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For a console that many deem a failure, the Gamecube kicked ass
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Not as much as the whole subpar Dreamcast experience hurt my gamer heart.marc^o^ said:
Mostly sure, but there's still a few 3D games which aren't too bad looking. Tobal 2, Crash Team Racing, Conker or DOA Saturn all spring to mind.Shinobi said:
Visuals are just one element of game quality though I'd say. I'd still rather play Majora's Mask than The Wind Waker, and still maintain it's a better game even though it unquestionably looks much worse.
People did the same for PC Engine and 3DO sadly. I'd actually expect the same for Revolution. :/Shinobi said:
Considering I was like 15 when the Saturn released, I wasn't exactly in a place to import Japanese games. Nevermind the fact that I can't read Japanese text. If Sega didn't take the initiative to make the NA support as good as the Japanese support, it ain't my fault. Failure.Mzo said:
Did you play Samba de Amigo, Virtua Tennis, Virtual On, Jet Set Radio, Shemue, Crazy Taxi, F355, Soul Calibur, RE Code Veronica, NFL2K1, Power Stone, etc. at that time? It was all but subpar.jarrod said:Not as much as the whole subpar Dreamcast experience hurt my gamer heart.
Most of the good imports weren't really held back by a language barrier. Some (like all the Capcom fighters) had english language options even. BTW, I was 15 when I got my Saturn. No way could I pass up having Virtua Fighter in my bedroom.Haleon said:
The only times laungauge hurt really was with all those great RPGs (Grandia, Tengai Makyo Apocalypse, Black Matrix, etc).
I will admit that I REALLY wanted to get the Capcom switch fighters. I was so disappointed that the PSX couldn't swap out the characters, and I heard that the Saturn could get away with it somehow with some sort of included ROM cartridge or something. I never really looked into how that all worked though.jarrod said:Most of the good imports weren't really held back by a language barrier. Some (like all the Capcom fighters) had english language options even. BTW, I was 15 when I got my Saturn. No way could I pass up having Virtua Fighter in my bedroom.
The only times laungauge hurt really was with all those great RPGs (Grandia, Tengai Makyo Apocalypse, Black Matrix, etc).
I bought the Dreamcast solely for MvsC2, and I don't regret it. That was the last game that I truly took the time to "master."
Hmmm... I vastly prefer the GC to N64 - the third party support was much better, the system had more and better RPGs (come on even Baten Kaitos is better than the atrocity that was Quest 64!), and lots of the games were dogged with hideous framerates, more fog than the Poconos in the early morning, and extremely blurry textures. Out of all the N64 games, very few still hold up today - Mario 64, the Zeldas, and of course Sin and Punishment (one of the best games ever and still the only reason I keep that system around). It's probably my least favorite Nintendo system aside from Virtual Boy.
Saturn is an excellent system but it's really for the more devoted gamer. The ones who import, and/or have lots of money to throw around on expensive titles. Plus the majority of good games on the Saturn fall in the fighter/shooter/RPG category (my 3 favorite genres of games).
But GC vs the Xbox... that's a tough one. Both libraries have some stand out hits, though nothing quite on the level of the PS2. Although GC may have the edge for me since I love Smash Melee.
Saturn is an excellent system but it's really for the more devoted gamer. The ones who import, and/or have lots of money to throw around on expensive titles. Plus the majority of good games on the Saturn fall in the fighter/shooter/RPG category (my 3 favorite genres of games).
But GC vs the Xbox... that's a tough one. Both libraries have some stand out hits, though nothing quite on the level of the PS2. Although GC may have the edge for me since I love Smash Melee.
Haleon said:
I honestly didn't know where that fruity ass avatar came from. I assumed it was from some juvenile, rainbow sprouting, import RPG. Thanks for clearing that up.
Don't try and use my words buddy. You assumed I took the Saturn bashing personally, even though I mocked bashed it. Now you're crying because I assumed you took the Cube bashing personally? You don't like it when shit is assumed of you, but you've got no problem assuming shit about other people? Like me actually playing a import RPG? :lol That kinda makes you er, full of shit. Which you have every right to be mind you.
