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Football Thread 2013/14 |OT23| Goal-Line Technology Saving Football In Brazil
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Shanks D Zoro
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Vlaar was excellent. IMO the man of the Match. He kept Holland in the match until the goals started going in.
pulga
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Thatsss right my man, least you got it clear.
No, but Ferrari was playing.
Shake Appeal
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England lost a bunch of embarrassing matches before then. Got thrashed by Scotland 7-2 at one point. Lost to Ireland. Lost to the USA. Their record in the British Home Championship was very far from unquestioned dominance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Home_Championship
LabouredSubterfuge
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Raymond Domenech is certifiably insane:
The point is that England didn't care. You linked to a match that happened in the 50s. England had been playing football since the 1860s or some crap. I said we were dominant for the first 60 or 70s years of the game and I'm of course correct.
I think a country would be more disappointed that England aren't coming to their World Cup than Argentina (if Messi had been ruled out for being a drug cheat) or Italy. That's because England are a big deal in the history of football.
Broder Salsa
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You can't compare Italy's team to the Italy team of 8 years ago. and uhm, I'm not even necessarily disagreeing with Italy being at least a level above England, but your list as a whole is a bit silly.
Also "Big team" discussions are always hilariously shit.
Denmark has one something more recently than most of those countries, we should be up there as a second tier at least!
Mt Heart Attack
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They are, and Italy and Argentina are a even bigger deal.
Shake Appeal
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The Italy team of 8 years ago were sixth favourites at best on entering the tournament, with their domestic game in disarray. Hindsight is rosy.
Shanks D Zoro
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England had a 30-50 year head start on most team countries when it came to football. Saying you dominated that period isn't something to be proud of.
Italy missing a world cup is a much bigger news story than England. World Cup 94 went on just fine.
Broder Salsa
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Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that we're a big team.
Just like England.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Shanks D Zoro
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Denmark was a one off. Holland have only won a single competition, but they have a great record of going deep into competitions.
Shanks D Zoro
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It is hard to compare the two, because there are two standards to test Arsenal, but only one for England. Arsenal are a big English team, but not a big European team. Are European history is average.
Exactly.
Please. We should've won in 86.
If we could buy antibiotics over the counter we'd be even more fucked.
As opposed to the world stopping when Italy failed to qualify for the 58 World Cup or Euro 92.
We'd have full-on antibiotic resistance by Monday!
Mt Heart Attack
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Yea, that's like saying that Americans are dominating American football, no shit, they're the only ones playing it.
We can argue how good the English were in the first half of last century for eternity, but there's no way to prove it one way or the other.
The facts are that 1. when football reached worldwide popularity and international competitions started being held, England refused to prove their supposed superiority on the pitch
2. when they did finally agree to play, it turned out they were pretty crap, never going past the quarter finals until 1966, and doing so only once ever since.
You seriously wanna compare Italy's and England's record in international football? 4 World Cups 2 runner ups, 2 semifinals vs 1 World Cup (played in England and won on a dubious goal) and 1 semifinal?
edit: maybe I missed the point of your post? Of course any team could miss a World Cup, it's not really that big of a deal. The only team that took part in all of them is Brazil if I'm not mistaken.
Shanks D Zoro
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An Italy team that had still not fully recovered from basically losing its whole team in an plane crash 9 years earlier. edit: Italy could of had another couple world cups if it wasn't for this, and also for WW2
Not qualifying for 92 was shocking.
Gareth Bale
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There are plenty of countries where you can
Mt Heart Attack
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That's one of the biggest regrets I have as an Italian football fan, not knowing how good the Grande Torino team would have been on the international stage
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You can prove it by the fact our amateur teams were regularly dominating European and South American teams. West Auckland (an amateur side) beating (1905 Italian champions) Juventus 6-1 in the Sir Thomas Lipton trophy is proof enough for me.
There are clubs on the continent that are older than many of our Premier League clubs.
If the Intercontinental Cup is revived and becomes the biggest cup in football, you can't really blame the likes of Santos, Ajax, Bayern, Liverpool and Leeds for refusing to participate in the 60s and 70s, which allowed the Argentinian and Uruguayan teams to dominate.
FortuneFaded
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I feel upset that I helped start an argument. Can our great nations make peace and bond over our mutual hatred of France?
