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Saves the big teams from doing any of the hard work.
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Saves the big teams from doing any of the hard work.
What's the need? He is obviously was good enough to start in United's midfield. I'd be annoyed if I were a United fan.
Oh you had to go wind it up? Now it's open season for them to bash us!
Clegg, I saw your PM late, but I replied eventually!
Yeah, I am annoyed we didn't keep Pogba.
Taking digs from an Arsenal fan though :lol, priceless
Yeah, I am annoyed we didn't keep Pogba.
Taking digs from an Arsenal fan though :lol, priceless
Because it's laughable. He couldn't get into United's midfield yet he got into Juventus? Let them "bash" us. It's hilarious .
RIP Nick Broad.
He was PSG's Performance manager.
He died in a car accident on Thursday and he was only 38.
You'll be missed.
He was PSG's Performance manager.
He died in a car accident on Thursday and he was only 38.
You'll be missed.
Well, he is still second choice for Juventus, so lets not go around sucking Mino's dick just yet.
Yes, it was a massive oversight from Fergie. But I think that he stuck to his principals and didn't bow to a youth player that proved nothing asking for extortionate amounts of money, and I respect that.
How else were they going to accommodate grandpa Scholes?
Oh I agree, especially when they keep moaning about not having midfielders. Every time Pogba does well I have a good laugh.
Bow to a youth player? If you gave him a chance you'd have seen how talented he was.
I know how talented he is. I'm pretty sure Fergie knows how talented he is. The fact remains he was asking for a ludicrous amount of money instead of signing a deal after being told he'd get a chance this season. He was told that but instead of signing for lesser money at United, he went and signed for more money at Juventus. Good luck to him, he made the choice he felt was right.
Played in a few cup and league games, but Fergie was relying on experience to close the gap on City and win the title. Probably still the wisest choice in hindsight.
Pogba was told that this season was a fresh start and he'd get chances, but decided to look elsewhere. It's partly Fergie's fault, yeah. But I don't blame him for doing what he did.
PowderedToast
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borini and suso are the hottest players in the league
suso for his airhead expressions and slick fringe and borini for his huge beautiful eyes and fantastic facial hair
suso for his airhead expressions and slick fringe and borini for his huge beautiful eyes and fantastic facial hair
I'd be fucked off if I had his ability and United didn't recognize it. Let's not suger coat it, he made the right decision leaving United.
Yep. He would have played a bunch this season, I'm sure of it. But it didn't work out. Salva's trying to paint it as if Fergus promised him a Phelan handjob special and he didn't even get a look in, but maybe it's just hard for him to understand why you'd turn to experience for winning a title seeing as hardly anyone at Arsenal has experience or experience of winning titles.
Well look at him blossom now with Juve reaping the benefits from a good deal for them.
I actually agree
Gareth Bale
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Daft? He got a pay rise and more opportunities to play by leaving. Where was the incentive for him to stay?
The one good United youth player has left.
Who says United didn't recognise it? They played him in Carling Cup games, he got some cameos in league games. The first two FA Cup games were against City and Liverpool's first teams, would have been a baptism of fire. When it came to a title run in, SAF relied on Scholes who had been there and done it all before instead of an 18 year old.
Then he's told that he's a part of next season's plans but leaves for a bigger offer. His career is now following the exact trajectory it would have at United; start off slow in cup games, get eased into league action.
He did make a good decision leaving United because he's getting paid more for what would have been an equivalent amount of game time, but you're talking like he's a first teamer after what, a few strong league performances? Everyone knows letting him go was somewhat of a mistake, but Fergie stuck to his guns like he has done since time immemorial. This is coming off as more an attempt to criticise Fergie and United rather than an actual comment on how we would have utilised him this season or whatever.
The ceiling is bigger at United. Juventus are great though, and he's definitely going to have a successful career there. I just think he lacked a bit of foresight.
Pogba wasn't our youth product.
And I'm not talking about academy players. I mean integrating younger players into the first team. Be they academy graduates or new signings.
