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Football Thread 2014/2015 |OT11| This Is Our Year!

Clegg

Member
we look worse with 3 Cbs then 2 lol. build up play is terrible because we are relying on the wingbacks to build it. Valencia and Young would much rather pass it backwards then take on a man or go forwards. We have to build inside and then play the ball out rather then start outside and play it in. We have the players to actually work a nice controlling and building midfield game, it's just LVG has been too stubborn to drop players. If he wants to play Rooney fine but it's gotta be behind the striker or as a striker. Get Falcao out there. Then use Herrera, Blind, Carrick in midfield. Those are our best options.
He doesn't trust any of our defenders to actually do their job properly. And he's right; they're all varying levels of mediocre. He thinks three at the back is the best formation to hide their defensive frailties. I don't think there's anything wrong with that tactical decision in isolation.

But to have three central defenders on the pitch robs us of a proper attacking threat out wide as Shaw and Valencia( or any other rb we play there) aren't wing backs. They're better at making overlapping runs and creating overloads for the winger to exploit. They're not an attacking threat in their own right like other players are. Valencia should be, but he isn't.

Van Gaal is obsessed with control of the ball so three in the middle which theoretically hides their defensive flaws, and also provides a ball player in the centre is a very appealing thing for him. I think that's the reason he started Blind there today and why he's started Carrick there in the past.

But once you go with 3/5 at the back you're then in trouble as the more attacking players begin to find themselves in positions they're unaccustomed to. Rooney isn't a ball playing creative midfielder and neither is Di Maria a floating second striker. He's looking for control from the back, control from the midfield and pace up front. That's an admirable thing to strive for, I think, but he doesn't have the players to implement that system IMO. Rooney, for all his qualities, is too slow on the ball and isn't that great a passer from deeper positions. So I think you're right about United having the players to implement a faster system. But the balance still isn't right. He's looking for a system that allows him to utilise the qualities of all his best players whilst also keeping control of the game. But when our best players are our forwards, the system fails. There's control, but not enough thrust. I think it can be argues that out of our front 6 only RVP was playing in the position he was most accustomed to.

I hope that makes sense and isn't a load of old bollocks.
 

Esch

Banned
"We played a much better game than Southampton."
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doicare

Member
Why are people even bothering with doicare today? It's not even funny this time, United was at full strenght and had 0 shots on goal. Just ignore him.
It honestly blows my mind what people come out with on this forum, i'm sorry to say Pulga but you don't know what you're talking about here.

United were not at full strength, they still had 3 first choice team players missing. Even if everybody was playing today you had several players who'd only just come back from injury and aren't fully match fit AND all season long United have had so many injuries to new and old players that the team hasn't been able to gel and play together properly. Do you know how many times United have been able to field their first choice team this season?.... ZERO, NOT EVEN ONCE. Everybody judging and making fun of this team when they haven't even had a single chance to play a couple of games in a row with their first choice team yet is beyond asinine.
How does that change the fact that the team put out today still wasn't the first choice team, had several players only just coming back from injury and all season long the team hasn't been able to gel because it's been chopped and changed with over half the team being constantly injured?
 
If Cristiano wins the Balloon any of you dudes can tell me what to change my avatar into.

NOT. HAPPENING. Learn to read into the politics of this shit.
 

wedward

Member
Before the excuse was too many injuries.

Now it's that players just came back from injuries.

Welcome to football. Someone is always injured or will just be coming back. It's rare that you get to field your best 11 with them all being healthy.
 

Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal on the absence of Radamel Falcao from his squad: "As a coach you have to make decisions, you have to look at the composition of your team and select and look at your game plan. I decided he is out of the 18 because I have to change Luke Shaw and Angel Di Maria for example. You have to look at the needs of your selection at the time. Marouane Fellaini came in and because of his substitution we created three chances.

I guess LVG's mind is made up over Falcao, he apparently sees him as less important than Tyler Blackett, a reserve CB covering for the reserve LB.

To be fair Falcao does look like he has a wasting disease. He used to be scary.
 

pappe

Member
Before the excuse was too many injuries.

Now it's that players just came back from injuries.

