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[Always-honest]

It'll look 10x better on PC.

No. It would have some better effects, textures a bit sharper and a higher resolution and probably at 60 fps. Now don't get me wrong, that would be awesome!!! But in no way would the game look 10x better.. (if it was ever to release on the PC).

 

[timmyp53]

Single HDR issue in one game = your justification for not having a PC.

Aiiight ��

I have a PC, ��

It wasn't my justification it was the obvious irony I was pointing out.

Just leaving this here for all those "easy to use and no hassle on console, just plug and play"



https://twitter.com/Sing2X/status/823814462599811072

I was just unpacking Deus Ex on PC for 30 mins so.... yeah. Lets make believe PC is perfect.

 

[timmyp53]

Double Post.

 

[madjoki]

>Too expensive. If I went full PC I'd stump for a powerful rig and I don't want to spend that kind of cash anytime soon. Graphics on PS4 and PS4 Pro are good enough for me anyway *shrug*

Why playing on PC would you need to play everything on PC?

You're clearly not refusing to game on PC.

 

[ReMaKe]

To me I always wanted to build a pc.; however,The idea of having to put all these components together when I can just buy a console and have it all done dissuaded me. I've always gamed on a Sony console, so all the Sony exclusives and lack of interest in pc or Xbox games also helped stay on a Sony console. Another big reason for me (albeit a stupid reason for a lot of other people) is trophies. I have so many trophies and platinums that it's made me attached to that platform. Whenever I can get a game I'll always want to get it on my PS4 due to the trophies. With all that being said, I finally did build my pc this week, have fully maxed it out with a 1080, i7, and a ultra wide from asus, so I'll definitely see what it is I have been missing out on all these years. Now to check what game should I play that will take advantage of this rig.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

I have a hard time accepting any answer but "exclusives". PC is better at absolutely everything, even price (high initial cost, low software cost). If you don't dig the games, then that's valid enough a reason of course.

 

[Tecnniqe]

I was just unpacking Deus Ex on PC for 30 mins so.... yeah. Lets make believe PC is perfect.

Yes. The fact that things like steams pre load DRM is shit at unpacking is the same as image above

To me I always wanted to build a pc.; however,The idea of having to put all these components together when I can just buy a console and have it all done dissuaded me. I've always gamed on a Sony console, so all the Sony exclusives and lack of interest in pc or Xbox games also helped stay on a Sony console. Another big reason for me (albeit a stupid reason for a lot of other people) is trophies. I have so many trophies and platinums that it's made me attached to that platform. Whenever I can get a game I'll always want to get it on my PS4 due to the trophies. With all that being said, I finally did build my pc this week, have fully maxed it out with a 1080, i7, and a ultra wide from asus, so I'll definitely see what it is I have been missing out on all these years. Now to check what game should I play that will take advantage of this rig.

Quantum Break and Gears of War

 

[Vipu]

I have a PC, ��

It wasn't my justification it was the obvious irony I was pointing out.



I was just unpacking Deus Ex on PC for 30 mins so.... yeah. Lets make believe PC is perfect.

I never said PC doesnt have unpacking or DL etc.
But mr console people seem to think consoles are power on and play while pc:s are download 20 drivers everytime before you can play.

 

[ULTROS!]

is "I don't want to game on PC" a legit excuse

 

[Tecnniqe]

is "I don't want to game on PC" a legit excuse

More legit than the ones saying you need to update your video driver firewall sound card software every time you start the computer.

 

[JordanN]

No. It would have some better effects, textures a bit sharper and a higher resolution and probably at 60 fps. Now don't get me wrong, that would be awesome!!! But in no way would the game look 10x better.. (if it was ever to release on the PC).

Pretty much. When I hear "10x" I'm expecting something that looks close to CGI. Because that's basically a gen leap.

But even the best looking games on PC don't even look like Avatar yet (2009).

