Right last post on this Marc, don't want to bog down the thread
First off, bringing up Utopia in a discussion about immigration is slightly worrying. Aside from the fact that immigrants bring a net economic positive to this country yeah I don't see what is wrong with 250,000 thousand people coming to enrich this place, which is what this fucking country has been built on. We are an island of immigrants, deciding that we shouldn't improve our health and school service but instead suddenly block out people is bizarre. Also if we do, what happens to the millions of brits who live abroad. Herpy derp.
Secondly, I said (please feel free to read again what I said) that why UKIP voters vote for UKIP is not because of the EU. It is immigration, education and the health service. UKIP and the NHS have been in the news for weeks, there is plenty of reading I could point you to do about that.
Thirdly, UKIP was founded in FUCKING 1993. I don't think being called a new party holds much water. If you want a proper new party who is worth voting for (well our spanish cousins), look up Podemos. Heroes.
People vote for them because what they think they are getting is a breath of fresh air from the main three parties. A vote for the common man if you like. Anti-establishment
Actually it's a vote for a rank stinky air full of homophobic, vile, backwards old fogies and laughable outdated on the fly economic policies which hold no water when you look at them. And awful rhetoric about taking our country back whilst also stating the perils of too many foreigners coming in. Doesn't take a genius to put 2 + 2 together and smell the bacon
Alright that's it, apologies everyone else.
Can discuss elsewhere if you wish, or not.
Well I obviously want to wipe out most of the world... to stop oncoming war.
Net positive, prove that please or refer to some kind of evidence. Just saying it doesn't make it so. Growth for the sake of it is inherently flawed, you cannot have infinite growth and using people for GDP purposes does nothing in terms of quality. You don't see how 250,000 people, with a large unskilled population drives down wages and creates a population of people who live pay check to pay check. Where do you think the resources come from to cater for that many people, and throw in local population growth as well. You need roads (ha!), houses, water, electricity, nurses, teachers, doctors, housing, public transport, fuel, food, clothes etc. to supply every single person. That is more people than the town of Reading dropped on the country every year, ignoring local growth. So you think you can build and supply all the needs for an entire town every year. C'mon. Then it comes as a shock as all those services suffer and cannot cope with the influx. It is not about skin colour, background, country... it is common sense. Island of immigrants? So that throw away line somehow overcomes the chessboard problem of exponential growth? Why are a large amount of unskilled workers improving the NHS and schools when the facts say the complete opposite?
Enlighten me, last I checked they said they had reviewed other health services like in France and how they use private companies then came to the conclusion that ours was the best and that it just needed management cuts. Those issues aren't really a big deal in any case, their best hope is of a coalition which is ruled out by tories and labour so hung parliament and maybe more and better individualistic voting on issues.
Labour were founded over 100 years ago, UKIP have no historic ties like they do, no economic powerhouses behind them like they do, no established party politics baring the one issue they were named and founded on. They're a babe by comparison.
That insult applies just as well to the other parties, and much more, much more illegal terms too.