Welcome to football. Someone is always injured or will just be coming back. It's rare that you get to field your best 11 with them all being healthy.
In other words...you have to be Chelsea for that to happen.
 

pulga

Banned
Barcelona starting XI vs. Atletico Madrid: Bravo; Dani Alves, Piqué, Mascherano, Alba; Busquets, Rakitic, Iniesta; Neymar, Messi, Suarez.

Optimal selection.
 

Moobabe

Member
m8 that should be your main goal this season, keep Arsenal out of the CL

The meltdowns. The crying. The excuses. Wenger. It would be glorious.

When spending £270 million to keep Arsenal out of the Champions League is your team's achievement you know you've had a great year!
 

Clegg

Member
All our players are fit apart from Young. It's now up to LvG to sort things out.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I can't wait for Rojo to return. As heart attack inducing as he can be in defence he's the only cb we have that's actually comfortable on the ball. Might be enough to convince LvG to go back to two central defenders. Then we can build from there.
 

pulga

Banned
Juventus starting XI: Buffon, Caceres, Bonucci, Chiellini, Evra, Marchisio, Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal, Tevez, Llorente. #NapoliJuve

Evra in the team. Not an optimal selection.
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Tc91

Member
nah not injured. the old man is just gassed as usual. Lewis this isnt the World Cup, you cant just throw some hoge podge formation together and think you can win. We got a false who knows what the fuck is going on formation going on right now.

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 13m13 minutes ago
Van Persie went off with an ankle injury. Scan tomorrow and won't attend Ballon d'Or ceremony, despite being up for goal-of-the-year.

I told you he was injured.

He's been back to full fitness the past couple of weeks.
 

pulga

Banned
Atletico XI vs. Barcelona: Moya; Juanfran, Gimenez, Godin, Jesus Gamez; Gabi, Tiago, Koke; Arda Turan, Griezmann, Mandzukic.

No Fernando Torres. Not sure if optimal selection.
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Mr Cola

Brothas With Attitude / The Wrong Brotha to Fuck Wit / Die Brotha Die / Brothas in Paris
Dont think ive ever been more bored than watching us today
 

kharma45

Member
I am growing to dislike what we're becoming. Part of it is our players, part of it is LvG persisting with a formation that does not work. We need to go back to four at the back, with Rojo and Jones in the middle. I'd have a Blind-Carrick-Herrera middle.

No Falcao. No Mata.
 
Yes, Atletico. I might actually watch a La Liga game now. Because of Atleti, and Diego Simeone. I haven't cared about spanish football since I was a little kid and was told Barcelona was the team to watch, only to see them being beaten by IFK Göteborg in CL the first time watching them. And half of their team being asses on the pitch (Romario, Stoichkov, etc).
 

Arnie

Member
The thing I refuse to accept about the whole "Shaw and Valencia aren't wingbacks, thus the system is ineffectual" spiel is that neither are Henderson, Markovic, Moreno or Manquillo. But they've all done it and the system has prevailed and we've created enough whilst using it.

Basically what I'm saying is I don't think your coaches are doing a good enough job of teaching your players, because ultimately you've been playing this system since pre-season and you aren't much better at it.

We've been trialling ours since December and we're already pretty good at it, whilst also using square pegs in round holes.

You've got to be better on the training field. United have jibbed it to this point with a sensational goalkeeper and an expensive forward line.

That won't prevail forever.
 

3Sixty

Member
LVG saying we came for the draw

Did he even see his subs haha haha

And we came for and took the win ahhahahaha


What a time to be a saint
 
Sporting is lining up with this 11 for the match against Braga.

