yeah klopp will probably go to epl
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Football Thread 2013/2014 |OT1| Moyes, Master of Muppets
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yeah klopp will probably go to epl
Vivalaraza
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I believe (no one can really be certain when it comes to wages) with his current contact he was on something like £50-60,000 a week at Barca.
United were reported to be willing to double that, so he's likely on £100,000 at Bayern.
And the funny thing is, he's leaving one situation for a similar one in the German league. Where if he would have taken United's offer (did that even happen?) they would be carrying him in the streets and hailing him as the second coming. He fills such a need for them, that it's honestly baffling that he's more than willing--by taking a paycut--to play a bit-role for the European Champions. Pep is the only part of this puzzle that makes any sense as far as decision making.
Around 3-4 million in Munich. Maybe bonuses included.
Yeah I think some Barca fans wished Thiago had gotten more time to play...
Mandzukic played today and scored twice... I think Pep will mix Bayerns last year tactics with some of his ideas at Barca.
Its a done deal. He is coming next season for free regardless of who the manager is
I went from not knowing who Thiago was to believing he was the best player in the world to now thinking hes past it and we never wanted him.
Besides with an unlimited transfer fund Moyes will surely bring in 7-8 high profile signings
Then ill laugha t you all.
Besides with an unlimited transfer fund Moyes will surely bring in 7-8 high profile signings
Then ill laugha t you all.
Pretty crazy to have three nationalities.
The_Hitcher89
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The evil empire is crumbling already.
lolwut? moyes said that?
Naughty God
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I'm going to kill myself.
Can Crusher
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Limitless fund, but can't get anyone to join Man Utd. So sad, feels like a FM game where you hack a bunch of money into a small club but no big player joins.
I think the first death star will blow up by the end of the season.
Klopp will swoop in like Han Solo and save the day, with Jack "Luke Skywalker" Wilshere as his left hand man. Van Persie can play Darth Vader. Rooney can play Jaba the Hut.
The_Hitcher89
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So Ferguson is The Emporor, and this season is the gap between his retirement/death and the Rebels's victory?
Rafa is Obi Wan Kenobi, dying in his attempts to overthrow the Dark Side
Bayern accepted to pay more than Thiago's 18M buyout fee to maintain good relations between clubs and to avoid risk of tax problems.
https://twitter.com/barcastuff/status/356484503272828928
https://twitter.com/barcastuff/status/356484503272828928
The_Hitcher89
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So Ferguson is The Emporor, and this season is the gap between his retirement/death and the Rebels's victory?
Rafa is Obi Wan Kenobi, dying in his attempts to overthrow the Dark Side
Yeah, Ferguson is the Emperor with his influence being felt across the galaxy.
Moyes is Grand Moff Tarkin. Zaha is an Ewok.
Why wouldn't there be any problems with a few mil. more?
Baconsaurus Rex
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Eisfeld's goal was great
Naughty God
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Read this:
"I dont get it! All we have to do is pay the stinking release clause and the player is ours right?!Thats what you would think, however this is not the case in Spain. Its not like Gotzes transfer to Bayern where all the player had to do was activate the release clause and theres no negotiations necessary.Before I start on my summary of release clauses in Spain, I would like to say I have only learned about them recently so I will not dive into the finer details. I would have to know the Spanish language in order to do that.So heres what you need to know about release clauses in Spain.First of all, in Spain, La Liga players are obligated to have release clauses inserted into their contracts under Spanish law. As a result, clubs can arrange for a players release clause to be set quite high. In Thiagos case, at the end of July his release clause rises to 90m euros
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There is also another case to consider here. How release clauses are activated depends on whether or not a Spanish club comes in for the player.For instance, if Madrid meets Thiagos buyout clause, if Thiago wishes to leave Barcelona for Madrid, Barcelona are forced to sign the release papers and Thiago now belongs to Madrid. Case closed. End of story. Unfortunately, this doesnt work for foreign clubs. Its much more complicated.Foreign clubs actually have to negotiate with the selling club. This doesnt mean a non-Spanish club cant activate the clause or the player cant activate the buyout clause. Its just not straightforward and heres why.All the parties that are involved make the deal quite complicated.
