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For a console that many deem a failure, the Gamecube kicked ass

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Grug

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Note, this thread was originally titled "Gamecube: Of all the systems to have lost its generation, it is by far the best." I edited the title as it didn't represent what I was really trying to say.

I have ignored the vast majority of non-exclusive third party games except for a couple that did the Gamecube proud. For a console that has lost it's generation, it sure kicked a whole lot of ass.

Animal Crossing
Baten Kaitos
Battallion Wars
Donkey Kong:Jungle Beat
Donkey Konga
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
Final Fantasy:Crystal Chronicles
F-Zero GX
Geist
Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
Ikaruga
Killer 7
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
Mario Kart: Double Dash
Mario Power Tennis
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime: Echoes
MGS: Twin Snakes
Paper Mario 2:The Thousand Year Door
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Resident Evil 0
Resident Evil Remake
Resident Evil 4
Skies of Arcadia: Legends
Soul Calibur II
Super Mario Sunshine
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2
Super Smash Bros:Melee
Tales of Symphonia
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Legend of Zelda: The Four Swords
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Viewtiful Joe
Viewtiful Joe 2
Wave Race:Blue Storm


Honorable Mentions (good games but didnt deserve th be listed with the others)
1080 Avalanche
Wario Ware: Mega Partygames
Wario World
Mario Party 4
Mario Party 5
Mario Party 6
Mario Party 7
Luigi's Mansion
Star Wars:Rogue Leader
Star Wars:Rogue Leader 2
Super Mario Strikers
Super Mario Baseball
 
Hmm, you've listed some very average titles with some exceptionally awesome titles there.
I also think N64 was alot better.
 
drohne said:
pce, genesis, neo geo, saturn, n64, dreamcast, and xbox are all far better. imo.
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Xbox came second in its generation, it doesn't count.

As for Dreamcast, it isnt tied to a particular generation.

It was sent back in time by Segata Sanshiro to help mankind evolve.
 
shrug. even devout nintendo fans should prefer n64 to gamecube -- the gamecube library is fattened by multiplatform 3rd party stuff, but n64 has the better nintendo games.

and gamecube over genesis? come on.
 
drohne said:
pce, genesis, neo geo, saturn, n64, dreamcast, and xbox are all far better. imo.
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Your thoughts mean abolutly nothing in this thread.


You knew that already though. Pit stop for trolls.
 
Too many so called classic n64 games were plagued by frame rate problems that made alot of them unplayable to me.

I also found the low quality textured polygons hard on the eyes.

I think alot of SNES games were visually more appealing than N64 games.

I think LTTP looks nicer than OOT.
 
Grug said:
Too many so called classic n64 games were plagued by frame rate problems that made alot of them unplayable to me.
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I wonder if the Revolution will emulate those shitty framerates, too.
 
Juice said:
I wonder if the Revolution will emulate those shitty framerates, too.
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God I hope not, if I can play Conkers Bad Fur Day at a smooth frame rate, I'll be thrilled.

Same goes for Perfect Dark.
 
Son of Godzilla said:
That list you made is a joke. Metroid Prime, F-Zero, and Zelda. Everything else is mediocre.
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This last sentence is a joke. I would have halved this list though.
 
Grug said:
Too many so called classic n64 games were plagued by frame rate problems that made alot of them unplayable to me.
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Impressive back then though. Anyway, its all subjective of course, but I think you padded your list a fair bit. Most of the titles up the top are in the same league as the titles down the bottom or worse. I would certainly be hesitant to make such a grand declaration as this thread title with that to back it up...
 
teruterubozu said:
During the N64 era, you tolerated it.
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Yeah I tolerated it, but stepping out into Hyrule in OOT as Link didnt blow me away like it should have, everything looked grainy.

Link to the Past may have just been sprites, but it was visually stunning. The first time I stepped on a portal and entered the Dark World literally sent shivers down my spine.

I didn't get that feeling again until I played The Wind Waker.
 
Striek said:
Impressive back then though. Anyway, its all subjective of course, but I think you padded your list a fair bit. Most of the titles up the top are in the same league as the titles down the bottom or worse. I would certainly be hesitant to make such a grand declaration as this thread title with that to back it up...
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Granted, alot of those titles can't be called blockbusters, but alot of them are original titles that really set the Gamecube apart from the mainstream and defined it as a great gaming machine.

Wind Waker
Pikmin 1 & 2
Animal Crossing
Eternal Darkness
Luigi's Mansion
Metroid Prime
Paper Mario
Fire Emblem
DK:Jungle Beat
Super Monkey Ball
Wario Ware
Viewtiful Joe & Killer 7 (they were Gamecube titles first)
 
As a devout Nintendo fan myself, I have to agree that the N64 was better than the Cube. Of course I'm kinda biased, since I more or less stopped playing games for a good chunk of the GC's lifetime, whereas N64 came out during my prime game-playing years.