Shanks D Zoro
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That's one of the biggest regrets I have as an Italian football fans, not knowing how good the Grande Torino team would have been on the international stage
Some football historians have compared Mazzola to Pele. It would have been tough in Brazil 1950, but we would have been one of the favourites.
Nothing to be upset about. It's going to turn out to be 2-2 bore fest of scramble goals anyway.
Can someone explain why we'd be fucked if we could buy antibiotics readily? Obviously it isn't my area of expertise (fried chicken) and I assume it's something to do with our resistance levels.
The England versus Italy debate is stupid. Italy are a far bigger footballing nation internationally, if we're using success in international tournaments as the metric. Not even up for discussion.
Excited for the match tonight. Had my haircut this morning in preparation. It's really fucking short. I look like Michael Owen.
The England versus Italy debate is stupid. Italy are a far bigger footballing nation internationally, if we're using success in international tournaments as the metric. Not even up for discussion.
Excited for the match tonight. Had my haircut this morning in preparation. It's really fucking short. I look like Michael Owen.
FortuneFaded
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On a similar theme: Giuseppe Bergomi: 'I regret not playing in England – I could have joined Coventry'
"Did you ever come close to playing in England?
Once. And it has been one of the biggest regrets of my career that it didn’t happen. When I was coming to the end of my playing days, Gordon Strachan was the coach of Coventry. He came to me and said 'Ronald Nilsson is leaving, he’s 36 the same as you. If you want to come and join us, we’d love to have you here'. I said no. I wanted to finish my career having played only for Inter Milan. But looking back it’s a big regret. Maybe, if I had accepted, I would now be working as a manager. In England, they always gave you the chance to become the manager of a team in the Premier League or the Championship very quickly. Look at Gianluca Vialli, Gianfranco Zola, Roberto Di Matteo… even Attilio Lombardo was given his chance. But it’s gone. And I’m happy to be at Sky [Giuseppe is the main co-commentator at Sky Sports Italia]."
Bonus: "Which player that Hodgson left at home would you have picked for England?
Maybe John Terry. Perhaps Hodgson lacked the courage to stand out and secure Terry’s call-up. But what really surprised me most is the absence of Tom Cleverley: I imagined that Hodgson would call him up despite the fact he hasn’t played that much this year."
"Did you ever come close to playing in England?
Once. And it has been one of the biggest regrets of my career that it didn’t happen. When I was coming to the end of my playing days, Gordon Strachan was the coach of Coventry. He came to me and said 'Ronald Nilsson is leaving, he’s 36 the same as you. If you want to come and join us, we’d love to have you here'. I said no. I wanted to finish my career having played only for Inter Milan. But looking back it’s a big regret. Maybe, if I had accepted, I would now be working as a manager. In England, they always gave you the chance to become the manager of a team in the Premier League or the Championship very quickly. Look at Gianluca Vialli, Gianfranco Zola, Roberto Di Matteo… even Attilio Lombardo was given his chance. But it’s gone. And I’m happy to be at Sky [Giuseppe is the main co-commentator at Sky Sports Italia]."
Bonus: "Which player that Hodgson left at home would you have picked for England?
Maybe John Terry. Perhaps Hodgson lacked the courage to stand out and secure Terry’s call-up. But what really surprised me most is the absence of Tom Cleverley: I imagined that Hodgson would call him up despite the fact he hasn’t played that much this year."
Agreed on Italy, but I think the argument was that we aren't a big footballing nation. But derp gonna derp and shank gonna shank
The antibiotics kill almost all the germs, but leave behind a small number that were immune. They then multiply and your left with invincible germs.
I agree. Individually we aren't as good as many teams, heck Spain has better players than us. But in the end what matters is how we play as a team and we excel in that with our Dutch spirit.
It's going to be a fun season with Bielsa in Ligue 1.
I can't wait when France slaughters Honduras. Then I can talk shit to my cousins all day long.
wait. your cousins are from Honduras?
So Buffon is out? The stars are aligning in England's favour. Have been for a while now.
Obama's Turkey, innit.
Obama's Turkey, innit.
Film yourself pissing on a Bentley or something and send him the video demanding money or you'll go to the papers.
He'd pay up.
Am going the other way - long hair looks less grey innit.
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