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Football Thread 2013/14 |OT25| Louis evangaalism strictly prohibited
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"I ripped my cock, GAF should I go doctor's?"
I think there's certainly value in looking at squads and managers and past performance, but to bring it down to decimals and shit riles me. Stats suck the joy out of football. I like points, goals scored, clean sheets, that shit. Not total shots taken in monsoon months.
brokenbeans
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Bros any news on signing so far?
maybe these thread starters don't have health care
they need to be absolutely positive it's worth going to the doctor
send them to healthcare.gov for the preeminent health care plan
cartoon_soldier
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Signed my name on approx. 15 checks today.
Vivalaraza
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Some of the stats are really interesting. Like that Messi article you posted for instance.
I do struggle to buy into the "things largely stay the same" idea though. United and Spurs have changed managers and will be playing in a very different way, tactically and mentally I would have thought. How do you measure that, not sure you can.
Interesting stuff, though.
MisterRoboto
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This is what I wound up with. Must have changed my mind 10 times and probably will again lol.
Vivalaraza
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Is Alaba playing CB right now? elsk are you okay?
Maybe not ruin
But boils it down to something far less exciting
Nothings worse than the overuse of stats though, do agree
Place x created x number of chances therefore is better than player y who created y number of chances against z opposition reminds me of GCSE Maths
Not a good thing
brokenbeans
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Blimey what you been buying?
Milchmonster
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"What time is it?"
CIRO TIME!
Ji with #23. Well, the last Asian who had the 23 did quite well, I guess. Can't do worse than the last #23, either. So, welcome to him as well, I guess.
CIRO TIME!
Ji with #23. Well, the last Asian who had the 23 did quite well, I guess. Can't do worse than the last #23, either. So, welcome to him as well, I guess.
no that's entirely correct. even the best statistical models in something like sports are a long long way from perfect knowledge and will never reach it. but improving predictions from 55% to 60% can have a huge impact in the long run
Shanks D Zoro
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Stats in football are meaningless. Whole articles are written about players using whoscored but fail to mention actual live performances.
You can't put a stat on how a player positions himself, or how he drags a defender out of position to create space for another player.
A great defender doesn't need to make tackles, but you can't put a stat on their ability to read the game and anticipation.
There is a reason why clubs still send scouts to actual games rather than just watching games on TV
People make livings from data arrangement and stat collection for all the major American sports here. Multiple websites dedicated to 'metrics', it gets a bit ridiculous.
cartoon_soldier
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Aye, wouldn't disagree with that at all.
Just think that there are variables which don't seem to being taken into account (and nor can be).
Like, going back to the Suarez point. Losing a player of that magnitude and ability could affect Liverpool's squad in general beyond merely losing him.
I think they are useful to a degree. Just not the be all and end all.
Shanks D Zoro
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I am saying they are.
brokenbeans
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Sorry, thought you were saying something else
7zip
Yeah, that was a consistent statistical analysis based on one player; I agree with you regarding an argument that United with Moyes is different than United with LVG and new signings. It doesn't read into mental differences, happiness in the camp, LVG's relationship with players... it's just a bit of a reductive argument.
Milchmonster
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Broder Salsa
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7zip is fine and free. Winrar is also good, but will start asking if you if you want to buy it after your evaluation, but will also keep working.
Broder Salsa
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No they aren't, but they can certainly be misused.
Whoscored is a nice database of stats but their articles are laughably simple.
Actually, you can put a stat on such things. One would require more data than is currently corrected but it's certainly achievable.
In fact this relates to your last point; stat collection has been extremely rudimentary for ages so of course scouting would be better. Only now has stats in football begun to become useful. However, it now outmatches experts easily in both player and team prediction.
Who can blame them.
The_Hitcher89
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Henry said we've come to the point where FSG have to start making profit from the club, so we won't be able to spend the bulk of the Suarez money. Apparently we have £35m to spend, and have to decide whether the bulk of it goes on a centreback and the rest on a leftback, or vice versa
Lambda Pie
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Bebe sponsored muppetry: we start with him, of course.
- Roma is willing to bid 20 million € to secure Bayern's midfielder Shakiri services.
- Juventus is interested in Lukaku but Chelsea set a 40 million € price tag on his transfer and won't negotiate below that.
- Real Madrid's midfielder Casemiro could be heading to FC Porto on a loan.
- Roma is willing to bid 20 million € to secure Bayern's midfielder Shakiri services.
- Juventus is interested in Lukaku but Chelsea set a 40 million € price tag on his transfer and won't negotiate below that.
- Real Madrid's midfielder Casemiro could be heading to FC Porto on a loan.
Makes his achievements all the more impressive, imo.
...and therefore no-one should ever have an abortion lest they abort Ronaldo, I assume is the framing of it, innit.
The_Hitcher89
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Bit different, she didn't want to abort him when they told her he might not live or some shit. Ronnies mom apparently did want to.
About Bebe moving to Benfica? Strange, but okay.
Sure, but the moral of the story was don't have abortions because then the world might not get Tim Tebow/Ronaldo.
Also pretty bad advice for her to be giving. If you are in danger and could potentially die from childbirth, don't have an abortion, god will save you.
Surely Suarez counted for a lot of Liverpool's shots, on and off target.
Shanks D Zoro
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I think Sanchez had double the shots on target% than Giroud last season. But that means nothing. It fails to take into account the space created by messi compared to Giroud not having a talented teammate than Sanchez. Giroud had more pressure on him being a lone striker in a team that did not get many other players in the box at times. Giroud would have had to work harder to get those shots of compared to Sanchez.
Stats in football give false impressions about what really is taking place.
Totti was taught by Zemen that you need to get the ball into the back of the net as quickly as possible and that hashelped shape his football philosophy. While Xavi was raised the barca way and keeping the ball was valued.
Totti tries more risky passes and and as a result has a worse pass completion %. But Totti can pass just as good as Xavi, , but their different upbringings would make you think that xavi is a far superior passer because of stats.
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