I laughed at your Saturn comment because I deem it to be laughable. I obviously think highly of the Saturn. That doesn't mean I want to kick your teeth down your throat for shitting on it. It's a machine, not my mother.
Notice that I laughed at Jarrod's comment regarding the Dreamcast. How did he take it? He shrugged it off and replied with thought (well, as much thought as you can have for disliking the Dreamcast). He knows what I'm like, and he knows what this board is like, so he knows there's nothing personal going on there. And we've disagreed about the Dreamcast before, so there's no reason for either one of us to get worked up.
Perhaps the concept is new to you, but when you lay out a strong opinion on an internet message board, you're probably gonna get a bit of heat for it. Doesn't mean people want to do a drive by on your house.
iapetus said:
:lol
Ponn01 said:
See I love PDS the game, but I gotta be real...it looks like shit. Nights looks even worse. Panzer Zwei now, that's one of the few games from that era that I can look at without wanting to throw up. There's a handful of games from those systems that do look decent (Jarrod listed some others), such as VF2, DOA and Decathlete It's a shame more Saturn games didn't use the mid or high resolution modes, but that's a topic for another day.
Haleon said:The fact that you're taking the time to explain message board etiquette shows me that you're taking this a bit more seriously than you have to. You seem to be the only one that's actually getting heated about this conversation.
WTF...I've been laughing the whole time! If I was heated, I'd be dropping more F bombs then Richard Pryor. That long-winded response (which it was) was just trying to explain where I'm coming from in this thread. The hell is up with you using my responses against me anyway.
Shit, you think this is heated? You should've seen me during the DC vs PS2 days. You did NOT want to get in my way then, son.
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Grug said:
:lol
I've seen that happen before. This kid in highschool, Tom, was your typical shy, dorky, introverted type of kid. People use to fuck with him all the time. One day I was walking down the hallway and I saw some fat kid pushing Tom from behind over and over and over again. Tom wasn't saying a word, he just ignored it. Finally the fat kid pushes once more, Tom dropped the backpack, turned around and BEAT THE SHIT out of the kid. It was one of the most savage fights I've ever seen. It was so awkward and unexpected that nobody in the halls was doing the typical "FIGHT! FIGHT!" bullshit that typically accompanies those things. Everyone was just watching Tom wail on this guy for a good 4 or 5 minutes with our mouths hanging open. When a teacher finally broke them up, the fat kid had blood all over his face and shirt and Tom was crying and shaking with rage. It. was. crazy.Grug said:
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M3wThr33 said:
I'm sorry I have to disagree with this. Saturn had a TON of great titles. Granted most didnt reach the US shores. But the Saturn was a kick ass machine.
Nights
X-men vs Street Fighter (Hell insert ANY Capcom fighter here. They were hacked on the other systems so those dont count.)
Last Bronx
Fighters Megamix
Panzer Dragoon Series
Burning Rangers
Dragon Force
... I could keep going.. just to further prove your ignorance..but I'll spare you the embarrassment.
saturn and pce are both kind of lame if you only consider domestically released games. bring japanese releases into the picture, though, and they're two of the best consoles ever, particularly if you like 2d shooters as much as i do.
xbox and n64 are similar in a way -- they don't have the breadth of content you see on a ps1 or an snes, but the great games are truly great. gamecube's "great" games are usually diminished successors to once-great n64 games. mikami's sony hate-on was probably the only thing between gamecube and total ignominy. that and monkey ball, anyway.
dreamcast's arcade ports still shine, and while i think neo geo was ruined by its dozens of indistinguishable 2d fighters, many of its action games and shooters are classics. i suppose those two are debatable. genesis isn't. genesis has dozens of games that retain their luster better than a decade on. gamecube will have nothing of the sort. gunstar heroes, shinobi III, rocket knight adventures, thunder force iv, musha...to go on would be gratuitous overkill.
