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Football Thread |OT10| A Street Ass Named Premier

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Vivalaraza

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Messi said:
... Because she is gorgeous

Something to this day really bothers me about Mad Men ( just assume these are spoilers if you are not caught up, you have been warned)

Joan's rape really bothered me but what bothers me more is the fact that she did nothing about it, atleast from what I remember. Am I to believe she would just accept that

I will say Joan is my favourite character too
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In the UK something like 75% of such cases go unreported. I assume that's similar in other countries too.
 
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DOBERMAN INC

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Lightning said:
Arsenal really active in getting the deadwood out of the club. We are finally starting to learn with these poor players.

Really hope we get David Villa in though. He will help a lot.
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He's an amazing player but do we need a 30 year old? I'd rather we buy a worse player who is younger but can become amazing.
 
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pappe

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DOBERMAN INC said:
He's an amazing player but do we need a 30 year old? I'd rather we buy a worse player who is younger but can become amazing.
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Speaking from a United fan point of view. I am a lot lot lot lot happier that we spent 24mil on 29 yr old RVP and not on 3 youngsters.
 
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DOBERMAN INC

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pappe said:
Speaking from a United fan point of view. I am a lot lot lot lot happier that we spent 24mil on 29 yr old RVP and not on 3 youngsters.
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That's worked out so far but any injury to him and suddenly the deal doesn't look too good. at 29 he'll take longer to recover and you will always have it in the back of your mind if he will come back weaker and more cautious taking chances or even lost a step or two.
 
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Salazar

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DOBERMAN INC said:
That's worked out so far but any injury to him and suddenly the deal doesn't look too good. at 29 he'll take longer to recover and you will always have it in the back of your mind if he will come back weaker and more cautious taking chances or even lost a step or two.
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Eh. There's no point in fretting like that over a player. Robin is remarkable but he's not everything.

man united ‏@manutdreserves
Watching training at Carrington and Anderson is playing in a practise game. Good news
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Andddoooooooo
 
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Lightning

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DOBERMAN INC said:
He's an amazing player but do we need a 30 year old? I'd rather we buy a worse player who is younger but can become amazing.
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In my honest opinion yes as we need a striker who is clinical, knows what they are doing, and can link up with those around him and Villa has the advantage of being buddies with Santi and Cesc is pushing him in our direction too. He's not the long term solution but will be great for 3 or so seasons and for 13-16mil isn't that a decent investment?

We have enough youth. Don't want another kid coming through the ranks.


DOBERMAN INC said:
That's worked out so far but any injury to him and suddenly the deal doesn't look too good. at 29 he'll take longer to recover and you will always have it in the back of your mind if he will come back weaker and more cautious taking chances or even lost a step or two.
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Not a good way to look at it. Signing Jovetic from Fio in Italy would be would obviously be the best thing to do but he will cost an arm and a leg, can't get him in January, and his injury record is out there as well. He would be perfect though and only 23yrs old and we'll need champions league football to lure him.

Not a realistic signing though. Cavani and Falcao are impossible signings so top quality and young is not easy to come by.
 
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DOBERMAN INC

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Salazar said:
Eh. There's no point in fretting like that over a player. Robin is remarkable but he's not everything.
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At Arsenal? I think there is,we have a limited squad and a big signing(wages,not purchase price) would effect any other possible players coming in, so while you would have backup we would be stuck with the side we have now and I think that should be in mind.

Lightning said:
In my honest opinion yes as we need a striker who is clinical, knows what they are doing, and can link up with those around him and Villa has the advantage of being buddies with Santi and Cesc is pushing him in our direction too. He's not the long term solution but will be great for 3 or so seasons and for 13-16mil isn't that a decent investment?

We have enough youth. Don't want another kid coming through the ranks.
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It would be decent but I don't like the idea,I like to think we should be competing with Barca for the players they want and not taking the players they don't.
It's clear we have the money,I just don't think we have the ambition.
 
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3Sixty

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CHELSEA reject Yossi Benayoun is in talks with Premier League strugglers Southampton after having his West Ham loan cut short.