But still, games like Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Goldeneye, F-Zero X, etc. are about as good as gaming gets, and the GC doesn't really have anything to match those games, aside from probably Metroid Prime.
 
WHen I created this thread, N64 didnt really enter my mind anway, I dont really consider it to have lost its generation.

I should have called the thread "For a Console deemed to be unsuccessful, the Gamecube kicked ass"
 
I will say that I also think the N64 was superior to Gamecube. In my opinion, the Rare games (BK and Diddy Kong Racing are two of my favorite games of all time), plus the fact that IMO Ocarina of Time > Wind Waker and Mario 64 > Sunshine are the most important reasons.
 
GC without any other consoles or PC sucks, but with RE4 and MP it is has 2 titles in gamerankings and my personal top 10. Plus some more nice stuff (playing throught the complete RE series right now).

btw. GC might turn out to be #2 in worldwide hardware sales
 
Well, it's worth noting that out of the top 5 games of ALL TIME, averaged from all available online reviews and in magazines, on GameRankings...

Four are on Nintendo platforms... two N64 and two GCN... and the last one is Dreamcast :)

So... that should say something at the very least.
 
Ikaris said:
Well, it's worth noting that out of the top 5 games of ALL TIME, averaged from all available online reviews and in magazines, on GameRankings...

Four are on Nintendo platforms... two N64 and two GCN... and the last one is Dreamcast :)

So... that should say something at the very least.
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SC #2?
MP #4?
Tekken 3 + NFL2K1 in the top 10?

That list is pretty shit.
I also remember how they had to change there system after the hate when the GB MGS got #1. So they = suck.
 
The Saturn had about 8 good games.

Saying you prefer having a Saturn to a GameCube is worse than my hatred of Psychonauts based on their shitty joke.
 
Most of the GameCube games will hold up better through time than the N64 games (try playing Turok of late?). Also the GameCube had a lot better multiplatform third party support. Most on this board would ignore the third party support for a couple of reasons. 1. They played those exact same games (like the Prince of Persias, Splinter Cells, Maddens, Resident Evils, SSXs, the Timespliters, Tigers, first couple of Burnouts, Soul Calibur 2, Beyond Good and Evil etc.) on another system. Secondly, there was more crap, then good, while on the N64 there wasnÂ’t much crap, because there wasnÂ’t much period.
 
drohne said:
pce, genesis, neo geo, saturn, n64, dreamcast, and xbox are all far better. imo.
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Yes, yes, yes and yes. All in my opinion of course.

If Twilight Princess is the best Zelda yet, maybe it'll leapfrog a couple of places. (that remeains realistically doubtful at this point in time, though) However, right now all I'm feeling is a good system that I have had more than a fair amount of fun with, but the truth is: I have had better. In any case, I do agree that for a system that's supposed to be a "failure", it's damn great.
 
Solo said:
N64, easily. Had way more classics then GC. Way more.
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Two of those classics can be played on the GameCube. ZOoT and MM! :)

The GameCube had more depth. From the previous posts I see some of you have dismissed gamerankings.com, but I'll use them anyway, as I can see no other objective measure at the moment.

The 25th rated GameCube game is at 89.5%
The 25th rated Nintendo 64 game is at 87.5%

The 50th rated GameCube game is at 86.2%
The 50th rated Nintendo 64 game is at 83%

The 100th rated GameCube game is at 81.3%
The 100th rated Nintendo 64 game is at 73.9%

The 150th rated GameCube game is at 78.0%
The 150th rated Nintendo 64 game is at 62.5%

To add to the numbers, I would like to note that I think standards for 3D games are a lot more stringent than they were at the time for Turok and Banjo Kazooie. Sure gameplay is king, but the low polygonal, muddy textured games with terribly low frame rates of the N64 do effect game enjoyment. While they were tolerated then, those games are like a kick in the nuts now.
 
Grug said:
Too many so called classic n64 games were plagued by frame rate problems that made alot of them unplayable to me.

I also found the low quality textured polygons hard on the eyes.

I think alot of SNES games were visually more appealing than N64 games.

I think LTTP looks nicer than OOT.
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Finally, you wouldnt believe how long I've waited for someone to say that. Cheers.
 
malek4980 said:
Most of the GameCube games will hold up better through time than the N64 games (try playing Turok of late?)
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On this topic though, I tend to rate systems as of how much enjoyment I got on them over the course of their generation. I wonder do other people feel the same way or do they rank systems more based on how they hold up currently (or a combination of the two).

