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Everyone is overrated. I mean just look at fake Ronaldo and that little guy who wears the number 10 at Barcelona.
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Everyone is overrated. I mean just look at fake Ronaldo and that little guy who wears the number 10 at Barcelona.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
MrS
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On the contrary, £90m for Ronaldo was always going to be a bargain.
Kroos, Hazard, Kante
Liverpool fan? Liverpool fan.
Unreal Champ
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Took it too far
lol
I would put Suarez in that bracket. Maybe slightly better than the both of them.
Not just youngsters, British players in general.
I have my reasons, but too much to type up. People I've explained this to, usually agree with me.
What?
ambar_hitman
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I would rate Hazard highly. What would his transfer price be in this crazy market? 150m?
MrS
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£200m surely? He's still young and he is a proven superstar.
Around 200. He is at Neymar level more or less ( when he is fit).
ambar_hitman
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Yeah 200m looks fine. If Chelsea ever let him go for less than that it would be incredibly stupid. We should never let him go but we don't keep players who want to go. So no fucking idea what will happen.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Definitely agree.
MrS
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Neymar is 11 months younger than him.
MrS
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It's not about his marketing potential, it's about what Chelsea would be willing to sell him for and what the "going rate" is for a player of his calibre. Based on your argument Coutinho is nowhere near worth the £90m Barca are willing to pay for him.
ambar_hitman
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And Mbappe has branding? Dumbele too? What about Coutinho? All 3 are 100+ currently.
Correct but Neymar moved this summer. He is a more prolific scorer, most rate him as the third best player in the world, and is about to enter his prime. I doubt Hazard moves before next summer, if at all. Personally, I don't see him moving. Chelsea are not selling their best player. Anyone who comes in for Hazard better expect a bid for their best player in return.
MrS
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Neymar was 5th in ballon d'or voting last year and one could argue that Ramos, Neuer and Suarez are better than him/more valuable than him relative to their positions.
It would take an astronomical figure to move Hazard who you rightly say is Chelsea's best player. In the current market, £150m is no longer astronomical. That's why I think he's closer to £200m.
If only Morata stays in Juventus rather than going back to Madrid hiks.T_T I really love his time with us here.
Sato Koiji
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The consequences of Neymars transfer are going to be horrendous. Clubs will start to pay even more at a higher rate for worse players now.
MrS
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I'm not sure because it would depend on when he moves and if the market has calmed down a bit. If Dembele, a winger who has achieved very little, is valued by Dortmund at £135m, what is a player who is 28, also a winger, and has won the Champions League 3 times worth? More than Dembele I'd say.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Borussia Dortmund reject Barcelonas 100m offer for Ousmane Dembélé and suspend player
https://t.co/XTthu0MwzW
https://t.co/XTthu0MwzW
Hazard doesn't score half the goals neymar/messi/ronaldo/suarez score though, so he's a little under them I feel
That's just the next step of a development which started a long time ago. Good bye anyone not from PL and/or not owned by some rich guy.
Those investor owned clubs haven't been the most successful clubs internationally but there is no way they are not getting closer and closer. They have already shown domestic success and will continue to do so.
I hope Bayern will keep being competitive in the top 5 just on clever and sustainable mid-sized transfers for a few more years but I'm getting increasingly depressed when I think about the future. I just hope I'm wrong and those clubs which don't deserve to be up there keep failing regularly as before.
MrS
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Hazard's in a more competitive league and he doesn't have the GOAT (Messi) and the best striker on Earth (Suarez) to assist or assist him. It's like comparing apples to oranges, really. The players around Hazard aren't at the same level as the players Neymar had to work with. Hazard would actually be
the natural replacement for Neymar. Barca should test Chelsea's resolve. He would be a force in La Liga.
brokenbeans
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You wouldn't sell either if you knew you could get an extra 20-30 mil just for playing hardball.
Nah Sanchez is an absolutely fantastic player. The only problem is his attitude but in terms of skill he's not overrated at all.
McMoneyman
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I thought Coutinho was a bit overrated a couple of seasons ago. But the last season he really won me over to be honest.
Carl2291
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Mbappe and Dembele are priced like that because of their respective ages and potential.
Coutinho price is stupid though.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Sours me on him when he's in a shit position, or stood offside and then throws a strop when nobody passes to him
Don't really like his attitude at all tbh
cartographer
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Hazard doesn't have a current price because he would not be sold. I don't think Chelsea would listen to a figure in the Neymar range because they don't want to sell him, despite him being worse than Neymar.
Coutinho's in a similar situation, keeping the difference in club results and finances in mind. Liverpool wouldn't sell him for 150 million right now because he's not pushing a move and they don't want or need to sell him.
Player value isn't linear, either. You can only have 11 players on the field, so at some point the transfer value versus on field value gets skewed heavily in one direction.
Coutinho's in a similar situation, keeping the difference in club results and finances in mind. Liverpool wouldn't sell him for 150 million right now because he's not pushing a move and they don't want or need to sell him.
Player value isn't linear, either. You can only have 11 players on the field, so at some point the transfer value versus on field value gets skewed heavily in one direction.
I hope you're right and Boudebouz serves us well. Betis needs a star after Ceballos's exit.
MrS
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Every player has a price and transfer history has shown this. If the offer is right, the player will move. Selling Ronaldo to Madrid was unthinkable for Utd but it still happened. If Hazard wants to go, he'll go and Chelsea can't do anything about it because no club would let a player with his value rot in the reserves when they could make bank by selling him.
GoldenCrow
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If Wenger stopped sitting about all game and gave him a bollocking he wouldn't be anywhere near as bad. Same thing for when Ozil turns off.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Hard to call Wenger for this tbh, Ozil was the same at Madrid, it's how he is.
Can't speak for Alexis, as I didn't see him much at Barca
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Players got no class these days
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Wonder what defender PSG will buy for shit loads?
MrS
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If there isn't a leader in the dressing room to give him a bollocking, it really falls on Wenger to do it. "That's just how he is" isn't a good enough excuse when he's getting paid a small fortune. No leaders, still.
cartographer
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ambar_hitman
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Damn.
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