 

[GamerMax73]

Automatic is better for city and queue driving no doubt but if you might want to go off-road, drive under less than ideal conditions etc manual gives more control to the vehicle as a whole.

See, I hate to say I told you so....I don't want more control!!!!!!!!! Haven't Google got them there driverless cars working yet?

lol.

 

[mokalovesoulmate]

Personal preference

 

[stargateheaven]

Too much crap to wade through.

Dont care about graphics

Exclusives

 

[GamerMax73]

Just leaving this here for all those "easy to use and no hassle on console, just plug and play"

Meh,

I'm not one of those to needlessly deny problems exist on console. But then, I'm not trying to convince myself PC is a seamless experience either.

To my mind that's a background task that starst by itself automatically. Usually overnight. It's just a minor annoyance when it happens at the exact moment you want to play a game - usually a day 1 patch, or the first time you play a new game.

I grew up in the Spectrum - spend 5 minutes loading from tape, rewind and try again at a different volume setting - era. So I know when to go and make a cup of tea!

 

[ULTROS!]

More legit than the ones saying you need to update your video driver firewall sound card software every time you start the computer.

I don't think I have that problem anyway since I only play retro King's Quest/PnC games and The Sims 1 in my laptop. I transferred my Rollercoaster Tycoon playing to my iPad though.

I guess that kinda makes me kinda a PC gamer maybe.

 

[GamerMax73]

For me it's simply my personal experience that I truly wish for others, that's really it. I mean think about it, we all love big, flashy, pretty, looking movies, games etc... Even tho some people will say they don't care about graphics, but there's always that little part of everyone I believe that gets excited for awesome looking games. I think while sure maybe some favor gameplay over graphics, they still love to see gorgeous looking games. Nobody wants to see an ugly game, or movie etc... It's why everything gradually looks better and better because people love that stuff.

So with that said I take my own experiences and just find it to be a very fun and awesome thing, and I feel some limit themselves due to believing certain misconceptions, that's all.

I do admit that maybe for some it's daunting, for me I been building and Pc gaming and learning since the late 80s, so it's second nature... And I forget how some weren't in that boat..

But, but I say that when people are giving lists of reasons as to what they feel is wrong with Pc gaming they don't realize how just stopping and learning, and understanding it all makes any type of issue fairly trivial.

Pc gaming isn't like a console, but once you learn and understand what might cause what, it can feel a lot closer because it's something you know, understand and know how to work with.

So my point is it seems a lot dismiss Pc gaming for all these reasons, when I feel they're just sort of underestimating their own selves a bit. Because it doesn't take any type of genius to run and learn how this stuff works, the pay off is just really worth it and then not only are they gaming but they are seeing games pop in ways they never seen before all with just a little time investment to understand the ins and outs

I love this reply. Thank you. Much respect!

If I'm being honest, I'd say I am slightly envious of the visual a top end PC can push. I'm aware it's one of the compromise I'm paying for the convenience factor. I'm happy to wait until I can afford to be blown away by a PS4Pro on a 4K HDR set. Admittedly, I could probably build an enviable spec PC for the price of those two together. We pays our money...

 

[professor denim]

Grow up with the Nes/Arcades. I love consoles/toys.
Spend most of my time on a computer everyday, still see it solely as a working tool. The only thing i play on it is Valve stuff and Shmups on Mame. Thats about it.

 

[ReMaKe]

Yes. The fact that things like steams pre load DRM is shit at unpacking is the same as image above

Quantum Break and Gears of War

Actually got gears of war 4 free with the purchase of my gtx 1080. Haven't played it yet though. Considering it's part 4, would I be completely lost?

 

[eso76]

Just the fact my PC is (besides not equipped with a capable GPU, but that's easily fixed) in my studio, where i do have a comfy couch but it's too far from the small-ish screen, and my gaming setup with proper 52" and 5.1 sound is in a different room.

I also don't feel comfortable installing games on the machine i use for work, but i guess that's just my problem.