the real question here is "3d0 or gamecube?" before you answer, remember that 3d0 had star control II and ssfII turbo, and that there are perfectly adequate ps2 versions of re4 and both viewtiful joes.
xbox and n64 are similar in a way -- they don't have the breadth of content you see on a ps1 or an snes, but the great games are truly great. gamecube's "great" games are usually diminished successors to once-great n64 games. mikami's sony hate-on was probably the only thing between gamecube and total ignominy. that and monkey ball, anyway.
dreamcast's arcade ports still shine, and while i think neo geo was ruined by its dozens of indistinguishable 2d fighters, many of its action games and shooters are classics. i suppose those two are debatable. genesis isn't. genesis has dozens of games that retain their luster better than a decade on. gamecube will have nothing of the sort. gunstar heroes, shinobi III, rocket knight adventures, thunder force iv, musha...to go on would be gratuitous overkill.
the real question here is "3d0 or gamecube?" before you answer, remember that 3d0 had star control II and ssfII turbo, and that there are perfectly adequate ps2 versions of re4 and both viewtiful joes.
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jarrod said:
I can't hang around even a group of casual gamers without someone talking about how much they loved their Dreamcast, but I've yet to hear someone praise the 3DO publicly, or even admit to ownership.
the 3d0 is like the gamecube if the gamecube cost $800 :x
i remember trying to convince my parents to buy me a 3d0 shortly after its launch. i went with the "but it's multifunctional and..and educational!" angle. i'm glad they weren't stupid enough that it worked.
i remember trying to convince my parents to buy me a 3d0 shortly after its launch. i went with the "but it's multifunctional and..and educational!" angle. i'm glad they weren't stupid enough that it worked.
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Grug said:
xbox barely came in second. the only way its not a failure is its crazy media perception.
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I have more Gamecube games (85, 91 if you count doubles--JP copies) than for any other system out of the 22 I have games for.
Partly that's due to me having more money than I used to, partly that's due to more games being made than once upon a time. And partly due to other stuff.
But that's still impressive considering there were 3 systems this generation instead of just 2.
For the record, my runner-up is the SNES, followed by PS2, PS1 and on down the line.
But yeah, the Gamecube kicked ass.
Partly that's due to me having more money than I used to, partly that's due to more games being made than once upon a time. And partly due to other stuff.
But that's still impressive considering there were 3 systems this generation instead of just 2.
For the record, my runner-up is the SNES, followed by PS2, PS1 and on down the line.
But yeah, the Gamecube kicked ass.
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nine words said:
Er...say what now? What about F-Zero? Burnout 2? Wave Race? Kirby Air R...ahem cough choke...nevermind.
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so basically this thread has turned into sympathetic Nintendo and Sega fans arguing back and forth between which of their most recent mediocre systems is better than their last mediocre systems?
Damn... this is kind of depressing...
how the giants have fallen. SNES vs. Genesis forever!
Damn... this is kind of depressing...
how the giants have fallen. SNES vs. Genesis forever!
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TheJollyCorner said:SNES vs. Genesis forever!
The SNES stomped all over the Genesis. Proof? SEGA and Nintendo have both been coasting on the glory of that golden age to some degree ever since. And look who's still standing.
...there. Happy now?
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I'd say the GCN had a lot of good ideas, but overall some of the ideas were flawed.
The GCN -> GBA cable thing is one, pretty much what Nintendo did had th ebetter idea. Zelda - Four Sword Adventures is a nice multiplayer game, the idea to hide in the Game Boy rooms, especially for deathmatch mode was amusing. Its just how much it costed, they just had the idea that the people all owned a GBA and would get a $10 cable. The $40 price for admission, the cable is a bit pricey, especially for $10, really that was the problem. Pac-Man VS. was also a nice multiplayer title but one flaw that was pointed out, that they only had multiplayer titles that utilized this connection well.
In case you didnt notice, I think they used this idea for the DS, just combine this idea where you have an alternate screen to stare at. I can see it now for Four Swords DS; The top screen is where it contains all 4 Links, and the bottoms creen when you go in somewhere scrolls only on your character.
