In general his reign won't be seen as a success. I'm not saying everything is his fault, but the team is weaker than it was when he took over. After the players he's bought and the money he's spent that's on him. I'm saying this as a massive Pep fan btw.
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Ape Gone Insane
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Give it 3 months before Fraudcelloti is a thing.
LeadenStride
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Don't know what's so pathetic about their game. They just played really defensively, which never really looks that attractive, but can be really efficient. Bayern delivered over 30 shots tonight of which a dozen were on goal.
Barca was 9 points ahead of Atletico and 10 points of Real.
There never was such a big gap between Bayern and Dortmund...
Barca just fucked it up themselves.
Same thing can be said about Dortmund, but 5 points isn't that much of a difference.
Last year everyone saw that Bayern we're partially in holiday mode due the league having no compeition.
So it's hardly comparable to this year, where Dortmund was always pushing them.
That's just no fucking argument.
ohyouagain
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In Guardiola's defence, he also inherited a team who had earned everything that there was to earn. The same team got then one, and then two, and three year older.
Also, despite their excellent start, Coman and Douglas Costa seem to have never really grown into the pillars of the team upfront, as it was demonstrated today with Coman's complete lack of composure in the final minutes.
SkylineRKR
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Simeone is a winner. He's dirty, yes. But he's always giving it all, both as a player and as a coach. And it works as Atletico is in its second CL final in 3 years.
Ape Gone Insane
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Casemiro is probably your biggest loss right there, ouch. City apparently have Toure fit, which would potentially be a good thing for you guys.
If Ancelotti is smart, he will use him as midfielder again.
AcademicSaucer
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No... Just no.
Really? I thought he was the best player at City.
442 is such a classic. Atleti and Leicester getting it done.
Yes, he was 2 years ago.
He can't be fucked to run anymore. So just trots about watching everything.
AcademicSaucer
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lmao
What the fuck, he was this close to punch him on the fucking face, lols.
Football was a mistake
Portugeezer
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Guardiola shitness exposed.
Rubbish King
The gift that keeps on giving
Real_Madrid
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He was really impressive in Spain, but has had some injuries recent years.
I'm not following Bayern closely enough to give an up to date opinion, but he certainly has the potential to be an amazing defender/midfielder.
Real_Madrid
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What's your opinion about Ancelotti?
I wonder what the future holds for Martínez & Alcântara without Guardiola there.
Anything to ensure Chelsea finish in the bottom half.
Scary.
As the years have passed I think Ancelotti has been more willing to play to the strengths of his players rather then force a style on them.
Don't worry, we'll be there after winning the Europa
I'll admit I don't know him that much. from what I've read players love him and he's more like Heynckes in terms of tactics
and fraudiola got schooled pretty hard by carlo two years ago. gave him the biggest loss in bayern's history at home in a cl match.
I think costa and coman will greatly benefit from him.
oh and to bayern gaf: pls put me on ignore if my posts about fraudiola hurts your feelings. I'm not going to stop
Ape Gone Insane
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there's a bayern GAF that doesn't hate guardiola?
I said this before and I say it again now: You'll miss Pep when you see how Ancelotti ruins your team. Dortmund could actually win the bundesliga next year
And I hate Pep.
you never said why. is there a good read or article about his time in madrid?
now it bothers me even more that this piece of shit human being announced his managerial position in the middle of the fucking season
GoldenCrow
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Depends how he is used really, still got a crazy amount of quality but age is a bitch. When used in a holding or defensive role then City have BIG problems as he doesn't have the pace to track or press which he never really had anyway, he also likes to take his time so can often get caught out. In an attacking or feeding position with players covering his weakness then he can rip teams open with some ridiculous passes, feeding forwards in a packed defence is what he is best at. If teams are wary of him just moving slightly off the box will take a defensive player out of the box, if not he will smash them in (not much this season though). Everyone thinks of him for his runs and shots but his passing is by far his best attribute. City go up a few attacking gears as he runs the entire play and is also a goal threat. If it is an open game and he is in an attacking role he will be a threat to Real if anything else than this he will be a liability for City.
I'm thinking as he is coming back from injury, he will be a sub in place for one of the wingers. I expect to see the same starting line-up as last week but with Sterling in place of Silva, and Toure will replace Sterling or Navas at 60 mins.