Rui Patricio, Cedric, Mauricio, P.Oliveira, Jefferson, William, Adrien, João Mário, Carrilo, Nani and Montero

This would always be a big match for me but when I woke up this morning I never could imagine that it would have an huge emotional impact in me. My grandfather was the one who made me so interested in Sporting, he was a huge fan and I started following them because of him. There was a point in my life where I lived with my grandparents and the match day was always exciting. Most of the times he didn´t want me to watch the game with him because all my fussing around and complaining to the TV made him even more nervous so he would stay in the living room and I would go to another TV near his bedroom but every time Sporting scored we would run to each other, hug it out in the middle of the corridor and then we would back to our respective spots for the rest of the match.
Due to me living more than 1000 kms away and some family discussions between me and my grandmother, we drifted apart a bit. I last talked to him 4 months ago and all though things weren´t all fixed up between us, he was so happy to be talking to me and told me how much he loved me.
Earlier today, my father told me he had bad news for me...I couldn´t believe it at first, I rushed to the computer and searched for it on the internet...The news articles kept popping up but I still couldn´t believe it. I turned the TV on and searched through the recording of the news until it appeared on the screen. There it was, my grandparents apartment and a fire truck on the outside. I kept reading the headline over and over again : "86 old man died in a fire in his bedroom"...
5 hours and I´m still a bit shocked. It´s surreal opening news sites and seeing that news on almost all of them.
I´ll be sitting down in a bit to watch the match, hoping that he would be there sitting with me. Today there won´t be cheers in the goals, no more hugs in the middle of the corridor...
Every Sporting match will feel a bit more special now, it was one of the things that bonded us and I have so many great memories of Sporting matches with him.

Thank you for everything, grandfather.
I love you
 

Lightning

Banned
Sporting is lining up with this 11 for the match against Braga.

Rui Patricio, Cedric, Mauricio, P.Oliveira, Jefferson, William, Adrien, João Mário, Carrilo, Nani and Montero

This would always be a big match for me but when I woke up this morning I never could imagine that it would have an huge emotional impact in me. My grandfather was the one who made me so interested in Sporting, he was a huge fan and I started following them because of him. There was a point in my life where I lived with my grandparents and the match day was always exciting. Most of the times he didn´t want me to watch the game with him because all my fussing around and complaining to the TV made him even more nervous so he would stay in the living room and I would go to another TV near his bedroom but every time Sporting scored we would run to each other, hug it out in the middle of the corridor and then we would back to our respective spots for the rest of the match.
Due to me living more than 1000 kms away and some family discussions between me and my grandmother, we drifted apart a bit. I last talked to him 4 months ago and all though things weren´t all fixed up between us, he was so happy to be talking to me and told me how much he loved me.
Earlier today, my father told me he had bad news for me...I couldn´t believe it at first, I rushed to the computer and searched for it on the internet...The news articles kept popping up but I still couldn´t believe it. I turned the TV on and searched through the recording of the news until it appeared on the screen. There it was, my grandparents apartment and a fire truck on the outside. I kept reading the headline over and over again : "86 old man died in a fire in his bedroom"...
5 hours and I´m still a bit shocked. It´s surreal opening news sites and seeing that news on almost all of them.
I´ll be sitting down in a bit to watch the match, hoping that he would be there sitting with me. Today there won´t be cheers in the goals, no more hugs in the middle of the corridor...
Every Sporting match will feel a bit more special now, it was one of the things that bonded us and I have so many great memories of Sporting matches with him.

Thank you for everything, grandfather.
I love you
OMG. My condolences man. That is terribly tragic.
 

Arnie

Member
Sporting is lining up with this 11 for the match against Braga.

Rui Patricio, Cedric, Mauricio, P.Oliveira, Jefferson, William, Adrien, João Mário, Carrilo, Nani and Montero

This would always be a big match for me but when I woke up this morning I never could imagine that it would have an huge emotional impact in me. My grandfather was the one who made me so interested in Sporting, he was a huge fan and I started following them because of him. There was a point in my life where I lived with my grandparents and the match day was always exciting. Most of the times he didn´t want me to watch the game with him because all my fussing around and complaining to the TV made him even more nervous so he would stay in the living room and I would go to another TV near his bedroom but every time Sporting scored we would run to each other, hug it out in the middle of the corridor and then we would back to our respective spots for the rest of the match.
Due to me living more than 1000 kms away and some family discussions between me and my grandmother, we drifted apart a bit. I last talked to him 4 months ago and all though things weren´t all fixed up between us, he was so happy to be talking to me and told me how much he loved me.
Earlier today, my father told me he had bad news for me...I couldn´t believe it at first, I rushed to the computer and searched for it on the internet...The news articles kept popping up but I still couldn´t believe it. I turned the TV on and searched through the recording of the news until it appeared on the screen. There it was, my grandparents apartment and a fire truck on the outside. I kept reading the headline over and over again : "86 old man died in a fire in his bedroom"...
5 hours and I´m still a bit shocked. It´s surreal opening news sites and seeing that news on almost all of them.
I´ll be sitting down in a bit to watch the match, hoping that he would be there sitting with me. Today there won´t be cheers in the goals, no more hugs in the middle of the corridor...
Every Sporting match will feel a bit more special now, it was one of the things that bonded us and I have so many great memories of Sporting matches with him.