Tax authorities and lawyers have to check and make sure the deal is compliant with FIFA and UEFA codes of conduct, Spanish and EU contract law and of course, Spanish tax laws. Only then can the deal move forward.Technically, if a non-Spanish club is going to obtain the release papers from the selling club, the money has to be provided by the player. Its a breach of contract so the player is literally buying out his contract allowing him to leave.
The interpretation of the phrase provided by is vague and we saw this when Bayern Munich brought Javi Martinez from Bilbao. Bayern were given approval by Martinez to pay the money to the Spanish FA who act as intermediaries for these type of situations. The money was then given to Bilbao as compensation for losing Martinez. If Martinez had to pay for the clause himself, then he would be subject to income tax which could double the price.
Just to clarify, when the club meets the buyout clause, they can be subject to VAT(tax added onto the buyout clause) if its decided it should be applied. Who decides whether or not its applied I think falls at the discretion of the tax authorities. However, I dont know with 100% certainty. In Bayern Munichs case, the ruling was that they didnt have to pay VAT because no services or goods were being exchanged. Some disagree with the decision and think that a VAT should been applied.
I guess in Manchester Uniteds case, we have to pay the VAT. Another clarification is that since Bayern Munich paid the release clause with Martinezs permission instead of on his behalf, they did not have to pay the income tax.
What you may find surprising is that Spanish clubs usually do not exploit the buyout clause of other Spanish clubs. They choose not to because it hinders relations with the other club. You wouldnt want the very same club coming back sometime later and taking one of your players by simply meeting the release clause. So instead, clubs usually choose to agree on a fee and carry on from there.
So heres the million dollar question, what does this mean for Manchester United & Thiago? Here are a few scenarios:A) Thiago buys out his contract, MUFC pays release fee on his behalf and is now subject to income tax. (Total fee: up to 40mB) MUFC triggers the buyout clause and most likely subject to VAT. (Total fee: up to 25m euros due to parties involved)C) MUFC & Barca negotiate a fee to agree on. (Total fee: could be between 18-24m euros depending on negotiations)
We can essentially rule out scenario A as the deal could rise as high as 40m euros due to income tax. Scenario B is much more likely and if MUFC have gone along this route, we could be waiting for tax authorities and all relevant parties to sanction the deal. Also, there will be extra fees for the lawyers and tax officials involved. The agent will want his fair share too.If MUFC go with scenario C, it would be the most amicable way of going about the transfer.
The release clause fee would essentially be used as a starting price for the two clubs to negotiate. Reports have said Barca are stalling the deal and it could be alluding to these type of negotiations. However, we dont know whats going at the moment and since both clubs have said essentially nothing about the deal, its hard to tell.Manchester United is known for being quiet when it comes to negotiating deals. The deal could be very advanced and we are just waiting for everything to be finalized before announcing anything. We know that Thiagos clause rises at the end of July and that he reports back to training on the 15th. So if any deal was going to happen, youd imagine it would have to be soon.Thanks for reading.
Pep had a rant against Barca a few days ago.. Media said he declared war against Rosell.
There is an gentlemens agreement between Barca and Bayern not to buy out players from each side.
If bayern paid the clause at la liga Thiago had to pay another 40% taxes.
Relaxed Muscle
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Probably Pep promised him that he'll play instead of being benched 95% of matches.
Chances of him being benched on Bayern are quite high as well..so...
Pep last revenge against Rosell.
I knew footy-gaf were going to come around.
First Arnie, now you. No one can't hate Bayern for too long.
Using a buyout clause is kind of a dick move, I guess. You don't have to discuss anything with the other club and can basically steal a player away. Bayern probably didn't want to do that with a friend like Barca.
no such scruples with BVB, though
Naughty God
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It's further proof that we can't land our targets, but hey, Baines is the number one priority.
Vivalaraza
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Cheat team!
Next thing he'll replace every Maß with sangria.
Vivalaraza
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Wtf
Relaxed Muscle
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The_Hitcher89
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So who will Barca buy?
A centreback, and promote a reserve to take Thiago's place?
A centreback, and promote a reserve to take Thiago's place?
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