In short, I use a PC for work, which means it sits in a working environment (desk, chair etc) that isn't comfortable for gaming, besides the occasional arcades-of-my-youth revival on Mame (even those, i don't really play; more like watch them run for a few minutes before loading the next memory).
And the other way round is also true, obviously: gaming environment isn't comfortable for working and I could never have a PC dedicated to just gaming because it would feel like a huge waste.

If there was a way to easily stream video to the other room maybe I would; consoles have hopelessly lost their ease of use advantage anyway.

 

[boneyjangles]

I have a hard time accepting any answer but "exclusives". PC is better at absolutely everything, even price (high initial cost, low software cost). If you don't dig the games, then that's valid enough a reason of course.

So I guess the myriad of valid reasons fleshed out numerous times in this thread we all one big fat waste of time.

 

[madjoki]

I have a hard time accepting any answer but "exclusives". PC is better at absolutely everything, even price (high initial cost, low software cost). If you don't dig the games, then that's valid enough a reason of course.

High initial price is very valid reason to prefer consoles.
Especially of you want better then consoles, or you live outside US, PC can be much more expensive. (PC is at it's best at "premium" system)

If you go with low end PCs, you will have problems and need to tweak settings and compromise on FPS / resolution.

Yes. The fact that things like steams pre load DRM is shit at unpacking is the same as image above

It comes more down to HDD speeds, as you need constantly read/write from same drive.
Same protection is actually used when downloading regular files, but it's decrypted before it is written, so performance drop from read-write doesn't come to play.

(With SSD problem maybe Steam, not sure if it does multithreaded decrypting.)

Valve should totally implement option to have different preload than install drive

 

[ffvorax]

Just leaving this here for all those "easy to use and no hassle on console, just plug and play"



https://twitter.com/Sing2X/status/823814462599811072

Well you can play without patch, also you can usually play before it install all the game... and after the first install, patched are automatically downloaded and installed when the console is in "rest mode", ready to play when you get back home... these features I think are only on console (PS4 maybe)... also with rest mode you can shutdown your ps4 and go back to the game in seconds from where you were, and that's another unique feature... and if you have a VITA you can also remote play from anywhere in your home.. .on couch, on bed, or where your signal wifi is good enough for remote play...

I think there are A LOT of benefits nowadays.

I'm not saying PC is all bad, I'm just listing what makes PS better for me that doesnt' exist on pc. For example most pc gamers talk about MODS... even when I played on pc I never really cared about MODS, but I understand it can be a game changing and a nice feature that even on xbox, where these can be used, it will be always more free on pc.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

I love this reply. Thank you. Much respect!

If I'm being honest, I'd say I am slightly envious of the visual a top end PC can push. I'm aware it's one of the compromise I'm paying for the convenience factor. I'm happy to wait until I can afford to be blown away by a PS4Pro on a 4K HDR set. Admittedly, I could probably build an enviable spec PC for the price of those two together. We pays our money...

Yea, I'll be the first to admit that consoles are making a nice push to be a few step closer to what a Pc can do

https://flic.kr/p/Qtg5sr

There's uncharted 4 via pro on my projector, and as a Pc gamer I'll gladly say how damn good that looks, and they're only going to continue to get better.

All of this is just conversation for me. I know people might read it in a negative light but you'll come to see that I'm a love games first type of guy. Sure I might ask why some pass on Pc gaming but ultimately Hey, people can play what they want to play on and I'm fine with it. I love Pc, console and handhelds alike so it's all good in my book. I just sometimes feel Pc gaming needs a little defense when there are misconceptions.

 

[timmyp53]

I never said PC doesnt have unpacking or DL etc.
But mr console people seem to think consoles are power on and play while pc:s are download 20 drivers everytime before you can play.

In regards to updates and installs for the games themselves consoles and pc are basically the same.

This whole plug and play and comfy couch stuff is not what turns me off from playing on my PC more.

.. Its basically my OCD.