The other idea I liked was the e-Reader, just that if only the unit itself wasnt so expensive. The idea to have collectable items or even levels on e-Reader cards was amusing. The NES games were okay, but since you can only have one program in memory, the NES cards were kind of limited. The items in Animal Crossing was a great idea, you'd scan a card and you get an item without having to bug other animals. Its a nerd kind of thing to where you can just buy up the cards and start a collection, and the cards will still have some kind of value to the owner instead of something you can just look at. Some of the card packs were priced appropriatley, but I know there was some that had ridiculous prices. Again, the DS doesnt use the e-Reader, so games like Animal Crossing DS dont utilize the idea. Which is irritating, the DS' GBA slot can have a GBA game interact with a DS title, but since the unit was a flop they blocked the e-Reader from being able to enter the GBA slot. Its dead. You could say that you could get an Action Replay to unlock levels, but some of the things like in Super Mario Advance 4, the levels are on the cards, you cant get an Action Replay to unlock them.
Really, its the cost of the items that made the GCN so unintersting. If the items were much cheaper then I guarentee you the success would be greater.
The GCN -> GBA cable thing is one, pretty much what Nintendo did had th ebetter idea. Zelda - Four Sword Adventures is a nice multiplayer game, the idea to hide in the Game Boy rooms, especially for deathmatch mode was amusing. Its just how much it costed, they just had the idea that the people all owned a GBA and would get a $10 cable. The $40 price for admission, the cable is a bit pricey, especially for $10, really that was the problem. Pac-Man VS. was also a nice multiplayer title but one flaw that was pointed out, that they only had multiplayer titles that utilized this connection well.
In case you didnt notice, I think they used this idea for the DS, just combine this idea where you have an alternate screen to stare at. I can see it now for Four Swords DS; The top screen is where it contains all 4 Links, and the bottoms creen when you go in somewhere scrolls only on your character.
The other idea I liked was the e-Reader, just that if only the unit itself wasnt so expensive. The idea to have collectable items or even levels on e-Reader cards was amusing. The NES games were okay, but since you can only have one program in memory, the NES cards were kind of limited. The items in Animal Crossing was a great idea, you'd scan a card and you get an item without having to bug other animals. Its a nerd kind of thing to where you can just buy up the cards and start a collection, and the cards will still have some kind of value to the owner instead of something you can just look at. Some of the card packs were priced appropriatley, but I know there was some that had ridiculous prices. Again, the DS doesnt use the e-Reader, so games like Animal Crossing DS dont utilize the idea. Which is irritating, the DS' GBA slot can have a GBA game interact with a DS title, but since the unit was a flop they blocked the e-Reader from being able to enter the GBA slot. Its dead. You could say that you could get an Action Replay to unlock levels, but some of the things like in Super Mario Advance 4, the levels are on the cards, you cant get an Action Replay to unlock them.
Really, its the cost of the items that made the GCN so unintersting. If the items were much cheaper then I guarentee you the success would be greater.
drohne said:saturn and pce are both kind of lame if you only consider domestically released games. bring japanese releases into the picture, though, and they're two of the best consoles ever, particularly if you like 2d shooters as much as i do.
But if import-games count, the Cube has Nintendo Puzzle Collection!
By "usually", you mean just Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker, right? Because I can't think of any other examples. Paper Mario 2? Smash Bros.? They're superior sequels in my book. Meanwhile, Zelda is getting another sequel. If that turns out to be better than OoT, the number of examples shrinks to 1.
BTW, the added breadth the Cube has over the N64 is an important reason for why I prefer the former.
While all fine games, I don't exactly see those titles pop up regularly on "the true greats of all time" lists, unless they're on Genesis boards.Not as often or high as the likes of Metroid Prime, anyway.
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Farmboy said:
Another big one you forgot is StarFox, which got two GC games, neither of which hold a candle to the greatness of Starfox 64.
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