To me the fact that I really loved and put serious hours into a bunch of N64 classics makes that a more memorable system than GC (which I enjoyed though not nearly as much for many reasons), even though some of those games (like Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, which are almost painful IMO to play today in single player especially) don't hold up today.
 
briefcasemanx said:
The few and the proud(tm) Saturn owners will surely disagree with you.
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I own both an American and a Japanese Saturn. I even have MMX4 and Symphony of the Night for it. But I've spent far more time with the Cube, and sent on an island, I'd take the Cube.
 
GitarooMan said:
On this topic though, I tend to rate systems as of how much enjoyment I got on them over the course of their generation.
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That's a fair point. I don't look at that way myself, but I can see how that's a good personal standard. I just think for many people nostalgia and personal biases along with personal limitations (how many of the games you played at the time) would make this an unreliable measure.
 
Most of the GameCube games will hold up better through time than the N64 games (try playing Turok of late?)
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Actually, YES, I have. Turok is one of the few N64 games that I believe holds up very well still today (ONLY the original). It runs at a rock solid 30 fps, animtes better than even some of the latest FPS titles, and generally feels very polished.

Within the last year, I actually replayed the entire game and had a blast doing so. I believe some of those responsible for the game worked on Metroid Prime...and you can tell. The game is very solid.

In general, though, N64 games do not hold up at all. Only those with stable framerates and visuals that do not attempt to be over ambitious. I feel that many of the earliest N64 games are the only ones that still remain playable to this day (as they went for very simple, clean surfaces at smooth framerates).
 
malek4980 said:
That's a fair point. I don't look at that way myself, but I can see how that's a good personal standard. I just think for many people nostalgia and personal biases along with personal limitations (how many of the games you played at the time) would make this an unreliable measure.
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I think that's a good point, and that's what gamerankings and other stuff might be for, a more objective ranking. I think in that sense, Gamecube probably beats N64 objectively, mostly because it did have better third-party support and probably a similar amount of quality first-party games (although I think this may be debatable).

In a personal sense, though, it comes down to which system had games which you got more enjoyment out of. I don't know if that's unreliable, it's just inherently more subjective given that it's a single, personal, opinion. I do also agree nostalgia affects almost everybody, it could be that in 5 years many are looking back on GC in a much more positive light (although for some reason, it just feels like that won't be the case)

EDIT: I do still think, though that judging games on how they hold up is a little problematic because for example, many PSX games look terrible today but that system was great. Does that mean, say, Xbox and GC and PS2 are necessarily better? IMO, no
 
I agree with drohne except for Dreamcast. GameCube easily trumps that abortion.

Xbox is debatable too, but PCE, Genesis and especially Saturn absolutely rape GameCube in terms of lineups.
 
Gamecube is a great system especially now since the price is really low...
I love my gamecube (played it a lot more than ps2 and xbox) :)
 
jarrod said:
I agree with drohne except for Dreamcast. GameCube easily trumps that abortion.

Xbox is debatable too, but PCE, Genesis and especially Saturn absolutely rape GameCube in terms of lineups.
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xbox has way more great games than GC, I don't thats debatable at all really.
 
drohne said:
pce, genesis, neo geo, saturn, n64, dreamcast, and xbox are all far better. imo.
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I like how trolls always like Nintendo products after they're off the shelves and no longer a threat to their console of choice.
 
Gamecube >>> n64.

I don't like rare games and I don't like framerate issues.

Saturn was great because of it' arcade ports and not original games. Many of its games were better on psx.

Too many so called classic n64 games were plagued by frame rate problems that made alot of them unplayable to me.

I also found the low quality textured polygons hard on the eyes.

I think alot of SNES games were visually more appealing than N64 games.

I think LTTP looks nicer than OOT
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I completely agree with this. Loved AlttP, never played Oot very far. It was a step back in terms of world detail.
 
Son of Godzilla said:
Ya, but too many GC games sucked, so it evens out.
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:lol





quetz67 said:
Thats about the same as saying reviews mean shit
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M3wThr33 said:
The Saturn had about 8 good games.

Saying you prefer having a Saturn to a GameCube is worse than my hatred of Psychonauts based on their shitty joke.
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:lol The Saturn sodomizes the Gamecube, then leaves it with a pearl necklace...





jarrod said:
I agree with drohne except for Dreamcast. GameCube easily trumps that abortion.
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:lol Another laughable notion...

I agree with the sentiment that the N64 had more quality output then the Cube...something I didn't think I'd be saying a few years ago.
 
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