When I'm on pc there are too many variables and things I have to do manually. And by manually I mean I have to look some weird issue up like why am I getting this weird microstutter even though I'm rocking out at max 60fps. All the time fiddling around with options,mouse accelration, borderless windows, trying to figure out if triple buffering/vsync is enabled correctly in nvidia or there is some conflict within the games settings. Too many things can go wrong on pc and it takes too much time away from what i came to do... game.

It's a first world problem for sure but I don't see myself getting any othr parts for my pc after I got my 480 last year. I woudn't say pc gaming is cumbersome. You just have to know what your doing and invest way more than should be necessary.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Actually got gears of war 4 free with the purchase of my gtx 1080. Haven't played it yet though. Considering it's part 4, would I be completely lost?

It's a "new" story but with some ties to the previous games.

You can simply watch a TLDR on YouTube of the previous games and be all good.

 

[Vipu]

Well you can play without patch, also you can usually play before it install all the game... and after the first install, patched are automatically downloaded and installed when the console is in "rest mode", ready to play when you get back home... these features I think are only on console (PS4 maybe)...

These work like that on pc too, at least in steam, origin, etc

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

In regards to updates and installs for the games themselves consoles and pc are basically the same.

This whole plug and play and comfy couch stuff is not what turns me off from playing on my PC more.

.. Its basically my OCD.

When I'm on pc there are too many variables and things I have to do manually. And by manually I mean I have to look some weird issue up like why am I getting this weird microstutter even though I'm rocking out at max 60fps. All the time fiddling around with options,mouse accelration, borderless windows, trying to figure out if triple buffering/vsync is enabled correctly in nvidia or there is some conflict within the games settings. Too many things can go wrong on pc and it takes too much time away from what i came to do... game.

It's a first world problem for sure but I don't see myself getting any othr parts for my pc after I got my 480 last year. I woudn't say pc gaming is cumbersome. You just have to know what your doing and invest way more than should be necessary.

See for me these are the replies that just are trying to hard to convince us why you dont, and it's fine if you don't want to Pc game but I'd just rather you say it's not my bag.

Because you're stringing together a handful of issues that any normal functioning Pc is not going to experience. Like microstutter, that's almost solely an sli issue and even then a lot of microstuttering has been fixed with newer cards. But most aren't running sli so that type of stuttering is a non issue.

Fiddling around with mouse acceleration? Do you realize how silly that sounds? I mean come on I'm not trying to be a dick, messing with borderless windows?

It's just beyond my words to really explain how all of that is just fluff with no merit, because none of that prevents anyone from Pc gaming.

Like I said you can prefer to pass, that's a lot better than tryin to jam all kinds of reasons together to make it sound like such a hassle

 

[SmokedMeat]

To me I always wanted to build a pc.; however,The idea of having to put all these components together when I can just buy a console and have it all done dissuaded me. I've always gamed on a Sony console, so all the Sony exclusives and lack of interest in pc or Xbox games also helped stay on a Sony console. Another big reason for me (albeit a stupid reason for a lot of other people) is trophies. I have so many trophies and platinums that it's made me attached to that platform. Whenever I can get a game I'll always want to get it on my PS4 due to the trophies. With all that being said, I finally did build my pc this week, have fully maxed it out with a 1080, i7, and a ultra wide from asus, so I'll definitely see what it is I have been missing out on all these years. Now to check what game should I play that will take advantage of this rig.

Holy shit dude! For someone who sounds so unsure about PC gaming and reluctant to leave those little trophies behind, you sure went all in on a monster rig.

What should you play? Your rig will put console versions to shame, so whatever you damn well please is the answer. But while you want to test your machine out with some eye candy, the real beauty is that it's going to play whatever you throw at it beautifully.

 

[JusDoIt]

Windows, the initial cost of building a decent rig, the fear of enabling my graphics whoreishness.