Thank you for everything, grandfather.
I love you
Bloody hell m8

This got me

Condolences

Enjoy the match
 

Clegg

Member
Having said everything about how the players don't suit the formation that's being played, it isn't going unnoticed at how some are in just in crap form as well. Rooney hasn't played well since the double scored against Newcastle, for instance. Mata has probably been our most consistently good player alongside Carrick since the start of December, but even those two under performed today. Di Maria isn't a second striker but that doesn't mean h has to shoot every time and ignore the pass instead.
 

Blablurn

Member
Sporting is lining up with this 11 for the match against Braga.

Rui Patricio, Cedric, Mauricio, P.Oliveira, Jefferson, William, Adrien, João Mário, Carrilo, Nani and Montero

This would always be a big match for me but when I woke up this morning I never could imagine that it would have an huge emotional impact in me. My grandfather was the one who made me so interested in Sporting, he was a huge fan and I started following them because of him. There was a point in my life where I lived with my grandparents and the match day was always exciting. Most of the times he didn´t want me to watch the game with him because all my fussing around and complaining to the TV made him even more nervous so he would stay in the living room and I would go to another TV near his bedroom but every time Sporting scored we would run to each other, hug it out in the middle of the corridor and then we would back to our respective spots for the rest of the match.
Due to me living more than 1000 kms away and some family discussions between me and my grandmother, we drifted apart a bit. I last talked to him 4 months ago and all though things weren´t all fixed up between us, he was so happy to be talking to me and told me how much he loved me.
Earlier today, my father told me he had bad news for me...I couldn´t believe it at first, I rushed to the computer and searched for it on the internet...The news articles kept popping up but I still couldn´t believe it. I turned the TV on and searched through the recording of the news until it appeared on the screen. There it was, my grandparents apartment and a fire truck on the outside. I kept reading the headline over and over again : "86 old man died in a fire in his bedroom"...
5 hours and I´m still a bit shocked. It´s surreal opening news sites and seeing that news on almost all of them.
I´ll be sitting down in a bit to watch the match, hoping that he would be there sitting with me. Today there won´t be cheers in the goals, no more hugs in the middle of the corridor...
Every Sporting match will feel a bit more special now, it was one of the things that bonded us and I have so many great memories of Sporting matches with him.

Thank you for everything, grandfather.
I love you

oh shit. my condolences mate :( i dont know what to say. you're a good boy and im sure he will keep an eye on you from above.

im really sorry :( im sure the footy thread is here to help you.
 

K1LLER7

Member
The thing I refuse to accept about the whole "Shaw and Valencia aren't wingbacks, thus the system is ineffectual" spiel is that neither are Henderson, Markovic, Moreno or Manquillo. But they've all done it and the system has prevailed and we've created enough whilst using it.

Basically what I'm saying is I don't think your coaches are doing a good enough job of teaching your players, because ultimately you've been playing this system since pre-season and you aren't much better at it.

We've been trialling ours since December and we're already pretty good at it, whilst also using square pegs in round holes.

You've got to be better on the training field. United have jibbed it to this point with a sensational goalkeeper and an expensive forward line.

That won't prevail forever.
I don't think the wingbacks are the problem, it's that they have no support. When they have the ball, its predictable what'll happen. Liverpool wingbacks get support from the midfielders and play those little passes in between and behind the defence. Your teams movement is also better which helps.

Maybe its the coaching, maybe its the personnel, but something has to change.
 
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