Saints want the Israeli midfielder to cover for injured skipper Adam Lallana in their relegation battle.


Would makes sense, decent enough cover i guess.
 
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Lightning

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DOBERMAN INC said:
It would be decent but I don't like the idea,I like to think we should be competing with Barca for the players they want and not taking the players they don't.
It's clear we have the money,I just don't think we have the ambition.
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Compete with players Barcelona target? That's not realistic. Not even Man Utd can do that. You think if Barca showed interest in RVP he would be at Utd? Not a chance.

In January you can only take who's available and David Villa will help our squad immensely and is possible to get.


3Sixty said:
CHELSEA reject Yossi Benayoun is in talks with Premier League strugglers Southampton after having his West Ham loan cut short.

Saints want the Israeli midfielder to cover for injured skipper Adam Lallana in their relegation battle.


Would makes sense, decent enough cover i guess.
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Wenger is a wanker for not signing him in the summer. Much better on our flank than Podolski.
 
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Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
3Sixty said:
CHELSEA reject Yossi Benayoun is in talks with Premier League strugglers Southampton after having his West Ham loan cut short.

Saints want the Israeli midfielder to cover for injured skipper Adam Lallana in their relegation battle.


Would makes sense, decent enough cover i guess.
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Benayoun is a good player, it's a shame what's happened to him the last few years. Another move to Chelsea that made zero sense.
 
pulga

pulga

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Any big signings guys? Or plausible rumors. I'm not keeping up with the news these days!
Has Juve signed anyone? :(
Has Madrid sold Benzema yet? /Turok_TTZ
 
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DOBERMAN INC

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Lightning said:
Compete with players Barcelona target? That's not realistic. Not even Man Utd can do that. You think if Barca showed interest in RVP he would be at Utd? Not a chance.

In January you can only take who's available and David Villa will help our squad immensely and is possible to get.



Wenger is a wanker for not signing him in the summer. Much better on our flank than Podolski.
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I guess so,but it would be nice once in a while for the board to excite us a little.

I would agree that we should have bought Yossi over Podolski though.
 
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Yurt

il capo silenzioso
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fadetoblack said:
Hey, what happened to the Andrea Poli deal we had on lock? I'd happily take him if we ditched Padoin, maybe.
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Padoin? Who's that?
pulga said:
Has Juve signed anyone? :(
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Peluso is the only one so far.

Conte talked about Llorente in his presser so that pretty much confirms he's ours! He was also confused about the reports on Drogba because he never asked for him. Italian papers am cry.
 
pulga

pulga

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Lightning said:
Yeah we paid 1mil for Casillas and gave you mannone in return. You got a bargain! /Mou
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Eh, we could've done worse and taken Walcott off your hands. Deal.

Yurt said:
Padoin? Who's that?


Peluso is the only one so far.

Conte talked about Llorente in his presser so that pretty much confirms he's ours! He was also confused about the reports on Drogba because he never asked for him, nor he was offered to him by his agent.
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Yeah, Im reading about Peluso right now. 29 year-old utility man? Is he any good? Hopefully he's a capable Chiello stop-gap. Still think Caceres should get more starts.
 
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Zabojnik

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pulga said:
Yeah, Im reading about Peluso right now. 29 year-old utility man? Is he any good? Hopefully he's a capable Chiello stop-gap. Still think Caceres should get more starts.
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He's solid. Conte knows him from his Atalanta days. He'll do fine as Chiello's backup.
 
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Yurt

il capo silenzioso
pulga said:
Yeah, Im reading about Peluso right now. 29 year-old utility man? Is he any good? Hopefully he's a capable Chiello stop-gap. Still think Caceres should get more starts.
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He scored on Torino, played out of his mind against Inter and leads the Aggression chart with 6 yellows and 2 reds. <3

I'd like to see more of Caceres too but he plays on the right now I guess.
 