 

[timmyp53]

See for me these are the replies that just are trying to hard to convince us why you dont,

Because you're stringing together a handful of issues that any normal functioning Pc is not going to experience. Like microstutter, that's almost solely an sli issue and even then a lot of microstuttering has been fixed with newer cards. But most aren't running sli so that type of stuttering is a non issue.

Fiddling around with mouse acceleration? Do you realize how silly that sounds? I mean come on I'm not trying to be a dick, messing with borderless windows?

Like I said you can prefer to pass, that's a lot better than tryin to jam all kinds of reasons together to make it sound like such a hassle

Lol read the thread title. I'm not trying to convince you. I thought thats why were here- to disuss reasons...

Mouse acceleration issues is something that happens even on brand new games and has nothing to do with the platform but the implementation.

Yes I mentioned borderless windows. How is wanting to alt tab out of certain games seamlessly not something I should be able to do easily on a pc.

Why are you so dismissive of other peoples first hand experiences?

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Lol read the thread title. I'm not trying to convince you. I thought thats why were here- to disuss reasons...

Mouse acceleration issues is something that happens even on brand new games and has nothing to do with the platform but the implementation.

Yes I mentioned borderless windows. How is wanting to alt tab out of certain games seamlessly not something I should be able to do easily on a pc.

Why are you so dismissive of other peoples first hand experiences?

Yea, we're discussing reasons and my opinion is simply put that some of the listed reasons as negatives to Pc gaming, regardless of who posts it, just seems a little bit of a reach. That's just my opinion.

 

[thunder_snail]

Fiddling around with mouse acceleration? Do you realize how silly that sounds? I mean come on I'm not trying to be a dick, messing with borderless windows?

Dude, mouse acceleration is very, very important when it comes to gaming on a PC. Also borderless windows is a must for a lot of people. It's important enough that there are many external tools that forces games to run in borderless windows.

 

[Vipu]

Dude, mouse acceleration is very, very important when it comes to gaming on a PC. Also borderless windows is a must for a lot of people. It's important enough that there are many external tools that forces games to run in borderless windows.

I thought it was about being as simple and as plug and play as possible, now its going to about having good multitasking and fiddling again?

 

[Evolution of Metal]

So I guess the myriad of valid reasons fleshed out numerous times in this thread we all one big fat waste of time.

Don't bother man. Nobody even acknowledges half of the valid reasons in here, but everyone is trigger happy to dogpile whenever someone suggests a silly idea.

Cheaters, dead communities for AAA games (Titanfall 4000 players on the weekend, For Honor is probably going to be even worse), problematic AAA launches (BF1 still crashing on 770/680s), can't sell games, can't borrow games without going against TOS account sharing, Japanese games.

Doesn't matter how many good reasons there are to own a PC if people don't care about them. Graphics or a variety of games does nothing to compensate the fact that some people just want to play Uncharted or Final Fantasy.

Good luck troubleshooting anything in languages other than English. You have to be fluent in English (at the very least a major language German/Spanish/Russian), otherwise any issue is going to be really hard to solve.

PC is the right choice for me, but half of the pro-PC comments in here just want to beat on their chest shouting that PC is the best platform for everyone.

 

[timmyp53]

I thought it was about being as simple and as plug and play as possible, now its going to about having good multitasking and fiddling again?

A central part of gaming to me and has been for millions for years is accessing a web browser for guides so yes.

 

[ReMaKe]

Holy shit dude! For someone who sounds so unsure about PC gaming and reluctant to leave those little trophies behind, you sure went all in on a monster rig.

What should you play? Your rig will put console versions to shame, so whatever you damn well please is the answer. But while you want to test your machine out with some eye candy, the real beauty is that it's going to play whatever you throw at it beautifully.

Haha! Well I like editing videos as a hobby, and want to get more into it which affected my rig a bit, and I'm a majoring in computer science, and find the extra space in the monitor wonderful.

Looking forward to seeing how battlefield 1, and forza look on it.