United are usually very good at that process. Fergie has done great work bedding in younger players alongside our more experienced one's.
He's won titles off the back of that policy.
Why would he trust you? You are playing two old age pensioners in midfield. Juventus obviously recognized his talent and offered him a place in their project. You offered him nothing.
Gareth Bale
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But he can always move again for more money if he wants. There are bigger ceilings than United.
Wilbury there's no guarantee that he would have got the same amount of games at United.
I don't agree with more opportunities to play, he would have got the same. I'm sure at the start of the season people would have said Scholes and Giggs were going to be ahead of Anderson and Cleverley but barring injury issues, they haven't. Pogba would have had just as much game time for United this season as he has done for Juventus.
Nonsense saying Scholes would be ahead of him when Scholes is last in our CM pecking order at the moment. It's just selective thinking.
Nonsense saying Scholes would be ahead of him when Scholes is last in our CM pecking order at the moment. It's just selective thinking.
The battle of the scum!
Neither of these teams are scum though.
I honestly think this is nonsense. You would have offered Pogba as much opportunity as ever, nothing.
This place is getting heated tonight, I like it.
While we are at it, United fucked up letting Pique go home
Honestly, I've no problem with United getting rid of Pique.
He was never in a million years going to displace Rio or Vidic. Those two were world class in their prime and Pique would barely have gotten a look in.
Even if we'd have kept him longer, he would have left a couple of seasons later due to a lack of games.
He ain't that good either.
Why did you get rid of Rossi?
Gareth Bale
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I think he probably would have out on loan like Evans, Cleverley and Welbeck did.
We are playing Michael Carrick and Tom Cleverley in midfield. Juventus offered him a place as a back up player, same as we did. The difference is they offered him more money. I don't resent them or Pogba for that, but you're basing your assumptions that we offered him nothing or he'd be last in the imaginary long line of midfielders behind first teamers Scholes and Giggs on almost fuck all, apart from SAF's preference to select wise old heads in a title run in.
You're either trolling or ignoring my posts completely, which is odd from who is normally such a level headed poster.
@Bale, of course there's no guarantee. But if we're taking that tack, then the shit about two pensioners being ahead of him has to stop, considering that out of our four centre midfielders the pensioner is currently last in the pecking order, and out of our four/five wingers, the other pensioner is currently last in the pecking order.
He would have got more game time. It came down to money and a little distrust in SAF, if you ask me. I've got every right to believe the season he's having at Juventus would have been pretty much replicated at United.
Rossi is the player I'm most disappointed at United losing.
In general, United are very good at giving opportunities to younger players they feel will make the grade.
But the entire team was built around RVN and Rossi was just never going to get a look in.
Ruud was just too vital a player for us to drop.
In general, United are very good at giving opportunities to younger players they feel will make the grade.
But the entire team was built around RVN and Rossi was just never going to get a look in.
Ruud was just too vital a player for us to drop.
The_Hitcher89
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No team is scum really. The closest we have are Millwall and Leeds I'd imagine, and there's still a lot of people involved at all levels of those clubs who are far from scum.
As ever? In the one season he had as a professional? Being 18 years of age? Playing in our Carling Cup games? Not being given a baptism of fire against City and Liverpool's first teams in the FA Cup? Being given substitute time when the result was safe instead of giving him the added pressure of trying to be an essential part of an ultimately unsuccessful tilt at the title?
What are you basing your opinion on? If its just that he had no opportunity last year, then it's a quite narrow minded view with no regard for context.
He would be awesome for you guys. Plus, he would of probably never gotten injured like he did at Villarreal.
Gareth Bale
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See, I don't think you do have any right to believe that. He played 18 games for Juventus so far. There's no chance in hell he would have got that many games at United, especially after what happened in the CL last season.
How do you know that he was offered the same opportunities at United? We know that he was frustrated with the lack of playing time, and I don't think its unwise to assume that Ferguson would place faith in Giggs or Scholes, like he has done on many of an occasion this season.
Are you guys too good for your errors to be pointed out? United fans are certainly quick to point out other teams short comings.
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