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confuziz

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Feyenoord bought Pelle for around 3 million euros from Parma. Not a bad deal I think, but I don't think he can keep up his level all year. He's quite old too.
 
pulga

pulga

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Yurt said:
He scored on Torino, played out of his mind against Inter and leads the Aggression chart with 6 yellows and 2 reds. <3

I'd like to see more of Caceres too but he plays on the right now I guess.
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lolololololol that's not saying much.
 
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Vivalaraza

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The case for David Moyes:

David Moyes, heir apparent.

During a recent private conversation with Sir Alex Ferguson, cycling czar Sir David Brailsford inquired of the 26-year coach of the biggest sports team in the world, &#8220;what is your secret to constant success and longevity?&#8221;

&#8220;Get rid of the cunts&#8221;, was Ferguson&#8217;s reply.

In his typically effervescent way, the response is clarion clear. In Ferguson&#8217;s view group stability is the key to unlocking the door to a long path of success. Whether it&#8217;s brusque casting aside of important players who had become disruptive to the regime, or the allegiant focus on youth and future potential, to his adamant refusal to publicly disrespect his contestable employers in the Glazer tribe, everything Ferguson does at the club is dogmatically focused on maintaining a stability. It&#8217;s a stability plan that&#8217;s always required him as the fulcrum of course, but he&#8217;s been doing it so well that no fan would have it any other way. The problem is, soon we will have to.

This legacy of the stability of Ferguson at United is what should be heeded most carefully upon his retirement. There is no avoiding the boat being rocked at that moment. Not even the aggressive Malcolm Glazer tidal wave and the media storm the fan reaction brought was enough to destabilize the ship under Ferguson. The exits of star players popular with fans like Ince, Stam, Beckham, Keane, Van Nistelrooy, non of these potentially damaging rifts ever destabilized the vessel. The vital thing down all the years was clear; no outside influences must be allowed to effect the players on the pitch. If we are to learn anything from his time, it should be allowed to be no different when he is no longer around.

But at some point, the catch-22 in the Ferguson master plan will be upon us. The man that has devoted his life to keeping United stable, will be unavoidably at the heart of the clubs most traumatic schism.

Enter Moyes.

Not an opinion I held until quite recently, but like the finest reds in Ferguson&#8217;s cellar, the idea of David Moyes as manager has gotten better over time. In the past 10 years managers names allegedly in the frame have come and gone, waxed an waned, yet Moyes&#8217; has stayed steady. Moyes doesn&#8217;t have a gleaming trophy cabinet. Yet his fellow managers have voted him a record 3-time LMA Manager of the Year for good reasons. And I believe these reasons make him the most suited candidate for the job. The fact is, there is no easy option to replace Ferguson. Moyes&#8217; lack of experience in Champions League games for me counts against him far more than his lack of trophies, yet his experience in English league football is unrivaled amongst other potential suitors.


&#8220;&#8216;When I was a player at Celtic and Alex was manager at Aberdeen, I&#8217;d sit on the bench at Celtic watching him, and I was just struck by the intensity, the passion, the drive.&#8221;
-Moyes


The transition to a Moyes led Old Trafford would be the smoothest, and not only in terms of the football played. The personal similarities alone between the two Glaswegians is in itself uncanny. Moyes is from Partick, a part of Glasgow that sits directly opposite across the river of Ferguson&#8217;s famous area of Govan. Ferguson&#8217;s father was a shipbuilder in Govan, and Moyes&#8217; father worked as a draughtsman in the same shipbuilders. It goes on, Moyes&#8217; father also coached one of the boy&#8217;s teams that a wee Alex Ferguson played for. Both men have been brought up with fiercely working-class values, and both men as managers instill this no-nonsense and hard-work ethos into their teams.


Moyes exemplifies stability.


Firstly, Moyes being British affords him a great advantage over continental suitors. The long-term inclinations and history of both Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho is contestable. Mourinho&#8217;s relations with club owners makes him a genuine risk as manager, and his affiliations with Chelsea don&#8217;t sit great with me personally. Pep&#8217;s Barca-burnout naturally makes you wonder if he could cope with the extravagant stress and focus on United, especially long-term. Mourinho has often stated he wants to return to England at some point (in doing so at the same time destabilising his own team in Madrid), but he has also stated his strong desire to manage the Portuguese national team eventually.