 

[Weltall Zero]

Oh dont get me wrong i know that to beat console specs you dont need to spend that much but if i am going to build my own pc im going to want to do it right and not skimp on things that i might regret later on.

So while i can get a PC that is better than a console it still means spending more money than i would on a console

That is the weirdest logic. "I'm hungry and want to buy a donut, but I might get hungry later so I better buy two donuts, but I don't have money for two donuts so I better stay hungry". That aside, buying the very top of the line components is terrible money investment, because PCs break down, same as consoles, and with the current slowing down of tech improvement, even regular range PCs have a high chance of failing from constant use before they become obsolete ten years later.

It makes infinitely more sense to get a $500 PC now, then in ten years if it still works, even if it's obsolete for gaming, you still have a great machine for a multitude of other uses, and can get another $500 PC which will be a) brand new with a guarantee, b) better than a $1000 PC ten years ago, and c) much more power efficient than any $1000 PC.

and having to deal with potential issues that i wont with consoles. I have seen friends go the PC route and every single one has either had problems with parts, drivers, optimisation etc. and for me i would much rather buy a console, plug it in, hook it up to the internet and then let it do everything it needs to without any further input from me again.

The only real things i miss by not going PC is some exclusives but to be fair i dont have enough time to juggle all the console games i have let alone adding another platform

That, on the other hand, is a perfectly valid concern and reason to go with consoles. Which is why consoles becoming ever-increasingly like PCs with broken launches, mandatory installs and so on is so shitty. :/

 

[Chrisdk]

It's probably been said before but i have to use a mouse when i'm at work and too much of that is putting a serious strain on my hand and wrist. So it's much better for my health to play with a gamepad and it's just easier for me to go with consoles.

Yes i could probably set a PC up to work with a gamepad, but i don't really think it's worth the hassle when it's already working 100% with a console. Also playing against M+K players online is just not fun with a controller.

I play a few PC exclusives now and then, but otherwise i'm a console player.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

It's probably been said before but i have to use a mouse when i'm at work and too much of that is putting a serious strain on my hand and wrist. So it's much better for my health to play with a gamepad and it's just easier for me to go with consoles.

Yes i could probably set a PC up to work with a gamepad, but i don't really think it's worth the hassle when it's already working 100% with a console. Also playing against M+K players online is just not fun with a controller.

I play a few PC exclusives now and then, but otherwise i'm a console player.

I'll make a video if youd like, you simply plug it in the USB port and you're done, that is all you do. It is so smooth and simple anymore to plug in a controller. No more mapping buttons, nothing. Just plug and play

 

[SeeNoWeevil]

This particular topic really rubs me up the wrong way for several reasons.

Firstly, if you only game on a PC sat at a desk and don't own a console, why are you even in the conversation? Secondly, quit making PC gamers look like desperate salesmen trying to get everyone on their 'team'. It's embarrassing.

Even though the majority of my game time is on a livingroom PC, it absolutely blows my mind that people still don't understand why a bunch of people don't want a Windows PC + mouse and keyboard in their livingroom. People know what a Windows PC is, how big they generally are, roughly how much it costs and what the foibles are. They also know what a wireless keyboard and mouse are. If you can't see why someone doesn't want this, I don't know what to tell you.

It's like owning a performance car that's expensive to run, noisy, impractical and uncomfortable and then being confused/irate with people who choose to own regular cars.

By all means extol the virtues of the platform; openness, upgradability, multiple storefronts, choice of controllers etc. But don't then try and convince others these all don't come with inherent drawbacks. It's dishonest.

You want upgradability, you put up with tuning your games to run correctly.

You want openess, you put up with incompatability problems, having to use Windows, no integrated share option or updates in sleep mode etc. (and no, I'm not going to mention drivers, they really aren't a big deal)

You want competition in game sales, you put up with launching games in different launchers, multiple friends lists/chat and having a mouse/keyboard on your coffeetable (I love how the open PC platform is suddenly limited to Steam and Big Picture Mode when someone is trying to argue PCs are as convenient. BPM is a load of crap, also.)

