaise in our team tonight. The reckoning is close.
The_Hitcher89
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Imagine if 20 minutes in, he threw his arms in the air, left in a huff and was overheard saying 'fuck that'
If he's at the stadium tonight then I hope that during one of our inevitable fuck uos the camera zooms on him laughing his bollocks off.
Then we'll know we're in business.
Nicktendo86
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I won't be happy unless Raas is in the stands, gets up, drops his trousers and lays his bollocks on Fergie's head before shouting at Rooney to fuck off.
Kamakazie!
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I think there are two separate arguments here. There is absolutely no doubt that they have been bad for the club due to the leveraged takeover.
On the other hand as owners (if you discount what they did to takeover the club) they have been fine, leaving the football side to those that understand it, and only dirtying their hands with the commercial side where they've been successful.
Much of this is due to Fergie and Gill, and I'm sure plenty other owners would have been just as good on both counts, without the horrendous debts, but I can see the point some are trying to make.
The_Hitcher89
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I'd do Sinclair's job for half the wages
pulga
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in case you want to see the best team in the world
unless Madrid is confirmed as the TBD team, you're statement is objectively, categorically lexluthorWROOOOOOOOONG.jpeg
LabouredSubterfuge
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I honestly wouldn't blame him.
"Who's that cunt?! Number 23!! You're a fucking coward!! Coward!! Cunt!! Fuck yourself!!"
KidA Seven
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Lopes is one. Or he should be by the time the new season starts.
velociraptor
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I thought there is a clause in his contract that would allow Arsenal to buy Cesc back if Barcelona accept Manchester United's interest? Do we not have first refusal?
Cesc to Manchester United... fuck me... that would hurt.
Manchester United will be playing in the Europa League next season. No self-respecting footballer would want to go there.
No they won't.
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LabouredSubterfuge
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Part of me really hopes you get him. Just so we can sit here this time next year while Arsenal fans whine about why they didn't bring in a top class striker last summer as they fail to win anything for another year..
If you think Arsenal will buy Cesc and a world class striker then I have this really fucking rad looking bridge and it's going for a bargain price.
That sums it up. MU are paying £70 million a year on interest alone because of the Glazer takeover, for comparison Arsenal pay £19 million a year to pay off the stadium debt. If I remember correctly the Glazers had the chance to pay off a massive chunk of the debt (if not all of it?) through share sales but instead of doing that they pocketed all the money for themselves. I don't like MU at all but I sympathise with the fans having to watch their club fall away because of a greedy family who could not care less. Without the champions league money what happens next? I think those expecting hundreds of millions of pounds to be invested in a rebuilding might be disappointed.
The_Hitcher89
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You say 'another year' like they won't win the FA Cup this year.
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