Moyes&#8217; attraction for and experience in planning for the long-term gives him more similarities with Ferguson, and means he already is in tune with the club&#8217;s values. His canny and thrifty dealings in the transfer market shows he is not a manager who relies or needs masses of cash to do his job. Could Jose Mourinho work comfortably under the same restraints? It&#8217;s fairly unknown. What is known is that Mourinho has had confrontations with bosses who have not given him the cash he feels he needs, when he feels he needs it. In tempestuous times in managerial climates Moyes has been the beacon of stability for his club for 10 years with humble resources.


Youth development.

When Moyes joined Everton, in 2002, he said &#8220;what Everton need more than anything is stability and continuity. That will come through having a group of young players..and a manager to lead them&#8221;. Of course Moyes was the manager who successfully unleashed Wayne Rooney into the league, and has always shown interest in young players and players with potential when possible. He recently commented on his admiration of the youth policies of German teams, and his desire to emulate them. Leon Osman, Tony Hibbert, Wayne Rooney, Victor Anichebe, Jack Rodwell are some Everton academy graduates Moyes has successfully brought into the first team. (A side note of trivia while we&#8217;re on the subject, Moyes coincidentally was the Preston assistant manager when David Beckham was successfully sent there on loan by Sir Alex.)

Youth development of course has always been crucial, if not the most crucial tenet at Old Trafford, and it&#8217;s absolutely vital we bring in a manager post-Ferguson who understands and encourages this. A British manager, also, has a major advantage in this case. Ability to communicate completely effectively and relate or explain some cultural intricacies to young players in this country is indispensable.


Style of play.

This season, as I write this on 4 January 2013, Everton have scored more goals from open play than either Chelsea or Man City. Any watcher of Everton can see that Moyes has a real understanding of team-play, it&#8217;s an understated fact that Everton display some of the most attractive one touch passing and interplay in the league. Moyes&#8217; teams play with width and deliver plenty of crosses. It&#8217;s an attractive style of play the fans at Old Trafford are accustomed to watching, with wide midfielders linking and exchanging with their full backs.

Whatever players are around at Old Trafford when Ferguson moves on, under Moyes there will not need to be a potentially dramatic overhaul of the United style of play, potentially destabilizing the way the players are used to playing. Moyes&#8217; teams are good at creating scoring chances and attacking set pieces, it&#8217;s an aggressive style of play that suits the Old Trafford faithful. Defensively, last season Everton finished with the fourth best defence in the league.

Moyes&#8217; teams are also noted for their strong ability to come back from losing positions. Indeed, Moyes&#8217; ability to bounce back from upset was probably most evident after the season they finished 17th, 2004, just avoiding relegation. The following season they finished in 4th, qualifying for the Champions League, where they went out unfortunately to a Villareal team who went on to be unbeaten in the group stage that included Sir Alex&#8217;s United, and reached the semi-finals.


Transfer market.


Operating under one of the tightest budgets in the league, Moyes&#8217; hawkish eye for a successful player has more than impressive. Jelavic (6m), Lescott (4m), Arteta (3m), Jagielka (4m), Cahill(2m), Fellaini (15m), Pienaar (2m), Neville (3.6m) and Baines (6m) have all been unbridled success stories. Moyes&#8217; track record of achieving his aims with minimal funding should make him a serious contender in the eyes of any potential employers. With United currently in debts of over £300 million, a manager in charge who needs to demand a new stock of expensive players to fit in with his methods is surely a recipe for disaster. Moyes, like Ferguson, is known to be a bit of an obsessive when it comes to monitoring potential players. Often jetting to multiple countries during a week to watch players. It&#8217;s the sort of effort in detail successful managers are known for.