You want to use a different controller, you put up with confusing button prompts, having to re-bind all the keys and mouse players kicking your controller using ass in multiplayer.

etc. etc.

Even ignoring all of that. You still have the big issue of exclusives. The amount of good PC exclusives that are playable on a controller/TV can be counted on one hand, and that's being generous. If it's good and it plays well on a TV, it will come to consoles. PC gaming will never be as cheap or convenient as console gaming, it's not possible unless it changes all the things that make it what it is in the first place; and people don't want that.

 

[thunder_snail]

I thought it was about being as simple and as plug and play as possible, now its going to about having good multitasking and fiddling again?

What are you talking about? multitasking and fiddling is a major part of PC gaming. Would you rather have a game where you can't change graphical settings?

 

[bman94]

I'll make a video if youd like, you simply plug it in the USB port and you're done, that is all you do.

Not necessarily. I like to use my Street Fighter IV Xbox 360 fightpad controller since it's basically a Sega Saturn controller so it makes it perfect for classic games. Or so I thought. One of the trigger buttons of the Xbox 360 controller is one the face buttons. But the computer still treats it as a analog button. So certain games like Sega Genesis Collectiom plains just straight doesn't read the button as a button. So the perfect 6 button layout, doesnt work always as intended. Which means I would have to buy another controller to do what that controller should do.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

This particular topic really rubs me up the wrong way for several reasons.

Firstly, if you only game on a PC sat at a desk and don't own a console, why are you even in the conversation? Secondly, quit making PC gamers look like desperate salesmen trying to get everyone on their 'team'. It's embarrassing.

Even though the majority of my game time is on a livingroom PC, it absolutely blows my mind that people still don't understand why a bunch of people don't want a Windows PC + mouse and keyboard in their livingroom. People know what a Windows PC is, how big they generally are, roughly how much it costs and what the foibles are. They also know what a wireless keyboard and mouse are. If you can't see why someone doesn't want this, I don't know what to tell you.

It's like owning a performance car that's expensive to run, noisy, impractical and uncomfortable and then being confused/irate with people who choose to own regular cars.

By all means extol the virtues of the platform; openness, upgradability, multiple storefronts, choice of controllers etc. But don't then try and convince others these all don't come with inherent drawbacks. It's dishonest.

You want upgradability, you put up with tuning your games to run correctly.

You want openess, you put up with incompatability problems, having to use Windows, no integrated share option or updates in sleep mode etc. (and no, I'm not going to mention drivers, they really aren't a big deal)

You want competition in game sales, you put up with launching games in different launchers, multiple friends lists/chat and having a mouse/keyboard on your coffeetable (I love how the open PC platform is suddenly limited to Steam and Big Picture Mode when someone is trying to argue PCs are as convenient. BPM is a load of crap, also.)

You want to use a different controller, you put up with confusing button prompts, having to re-bind all the keys and mouse players kicking your controller using ass in multiplayer.

etc. etc.

Even ignoring all of that. You still have the big issue of exclusives. The amount of good PC exclusives that are playable on a controller/TV can be counted on one hand, and that's being generous. If it's good and it plays well on a TV, it will come to consoles. PC gaming will never be as cheap or convenient as console gaming, it's not possible unless it changes all the things that make it what it is in the first place; and people don't want that.

 

[……forgetit]

Just leaving this here for all those "easy to use and no hassle on console, just plug and play"



https://twitter.com/Sing2X/status/823814462599811072

Updates aren't a big deal, PC is way more complex. You never have to fiddle with driver issues, trouble shoot windows breaking something, worry about controllers working, ect.

 

[Bumhead]

dead communities for AAA games (Titanfall 4000 players on the weekend, For Honor is probably going to be even worse)

This is a strange comment especially.

PC is the system for preserving multiplayer communities, even after official support ends.