Roland_Gunner
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What team has Ancelotti ever ruined? He doesn't value the league as much as Europe but Carlo's teams are always tranquil. Perez made a huge mistake in forcing him out of Madrid.
It's hard to find articles saying the bad things about him because his #1 priority is always to be on good terms with the press. Even after he left, we had the spanish press clamoring for him during months this season because they really missed the 'proximity' with the team.
In a few words, players love him because he basically leaves them do whatever they want, both inside and outside the pitch. And I don't know about Bayern, but in Madrid that is... a terrible thing to do.
He was forced by the press (or by his fear to the press) to make Casillas play when he should've already retired. He almost broke Keylor Navas in his second season... smh. When he arrived we had the best counterattack in the world, after some months we couldn't even try to make one. It was like regressive training. Everytime we reached the UCL semifinals, the team thought "yeah this is it, we win 3 games and the season is saved" and they threw away the league without even trying. Watching those last months of both seasons was very painful. I could keep going with this >.>
The first year we got lucky and won the CL (despite of him imo) but luck only gets you so far. There's a reason why on his long career as a top european clubs manager he only achieved 1 Calcio with Milan in 6 years (and that Milan was the best team in the world by far), 1 PL with Chelsea and 1 League One with PSG (losing that league was actually an achievement and you can't say PSG has missed him either).
He's been carried by top players the last 15 years, but to win a league you need more than good players because you need to be competitive every game and not ~7 times a season.
He's very polite, but you will never see a unexpected tactic for an important game or a winning substituion from him. He will be also remembered as the guy who was 3-0 after 45' on a CL final and managed to lose it.
On the bright side, your squad is so good that with luck anything is possible. And luck is really something he doesn't lack.
Oh c'mon, is that a joke? He could win if he wanted, he just didn't. SMH
Real_Madrid
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All players love him, he's the type of manager Guus Hiddink etc is. He's not a manager who things that the players are little children. The players will be delighted with him after 3 years of crazy Pep.
Some supporters like the managers who act like crazy like Mourinho, Pep, Simeone, Klopp,... who 'show their commitment to the team' by acting like fools before the bench.
But I like the managers who just act as normal people like Ancelotti, Wenger or Hiddink for that matter. I watch football for the players, not for the managers.
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) I still hate Perez for letting him go a at Real. Don't know why Fdkn is saying that Ancelotti is going to ruin the team. He always did a good job at probably the most difficult teams in the world (Chelsea, Real Madrid and PSG at the beginning of the sugar daddy takeover).
He could have easily worked for 10 years at Real Madrid, but for some reason supporters and the president at Real Madrid are thinking that changing a manager almost every year is a good thing.
He's imo probably the perfect manager for a team like Bayern. He has shown that he can handle the pressure at a big club and get results.
Real_Madrid
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Wow, this is some post allright. Winning the CL 3 times is apparently all luck, but everything he lost (for example the 3-0 CL final) is off course all his fault.
And you are also criticizing his tactics, but I would suggest that everyone watches Bayern Munchen-Real Madrid from a few years ago, it's a masterclass in tactics, but again, it was probably all luck and the players did whatever they wanted inside the field.
He's probably the most lucky person alive.
First season he couldn't win a single match agains barça and atletico on the league (1 out of 12 points against direct rivals) plus he let them throw away the end of the season because only the CL mattered or something
Second season he did 4 out of 18 points against the top 4 teams of the league, and then threw away the league again
That's the very deffinitiion of a manager that gets outplayed by good teams consistently. Winning against Levante and Deportivo is something any manager can do with Madrid.
It's remarkable that those two matches against Bayern on the CL he used the way of playing he despised the whole season before that moment, only to go back to that trashy 4-3-3 with no defensive midfield the next season again.
A guy with no experience like Zidane is matching and may even surpass his performance here in 5 months. And no, Zidane is not a top manager yet.
Yeah, I already touched this topic, but those two matches we played like we did with Mou the 3 years before. And when I finally thought "he finally learned that our team is made to play this way" he never did it again.
Roland_Gunner
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Carlo's love of European competition first isn't exactly a secret. The title of his autobiography even jokes about it. He's not a perfect coach but will be a good fit for Bayern. After all of Guardiola's jerking the players around, they will have a steady position and know what is expected of them.
Milchmonster
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"The game is over! Bayern wins and is in the CL final"
Good old Sport1
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