Media


The idiosyncrasies of the press and media coverage in English football requires a manager who is experienced in dealing with it. The scrutiny, especially that United and it&#8217;s players are under of course, is intense. No manager that is replacing Ferguson is getting a free-ride, the pressure will be like no other any manager has faced, but Moyes has a good relationship with British press and this would again surely help with the stability of the club at this time. This is again an area I have my concerns about Mourinho. A media darling, but this is mainly due to his soundbites. His apparently unstoppable desire for making &#8216;outrageous&#8217; comments to the press has a high possibility of backfiring on Mourinho, and therefore United, at such a delicate time.


In conclusion

While David Moyes was a young and ambitious manager of Preston, he had a managerial offer from a Premier League club. Ferguson, who was contacted in a request for guidance by Moyes, told the young manager to reject the offer, and wait. Twelve years on, Moyes has shown himself in my opinion to be a man capable of stepping into Ferguson&#8217;s own position, when the time is right. As I previously said, there simply is no easy choice for this unique position. Guardiola and Mourinho clearly have the European experience that a club like United might expect of a new manager. However, I think the benefits of appointing Moyes out-weigh this point. European success isn&#8217;t guaranteed for any manager, and plenty have also succeeded without any prior experience.


Ferguson has always preached continuity, but he has also often achieved that continuity through change. I think in employing Moyes (and as long as SAF&#8217;s health is good, I don&#8217;t expect it to be anytime soon), United would keep alive that great tradition.
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Giggs-Boson - David Moyes, heir apparent

Good article with some very good points.
 
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Yurt

il capo silenzioso
Boateng &#8220;This isn&#8217;t something you can just shake off, I&#8217;ll sleep on it for the next three nights. I&#8217;ll meet my agent Roger Wittmann next week and see if there&#8217;s still a point to playing in Italy.&#8221;

This reflects my opinion >

@Juventus_FC_fan

Every Serie A team has black players but Boateng made this issue about himself. If he cared about racism, he'd fight it. Not abandon ship.

Boateng is a guy who abandoned his own country Ghana by retiring from International duty at the age of 23. Most conceited player ever.

If Boateng wanted to leave Milan, the least he could do is be honest like Cassano & question Milan's ambition. Not blame an entire nation.
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Well played Boateng.

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Ranocchia: "I believe in the Scudetto because I am convinced Juventus is not the better team"
 
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bjaelke

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How have Gaston Ramirez and Gylfi Sigurdsson performed this season? Almost caught up to 4 months worth of Football Weekly and they hardly mentioned the two players on the show.
 
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Milchmonster

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Yurt said:
Boateng “This isn’t something you can just shake off, I’ll sleep on it for the next three nights. I’ll meet my agent Roger Wittmann next week and see if there’s still a point to playing in Italy.”

This reflects my opinion >


Well played Boateng.
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He just wants to get back to Dortmund :D

Boateng on Klopp:
"Jürgen Klopp is the best German coach to me, he has qualities that no one else has."

Klopp on Boateng:
"Kevin is one hell of a guy."
"We would have loved to keep him but we just didn't have the money which Tottenham wanted. If we had the money tomorrow, he'd be here again the day after."

Yeah, I want it to happen. We need another AM and CM, Boateng would fill both.
 
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Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
bjaelke said:
How have Gaston Ramirez and Gylfi Sigurdsson performed this season? Almost caught up to 4 months worth of Football Weekly and they hardly mentioned the two players on the show.
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Gylfi has not started much since we signed Dempsey, but in the last 6 weeks he's been very good off the bench. He hasn't scored in the PL but he has about 4 assists, plus a couple of goals and assists in the cup. He's a squad player for us but I like him and I think the fans are starting to like him too.

Ramirez has been injured a lot and doesn't seem to quite have the trust of the manager yet, but he scored in the draw with Arsenal. His career in the PL has hit off to the same sort of start that Bryan Ruiz' did.
 
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Kamakazie!

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Wilbury said:
In theory this is my fave possible formation, but for some reason we look a little lost with no wingers
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Only because we never play any other way.
Give it time to settle as a formation for a few prem games and I think it would work excellently against quite a few teams.
 
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Kyoufu

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Our squad is non-existent honestly. Needs massive investment (money which we don't have) to get anywhere in the league/cups.
 
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