I guess it comes down to what your definition of "dead" is. I'd say 4000 active players is a lot less dead than, ya know, physically not being able to connect to a server ever again because a publisher or manufacturer opted to shut it down.

 

[petran79]

Even though the majority of my game time is on a livingroom PC, it absolutely blows my mind that people still don't understand why a bunch of people don't want a Windows PC + mouse and keyboard in their livingroom. People know what a Windows PC is, how big they generally are, roughly how much it costs and what the foibles are. They also know what a wireless keyboard and mouse are. If you can't see why someone doesn't want this, I don't know what to tell you.

Isnt a keyboard mandatory on consoles as well?
Text chatting via gamepad in this day and age...

 

[……forgetit]

Isnt a keyboard mandatory on consoles as well?
Text chatting via gamepad in this day and age...

What? No? I've literally never used text chat on a console.

 

[Stromlord]

This particular topic really rubs me up the wrong way for several reasons.

Firstly, if you only game on a PC sat at a desk and don't own a console, why are you even in the conversation? Secondly, quit making PC gamers look like desperate salesmen trying to get everyone on their 'team'. It's embarrassing.

Even though the majority of my game time is on a livingroom PC, it absolutely blows my mind that people still don't understand why a bunch of people don't want a Windows PC + mouse and keyboard in their livingroom. People know what a Windows PC is, how big they generally are, roughly how much it costs and what the foibles are. They also know what a wireless keyboard and mouse are. If you can't see why someone doesn't want this, I don't know what to tell you.

It's like owning a performance car that's expensive to run, noisy, impractical and uncomfortable and then being confused/irate with people who choose to own regular cars.

By all means extol the virtues of the platform; openness, upgradability, multiple storefronts, choice of controllers etc. But don't then try and convince others these all don't come with inherent drawbacks. It's dishonest.

You want upgradability, you put up with tuning your games to run correctly.

You want openess, you put up with incompatability problems, having to use Windows, no integrated share option or updates in sleep mode etc. (and no, I'm not going to mention drivers, they really aren't a big deal)

You want competition in game sales, you put up with launching games in different launchers, multiple friends lists/chat and having a mouse/keyboard on your coffeetable (I love how the open PC platform is suddenly limited to Steam and Big Picture Mode when someone is trying to argue PCs are as convenient. BPM is a load of crap, also.)

You want to use a different controller, you put up with confusing button prompts, having to re-bind all the keys and mouse players kicking your controller using ass in multiplayer.

etc. etc.

Even ignoring all of that. You still have the big issue of exclusives. The amount of good PC exclusives that are playable on a controller/TV can be counted on one hand, and that's being generous. If it's good and it plays well on a TV, it will come to consoles. PC gaming will never be as cheap or convenient as console gaming, it's not possible unless it changes all the things that make it what it is in the first place; and people don't want that.

10/10 satire

 

[Evolution of Metal]

This is a strange comment especially.

PC is the system for preserving multiplayer communities, even after official support ends.

I guess it comes down to what your definition of "dead" is. I'd say 4000 active players is a lot less dead than, ya know, physically not being able to connect to a server ever again because a publisher or manufacturer opted to shut it down.

I suppose I should use abandoned instead of dead. It is dead competition wise. You cannot build a good matchmaking experience from a small pool of players.

4000 on the prime time on the weekend is not a good number. If I tried playing Titanfall 2 during the morning or night of the work day, then the matchmaking is going to have a problem finding 12 players actively searching for a game in my region.

The same thing is going to happen with For Honor unless it is a breakout hit. A competitive game requires a large sample of players to build even teams, otherwise pitting experienced and noob players together is just a boring experience for everyone in the match.

I really don't care about playing online games after the console generation ends, I want the best possible experience while the game is relevant. I hope that Dawn of War 3 is going to be able to carry the legacy of CoH2 because that game is on its last legs. I am top 20 and the queue times are unacceptable even during the prime time.